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  83. # [02:38] <sunbeam> Hi, I'm creating a responsive site, and basically need to reset all basic styles i have set before I start the mobile version with - @media only screen and (min-device-width : 320px) and (max-device-width : 600px) {}
  84. # [02:38] <sunbeam> how can I best do this?
  85. # [02:40] <Moo^_^> sunbeam: you want reset.css?
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  88. # [02:41] <Moo^_^> here is one example https://github.com/plone/plonetheme.sunburst/blob/master/plonetheme/sunburst/skins/sunburst_styles/public.css
  89. # [02:42] <sunbeam> Yea but then I would separately use that for mobile devices that's not what i'm looking for
  90. # [02:42] <Moo^_^> of course in your case it would not work, as more important CSS rule override less accurate one
  91. # [02:46] <sunbeam> yes
  92. # [02:47] <sunbeam> but conditional stylesheets based on screen width
  93. # [02:47] <sunbeam> is that bad?
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  95. # [02:49] <mike00> looking to do pinch/zoom only in a canvas doe a mobile page, kinda like google maps embed - what should I look into to do this?
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  98. # [02:53] <Moo^_^> mike00: touch events
  99. # [02:54] <Moo^_^> mike00: http://stackoverflow.com/a/9789074/315168
  100. # [02:55] <mike00> so only apple will be reliable?
  101. # [02:55] <Moo^_^> mobile target audience is fragmented
  102. # [02:55] <Moo^_^> it depends what are you doing, why and for what audience
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  147. # [04:56] <htmlguy> anyone know of a good app store for cross-platform html5 apps?
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  155. # [05:25] <otherj> hey guys, is it possible to make a gradient that appears to have multiple light sources like this: http://i.imgur.com/LtG9j.png ? I even tried multiple gradients and it didn't turn out (#css is pretty much dead-thought you guys might know)
  156. # [05:26] <htmlguy> otherj, yes
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  158. # [05:27] <htmlguy> the technique is to have one base gradient where all color stops are at 100% opacity
  159. # [05:27] <htmlguy> and then have other gradients where most of the color stops are at 0% opacity, except for one
  160. # [05:28] <otherj> hm
  161. # [05:28] <otherj> i don't suppose you have any examples? i don't quite grasp how to make that work
  162. # [05:28] <htmlguy> sure, drafting one up now
  163. # [05:29] <otherj> you're one hell of a guy
  164. # [05:29] <htmlguy> are you using chrome tonight?
  165. # [05:29] <otherj> i'm using chrome every night sir
  166. # [05:29] <htmlguy> i just want to target whatever browser you're in
  167. # [05:29] <htmlguy> fabulous
  168. # [05:29] <htmlguy> are you familiar with this tool btw? http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/
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  170. # [05:30] <otherj> i suppose i am now
  171. # [05:31] <otherj> hm
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  174. # [05:34] <otherj> man, all of these browser extensions are pretty suboptimal
  175. # [05:34] <htmlguy> so this case is actually somewhat extra simple in that it can be done with a single gradient like this: http://jsfiddle.net/RgcLQ/
  176. # [05:34] <otherj> oh, i mean prefixes
  177. # [05:34] <htmlguy> yeah :S prefixes kinda bite
  178. # [05:34] <otherj> neat htmlguy!
  179. # [05:35] <otherj> thanks !
  180. # [05:35] <htmlguy> no sweat
  181. # [05:35] <otherj> ooh, i see
  182. # [05:35] <otherj> i think i was using the % incorrectly
  183. # [05:36] <otherj> gotta be honest-replacing graphics with css3 kinda gets me off
  184. # [05:36] <otherj> in a totally normal non-creepy way
  185. # [05:37] <htmlguy> lol
  186. # [05:37] <otherj> ich war so sehr dabei ;o)
  187. # [05:37] <htmlguy> it's got a lot of plusses... the prefixes are a big minus
  188. # [05:37] <otherj> yeah
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  190. # [05:38] <otherj> unfortunately my understanding is that ie9 doesn't support a lot of gradient stuff
  191. # [05:40] <htmlguy> ie9 doesnt support any of the css3 gradients at all... but you can get gradients with IE specific code, which is generated for you by the css gradient generator
  192. # [05:40] <otherj> svg right?
  193. # [05:40] <otherj> i'll have to try sticking this in there and see what it can do
  194. # [05:40] <otherj> this situation definitely requires a doors song
  195. # [05:40] <todd_dsm> hey guys, can we do css questions in here?
  196. # [05:41] <htmlguy> might as well unless someone tells us otherwise
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  198. # [05:42] <otherj> htmlguy, a liter of beer is yours any time you come to berlin
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  200. # [05:42] <htmlguy> thanks otherj :)
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  202. # [05:44] <todd_dsm> I've got an @font-face problem: 4 fonts, 2 work and 2 refuse to work: http://pastebin.com/LftW5P7c
  203. # [05:45] <todd_dsm> I've been experimenting with single/double quotes, and other stuff for a while now. It's killing me.
  204. # [05:45] <otherj> pastebin :(
  205. # [05:46] <todd_dsm> what do we like in the html5 channel. I don't have to use pastebin.
  206. # [05:46] <otherj> nah, i'm just joshing you
  207. # [05:46] <otherj> although i do think gist or pastie are better
  208. # [05:46] <htmlguy> i dont see anything wrong with that code per-say... but is there a url we can look at to try it out ourselves?
  209. # [05:46] <todd_dsm> seriously, I'm always open to better, cleaner, more efficient.
  210. # [05:47] <todd_dsm> uhhh, I could in about 2 minutes. This is just on my workstation.
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  212. # [05:53] <todd_dsm> it should now be accessible: http://www.ptest.us
  213. # [05:53] <todd_dsm> but I need to check it via proxy.
  214. # [05:55] <todd_dsm> can you see it?
  215. # [05:55] <todd_dsm> htmlguy: ^^ ^^ ?
  216. # [05:55] <otherj> dns error for me
  217. # [05:55] <todd_dsm> crap
  218. # [05:56] <htmlguy> i see an apache test page
  219. # [05:56] <htmlguy> with a 403 error
  220. # [05:57] <todd_dsm> right, I though I had my vhosts working.
  221. # [05:57] <todd_dsm> shiza
  222. # [05:57] <todd_dsm> can anyone suggest a good proxy site?
  223. # [05:57] <todd_dsm> I need to do some quick admin work.
  224. # [05:58] <todd_dsm> lol, htmlguy, how did you get both, the page and the error?
  225. # [05:58] <htmlguy> errors can be accompanied by a document that can give more information about the error
  226. # [05:59] <htmlguy> think of those cool custom 404 pages you've seen around the web
  227. # [05:59] <todd_dsm> I get ya - but internally, it's coming right up.
  228. # [05:59] <htmlguy> the HTTP status code is 404 File not found... but there is a document accompanying it that has graphics and other supplementarly information
  229. # [05:59] <htmlguy> ok
  230. # [06:00] <todd_dsm> I need a proxy so I can see what you're seeing. do you know of a good proxy?
  231. # [06:00] <htmlguy> sorry, no
  232. # [06:01] <todd_dsm> roger that; should just take a sec...
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  239. # [06:18] <todd_dsm> htmlguy/otherj: can you hear me now? http://www.ptest.us
  240. # [06:19] <htmlguy> yep ok let me debug
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  251. # [06:34] <todd_dsm> htmlguy: are you seeing anything?
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  256. # [06:45] <todd_dsm> ahhhh- ya got me, good one
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  263. # [07:05] <htmlguy> todd_dsm, sorry i got pulled away and will probably get pulled away again
  264. # [07:05] <todd_dsm> dude, it's totally cool. its late anyway.
  265. # [07:06] <todd_dsm> are you at work?
  266. # [07:06] <htmlguy> no, at home. family stuff. kid stuff
  267. # [07:07] <todd_dsm> anyway, this is a learning project for me. not a big deal at all. I could push this back till tomorrow afternoon.
  268. # [07:07] <todd_dsm> kid stuff is important
  269. # [07:08] <todd_dsm> I swear though, I though you were watching seinfeld with a pb&j, :)
  270. # [07:09] <otherj> like anything can be made wrong to that
  271. # [07:10] <otherj> todd_dsm, i would look more but it's 7am here
  272. # [07:10] <otherj> i should sleep at least a few hours
  273. # [07:11] <todd_dsm> where are you ?
  274. # [07:11] <otherj> berlin
  275. # [07:11] <todd_dsm> daym, get some sleep brother.
  276. # [07:11] <todd_dsm> I'll hit this again tomorrow.
  277. # [07:11] <otherj> cheers to you
  278. # [07:11] <todd_dsm> thanks again.
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  297. # [08:07] <fruitFly> is there somewhere that explains different techniques for structuring elements within the page? in particular element sizes relative to other elements: div techniques, other techniques, pixels, percentages, etc.
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  303. # [08:24] <zettam> Hello channel
  304. # [08:24] <zettam> I have a question about lists -
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  306. # [08:25] <zettam> I have item descriptions as hyperlinks in my js-generated list
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  309. # [08:25] <zettam> I want to style them so that there will be icons that will show item descriptions when they're mouse-howered
  310. # [08:25] <zettam> all of the icons will be the same
  311. # [08:25] <zettam> Is that possible -
  312. # [08:25] <zettam> I'm struggling with this issue sinc yesterday, could't do it yet
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  373. # [10:43] <mokush> any idea of a springpad-like app, but that allows me to store my own data, (and, stretching it, with markdown support)?
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  383. # [11:08] <zettam> this channel is utterly silent
  384. # [11:08] <zettam> there are 237 people in here
  385. # [11:08] <zettam> but no one is actually answering anything at all
  386. # [11:08] <zettam> is there any special reason for that
  387. # [11:08] <Silent> That's how IRC is
  388. # [11:08] <zettam> Well
  389. # [11:08] <zettam> not for most of the other channels though
  390. # [11:08] <Silent> Everyone's idle :P
  391. # [11:08] <zettam> I assumed this is a good place to get some help
  392. # [11:08] <Silent> Yeah, some are very crowded.
  393. # [11:09] <zettam> I've asked like 10 questions since yesterday, couldn't get ANY replies from here, yet
  394. # [11:09] <zettam> and they're mostly.... simple... but hard to find via google
  395. # [11:09] <Silent> On what topic?
  396. # [11:09] <zettam> depends
  397. # [11:09] <zettam> HTML, divs, etc.
  398. # [11:10] <zettam> For example, my current problem is that: I hve divs in an ordered list
  399. # [11:10] <zettam> I want to align them to the right
  400. # [11:10] <zettam> but I can't succeed, do you want to see the screenshot?
  401. # [11:10] <Silent> Try #web
  402. # [11:10] <Silent> And sorry, I don't see anything.
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  404. # [11:12] <zettam> Silent: what do you mean - you don't see anything?
  405. # [11:12] <Silent> I don't see the screenshot.
  406. # [11:13] <zettam> I'm pasting it, sec
  407. # [11:14] <zettam> http://snag.gy/poUXm.jpg --- left aligned sc-tracklist
  408. # [11:14] <zettam> I mean -- left float
  409. # [11:15] <Silent> Ah. I just started with HTML5, so I'm afraid I can't help you on that. Sorry :(
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  412. # [11:15] <zettam> and this is what happens when I right-align it http://snag.gy/o0kLt.jpg
  413. # [11:16] <zettam> http://snag.gy/poUXm.jpg --- float:left sc-tracklist ------ and this is what happens when do float:right http://snag.gy/o0kLt.jpg
  414. # [11:16] <zettam> any ideas ?
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  418. # [11:27] <mokush> zettam: how about a jsfiddle?
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  422. # [11:33] <zettam> I guess I've solved it via weird trial and error
  423. # [11:33] <zettam> but if you want to reply, I can ask something else :)
  424. # [11:33] <zettam> does style: cursor
  425. # [11:33] <zettam> work for div's ?
  426. # [11:34] <zettam> I mean....... cursor: hand
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  448. # [12:34] <pinage404> tagazok
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  452. # [12:49] <zettam> How can I make one hover button to effect a text's opacity (when it's hovered)
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  455. # [12:49] <zettam> text is the button's description
  456. # [12:50] <zettam> Is there any way to do this wthout javascript? (only css)
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  496. # [14:26] <fruitFly> Please help... simple problem http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13330676/why-is-there-padding-between-my-first-nav-and-the-body
  497. # [14:29] <Moo^_^> fruitFly: the linked chromum example works
  498. # [14:29] <Moo^_^> in FF too
  499. # [14:29] <fruitFly> yes... so why would it be displayed like that in my chrome and firfox?
  500. # [14:29] <Odra> Is using <nav> inside a <div> that only contains the <nav> redundant?
  501. # [14:30] <asher^> fruitFly the screenshot is clearly using different css to what you included in the question
  502. # [14:30] <Moo^_^> fruitFly: please repeat your problem on jsfiddle.net and then we can help
  503. # [14:30] <fruitFly> asher^: No
  504. # [14:31] <asher^> fruitFly, yes. your ss has two elements with red borders, but your css only has that applied to the body
  505. # [14:31] <asher^> so, its different
  506. # [14:31] <Odra> For example <div><nav>a bunch of divs with links inside</nav></div> should I use just <nav> instead?
  507. # [14:32] <fruitFly> asher^: all that's different is the color
  508. # [14:32] <Odra> Huh, wait. If I use only <nav> instead of <div> would that even work with browsers that don't support nav?
  509. # [14:33] <asher^> ok, so its different to what you actually posted, and you are the only one that can reproduce the problem...
  510. # [14:33] <fruitFly> yes
  511. # [14:33] <fruitFly> I know I sound like a tard overlooking something
  512. # [14:33] <fruitFly> but I'm at a loss
  513. # [14:33] <asher^> you havent even demonstrated the problem
  514. # [14:33] <Odra> fruitFly: You sound like a tard but not because you are overlooking something.
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  516. # [14:34] <fruitFly> wanna heko Odra http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13330676/why-is-there-padding-between-my-first-nav-and-the-body
  517. # [14:34] <asher^> fruitFly someone put your code in a jsfiddle, linked it on SO, and it shows that the problem doesnt exist with that code
  518. # [14:34] <asher^> so expecting someone to 'fix' something that isnt broken is crazy
  519. # [14:34] <Odra> fruitFly: I can't solve a problem that isn't presented to me
  520. # [14:35] <asher^> http://jsfiddle.net/bcwsU/
  521. # [14:35] <fruitFly> I know, I feel if I deployed it it would work just fine.. but why does it appear this way in MY browser
  522. # [14:35] <Odra> fruitFly: Is it different in OTHER browsers?
  523. # [14:35] <fruitFly> don't solve it... could it be an application error on my part?
  524. # [14:35] <fruitFly> firefox too yes
  525. # [14:35] <Odra> Actually, are you using IE7?
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  527. # [14:36] <Odra> btw, to make no padding in the body usually you use body { margin: 0px; }
  528. # [14:37] <Odra> And even then its usually just the top part that sucks. So I stick with margin-top: 0px; :D
  529. # [14:37] <Odra> Is * even a css selector?
  530. # [14:37] <fruitFly> I believe it selects everything
  531. # [14:38] <Odra> I believe it is not a css selector
  532. # [14:38] <fruitFly> let's see
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  534. # [14:38] <Odra> Why would you even select everything if all you want to set no padding for is the body?
  535. # [14:38] <fruitFly> yes it is a selector... try it
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  537. # [14:39] <fruitFly> So that I can change all element's default margins and padding to nothing for more logical styling
  538. # [14:40] <fruitFly> not logical styling... just so I know there is no margins and padding unless I specify otherwise
  539. # [14:40] <Odra> :|
  540. # [14:42] <Odra> fruitFly: You know you are overriding user CSS styles for nothing, dont you?
  541. # [14:43] <Odra> Also why nobody answers my questions?
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  543. # [14:44] <fruitFly> am I, I forgot the priority? Wouldn't I have to mark it as important or something for it to not be overridden
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  553. # [15:08] <liquid-silence> hi all
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  555. # [15:08] <liquid-silence> is there a way to set the width and height of a object element?
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  780. # [21:48] <Foo-Bar> hello everyone
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  782. # [21:49] <David_Bradbury> Hello
  783. # [21:49] <Foo-Bar> So, I'm actually using KineticJS, but couldn't find a support channel for it :(
  784. # [21:50] <Foo-Bar> Anyone familiar enough with KineticJS that you can tell me how to add new attributes?
  785. # [21:51] <Foo-Bar> I'd like to create a Kinetic.Node.isWall attribute ... and if you know how to get that to be specific to Rectangles, that would be awesome too :)
  786. # [21:52] <Foo-Bar> I could always make a wrapper for the Rect, but it's only one property that I wish to add
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  795. # [22:04] <Foo-Bar> well...that was a stupid question
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  820. # [23:13] <Moo^_^> a foo went to a bar...
  821. # [23:14] <Moo^_^> Foo-Bar: it's sunday night. Even if there was a remote chance there were a single KineticJS user on this channel, I believe we are pretty much officially closed
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