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  15. # [00:25] <chaitime> hi
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  18. # [00:35] <milleja46> ugh the one time I decide to do a different layout in html and css it breaks when I try to do something just a little different(forgetting the fact it's fixed by adding margin but I shouldn't have to add margin to fix it) *sigh* -_-
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  59. # [02:25] <sneak> i'm trying to fade some elements and, at least in chrome, there seems to be a huge jump between css opacity:0.99 and 1.0.
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  64. # [02:37] <milleja46> sneak: that's odd...
  65. # [02:37] <sneak> indeed
  66. # [02:38] <sneak> i fixed it by writing my own replacement for jQ's .fadeIn() and just stopping at 0.99
  67. # [02:38] <sneak> but it's a filthy hack
  68. # [02:38] <sneak> (it's mostly just text, and only chrome, it looks like)
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  72. # [02:39] <milleja46> well you know those moments when you take a break and have a moment when you find out how to fix a weird flaw with a design?
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  80. # [02:41] <milleja46> I just had one of those moments with doing a weird design I never thought of or really wanted to try until now....I added height to my sidebar and the text finally pushed down XD
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  96. # [03:56] <milleja46> anyone have any tips on how to make a retro style? I've partially figured it out with some color and how I did some text...
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  280. # [10:31] <EoN> Can anyone recommend a modern extremely lightweight ui 'library'? im after nice web 2.0'ey stylish buttons etc, but dont want/need all the heavy framework around it. just the graphics/css/layout side of things
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  327. # [12:12] <Jonadabe> hi there. anyone knows if there is any channel for wai-aria questions?
  328. # [12:13] <OzDave_mbp> #wai-aria channel (irc.w3.org:6665) I had to google it
  329. # [12:13] <OzDave_mbp> http://mozilla.6506.n7.nabble.com/Public-IRC-channel-for-WAI-ARIA-discussions-td243537.html
  330. # [12:13] <Jonadabe> thanks
  331. # [12:13] <OzDave_mbp> That was 2008, perhaps it vapoured but its worth a shot
  332. # [12:14] <OzDave_mbp> np
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  348. # [12:28] <djdingo14> <!DOCTYPE html>
  349. # [12:28] <djdingo14> <html lang="en">\n<!-- Stuff goes here. --></html>
  350. # [12:28] <djdingo14> I can't help but feel that this is somehow duplicating.
  351. # [12:28] <djdingo14> That the lang= crap should be on the first line.
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  385. # [13:39] <jessica_> http://viralpatel.net/blogs/dynamically-add-remove-rows-in-html-table-using-javascript/ , i want to learn an example on how to save multiple dynamic rows data in mysql
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  408. # [14:04] <roy____> Whats the ideal with size for a website to also be correctly displayed on an iPad
  409. # [14:04] <roy____> 1024 is too wide
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  411. # [14:05] <Jon471> answer: it depends
  412. # [14:05] <Jon471> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3375706/ipad-browser-width-height-standard
  413. # [14:06] <Jon471> (on your <meta name="viewport">)
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  418. # [14:09] <roy____> Ah yeah excellent
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  487. # [14:58] <xabierastigarrag> hi everyone
  488. # [14:58] <xabierastigarrag> im trying to set my logo as the "home" button, but I cant manage
  489. # [14:58] <xabierastigarrag> could anyone help me?
  490. # [14:58] <xabierastigarrag> http://jsfiddle.net/NCsGm/
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  501. # [15:11] <diahane> hi guys can someone helps me understanding one thing on html5?
  502. # [15:11] <diahane> is there anyone?
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  506. # [15:13] <diahane> does html5 returns step by step the same evolution of html or it will return always a fetching result?
  507. # [15:14] <diahane> no one knows? :/
  508. # [15:14] <Jon471> diahane can you rephrase that question? it makes no sense to me
  509. # [15:14] <diahane> ok sec sorry for my bad english i'm italian
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  511. # [15:14] <diahane> i would like to know if possible, if html5 returns methods like querybuild() or returns always same html structure
  512. # [15:15] <diahane> first or second?
  513. # [15:15] <Jon471> i'm not familiar with the querybuild method
  514. # [15:15] <diahane> no one has answered me on this
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  517. # [15:15] <Jon471> but html5 doesn't have "methods"
  518. # [15:16] <diahane> is not the querybuild() method i mean if it's or not
  519. # [15:16] <Jon471> html5 is the language used to write a document that can be parsed according to the DOM
  520. # [15:16] <Jon471> the document might then have methods that can be accessed via a scripting language like javascript
  521. # [15:17] <diahane> yes but if doesn't return html structure ho can i be familiar with querybuild and most of all how they think out of replacing that method?
  522. # [15:18] <Jon471> diahane what do you mean by "querybuild"
  523. # [15:18] <Jon471> i'm not familiar with that term
  524. # [15:18] <diahane> there is some method like query building instead of replacing the framework architecture you strip off all you need
  525. # [15:18] <diahane> this i mean
  526. # [15:18] <diahane> so first or second do you know?
  527. # [15:19] <Jon471> I'm sorry, i don't understand
  528. # [15:19] <diahane> :(
  529. # [15:19] <Jon471> html is just text
  530. # [15:19] <Jon471> the browser parses that text
  531. # [15:19] <diahane> yes but is the structure if cutted off!!!
  532. # [15:19] <Jon471> the parser is very forgiving
  533. # [15:20] <Jon471> it can build a DOM tree out of even the most invalid document
  534. # [15:20] <g105b> diahane: To receive better help, spend a bit of time structuring your question in English.
  535. # [15:20] <diahane> no parsering is the question about that that i know, i need some help for retrieving query building fragments
  536. # [15:20] <diahane> too
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  539. # [15:20] <Jon471> but if a document is very invalid there's no guarantee that it will be parsed as the author intended
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  541. # [15:20] <diahane> @g105b @Jon471 ok the real question was what's the weather today? :D
  542. # [15:20] <diahane> i was joking :D
  543. # [15:21] <Jon471> for building fragments, i think you'd probably want to test it in each browser
  544. # [15:21] <diahane> man stop i was joking :D
  545. # [15:21] <Jon471> that's a fairly new technology
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  547. # [15:21] <diahane> ahahahah
  548. # [15:21] <g105b> what was the joke?
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  551. # [15:22] <diahane> to make someone going crazy with no-sense questions
  552. # [15:22] <diahane> ahahah
  553. # [15:22] <diahane> no one italian here?
  554. # [15:22] <diahane> some italian?
  555. # [15:22] <diahane> dio merda porca madonna
  556. # [15:23] <g105b> diahane: to answer your question: use tables.
  557. # [15:23] <g105b> nest those tables
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  559. # [15:23] <diahane> @g105b i stopped using tables since 1996 :D
  560. # [15:23] <diahane> thx for the suggestion :D
  561. # [15:24] <g105b> tables are the way forward. who needs divs?
  562. # [15:24] <diahane> sure, tables are the future
  563. # [15:24] <diahane> indeed twitter-bootstrap introduced them
  564. # [15:25] <diahane> damn the future it's hard to predict but it will be html6,html7,html,8html,9html10,html11 then i think i'll stop live… maybe don't know
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  568. # [15:30] <dahlfors> uh, tables was still the way to develop sites back in 96-98
  569. # [15:31] <diahane> yep
  570. # [15:31] <diahane> but they are back
  571. # [15:31] <diahane> no more divs!!!!
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  584. # [15:36] <xabierastigarrag> could anyone help me making my logo "home button"?
  585. # [15:36] <xabierastigarrag> http://jsfiddle.net/rJ3Zm/
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  590. # [15:37] <g105b> xabierastigarrag: what do you need help with? what is your question?
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  592. # [15:38] <xabierastigarrag> i cant make it work
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  595. # [15:38] <xabierastigarrag> i need to link an image with a link... its simple, but i cant
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  597. # [15:39] <g105b> http://jsfiddle.net/rJ3Zm/1/
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  601. # [15:41] <xabierastigarrag> isnt working :S
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  605. # [15:42] <EHLOVader> xabierastigarrag: the image isn't on the fiddle servers. put it on yours and the relative image reference should work
  606. # [15:44] <xabierastigarrag> whats the fiddle server?
  607. # [15:44] <Moo^_^> xabierastigarrag: jsfiddle.com site
  608. # [15:44] <EHLOVader> http://jsfiddle.net/rJ3Zm/
  609. # [15:44] <Moo^_^> xabierastigarrag: you need to upload image to some other place
  610. # [15:45] <EHLOVader> see if you make it think it is coming from your server... by using the base href tag it will work
  611. # [15:45] <xabierastigarrag> i have it in my ftp
  612. # [15:45] <xabierastigarrag> i can see it, but is not working as a link
  613. # [15:45] <EHLOVader> pl0x see my fiddle xabierastigarrag
  614. # [15:46] <EHLOVader> it works as a link for me.. I get thrown over to your site... at which point it stops working because you haven't put the code from the fiddle on it
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  617. # [15:46] <xabierastigarrag> your fiddle is not my fiddle?
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  622. # [15:50] <xabierastigarrag> EHLOVader, your fiddle is not the fiddle I uploaded? i cant spot any difference
  623. # [15:50] <EHLOVader> it is exactly the one you uploaded
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  625. # [15:50] <xabierastigarrag> and it works for you?
  626. # [15:51] <EHLOVader> with one line
  627. # [15:51] <EHLOVader> added
  628. # [15:51] <EHLOVader> this was yours http://jsfiddle.net/NCsGm/
  629. # [15:51] <EHLOVader> this was mine http://jsfiddle.net/rJ3Zm/
  630. # [15:51] <chaitime> hi friends
  631. # [15:51] <EHLOVader> oh, ugh
  632. # [15:51] <EHLOVader> sorry
  633. # [15:51] <EHLOVader> http://jsfiddle.net/rJ3Zm/3/
  634. # [15:51] <g105b> http://jsfiddle.net/g105b/Z4TFh/
  635. # [15:52] <EHLOVader> try that xabierastigarrag
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  637. # [15:52] <xabierastigarrag> aaa havent seen that haha
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  642. # [15:53] <xabierastigarrag> still not working for me
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  647. # [15:56] <EHLOVader> xabierastigarrag: even with the <base href="http://www.xabierastigarraga.com/"/> line?
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  756. # [18:28] <roy____> Is verdana an acceptable font-type for websites according to people here ?
  757. # [18:30] <milleja46> well that one will only work if the user has it if I'm correct :P
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  760. # [18:31] <milleja46> Last I checked any specific relies on if the user has it(which doesn't matter if you use a webfont...)
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  844. # [19:37] <milleja46> so roy____ as the anwswer to your earlier question is, as long as it can be loaded on the user's machine ;)
  845. # [19:37] <roy____> Yeah i guess Helvetica is the safest choice
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  847. # [19:41] <Zitter> hi, I don't understand: <header> and <footer> can be nested also in a <section>, having more <section>s in HTML document? For example: a list of recent posts tagged using <section> (or is it better <article>), each one having <header> for heading and author and <footer> for number of coments and share?
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  850. # [19:45] <milleja46> Zitter: kinda think of it this way: in a article tag you would use header and footer tags for the inofrmation taht doesn't pertain to the actual article content but provides some information(like the title and byline) and statistics for the article...and the header tag in a section would be the page title most likely....it's just organizational tags
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  852. # [19:45] * milleja46 learned alot about html5 stuff in the 2 day hall pass he had on code school ;)
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  856. # [19:50] <Zitter> something like that? http://pastie.org/5438674
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  858. # [19:51] <milleja46> yea basically
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  861. # [19:52] <Zitter> in other way: semantic tags "depends" :)
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  863. # [19:53] <milleja46> yea it just makes the code look very organized than just a div or something with a id of header or footer
  864. # [19:53] <milleja46> much easier to find stuff in my opinion if it's used ;)
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  866. # [19:54] <Zitter> ok, my doubt was for <header> and <footer> tags that I know I can use not only for whole documents, but also for parts of it
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  869. # [19:55] <milleja46> yea it's just like a div, you can use it however many times you want and it won't matter
  870. # [19:55] <milleja46> or even like p or a tags
  871. # [19:55] <Zitter> milleja46, thanks... very clear
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  873. # [19:56] <milleja46> yea took me a few minutes to understand it but very useful code organizational tags ;)
  874. # [19:57] <Zitter> milleja46, any resource easy to read and understand?
  875. # [19:58] <milleja46> hmm there was some documents recommended when I finished the course I did on code school...let me see what it was and I get right back to you
  876. # [19:58] <Zitter> thx!
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  881. # [20:03] <milleja46> hmm looks like they recommend the Dive into html5 book, and the html5 for web designers book
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  883. # [20:04] <bendman> Zitter: milleja46: I like html5doctor… it's a pretty good resource for that kind of thing
  884. # [20:04] <milleja46> as well asthe html5 doctor website too
  885. # [20:04] <bendman> :)
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  887. # [20:05] <milleja46> bendman: you'd be surprised how good codeschool is too ;) I think they may have actually pulled some content from there :P
  888. # [20:05] <milleja46> but the learning by doing helps too ;)
  889. # [20:05] <milleja46> and oh yea they also show this site: html5demos.com as a resource to go off of
  890. # [20:06] <bendman> don't spend too much time worried about tag meanings though… get a decent foundation on semantics and spend time coding, not referencing to figure out if a P or a SPAN is better is a certain context
  891. # [20:07] <Zitter> yeah, of course... it's just to understand
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  894. # [20:09] <milleja46> well if you have some money to spend (or can end up getting a free 2 day hall pass) code school is really nice in my book with their functional html5 course titled "3for5 functional html5 and css3" it's really nice
  895. # [20:10] <milleja46> oh and their jorney into mobile is nice as well to learn some of the stuff relating to designing for devices that are different from just a desktop or laptop ;)
  896. # [20:11] <milleja46> journey into mobile*
  897. # [20:11] <milleja46> geez I have no luck typing ever XD
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  902. # [20:13] <milleja46> (now if only I could figure out how to properly center my navigation in my layout :P
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  909. # [20:17] <milleja46> can anyone here tell me what I'm doing wrong here to center the nav in it's container on http://zatri.zymichost.com/ (that's just a testing site that I have to test this stuff)
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  965. # [21:05] <milleja46> anyone know what i'm doing wrong on zatri.zymichost.com that's not making the nav element centered in it's container?
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  980. # [21:18] <bendman> milleja46: your nav element is the full width of the container. you need to give it an actual width in order to center it. min-width 60% doesn't cut it when it defaults to 100%
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  982. # [21:19] <milleja46> is there any way to cut that default 100%?
  983. # [21:21] <milleja46> or I just need to change the display block for the resolution...
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  987. # [21:25] <milleja46> well if I just change it to inline block and do a text align on it that fixes it right up...ha ha
  988. # [21:28] <bendman> milleja46: yep, inline-block or set the width manually to whatever it needs to be
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  992. # [21:36] <milleja46> ha and now I found some social icons to fit my style I'm going for :D (sorry not that great with the tools at my disposal to make the images myself >_>)
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  1006. # [22:10] <Snugug> Hey, does anyone have an opinion as to whether or not a figure's figcaption can contain h tags?
  1007. # [22:10] <Snugug> Or should the h tags be before the fig caption?
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  1009. # [22:13] <hober> Snugug: what's there to have an opinion about? <figcaption>'s content model is flow content, and <h[1-6]> elements are flow content.
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  1012. # [22:17] <Snugug> hober: Yah, I said it out loud and it no longer made any sense to me
  1013. # [22:17] <Snugug> Sometimes you just need to say something out loud to realize how silly something says
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