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  200. # [05:34] <prishabh> the sandbox attribute, prevents link clicks inside the iframe. any work around ?
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  216. # [05:56] <hemanth> prishabh, hey! hwz u?
  217. # [05:57] <prishabh> hi
  218. # [05:59] <hemanth> prishabh, http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/browsers.html#attr-iframe-sandbox-allow-top-navigation?
  219. # [05:59] <prishabh> doesn't works
  220. # [06:00] <hemanth> :\
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  222. # [06:00] <hemanth> prishabh, jsfiddle?
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  229. # [06:28] * hemanth learnt "Setting both the allow-scripts and allow-same-origin keywords together when the embedded page has the same origin as the page containing the iframe allows the embedded page to simply remove the sandbox attribute and then reload itself, effectively breaking out of the sandbox altogether."
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  289. # [08:20] <jessica> need little help with php, i dont know where to ask help for php, can any1 guide me
  290. # [08:20] <tw2113> ##php
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  292. # [08:23] <jessica> i cant get in there, dont know why
  293. # [08:23] <tw2113> need to register your nickname with nickserv
  294. # [08:23] <jessica> i need a small help incase some1 can help me here
  295. # [08:23] <jessica> nickserv.com ?
  296. # [08:23] <tw2113> http://oreilly.com/pub/h/1940
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  298. # [08:25] <jessica> ##php Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
  299. # [08:26] <tw2113> like i said
  300. # [08:26] <tw2113> follow the link
  301. # [08:26] <jessica> tryin to do
  302. # [08:28] <jessica> Can't use this command in this window
  303. # [08:28] <jessica> register password
  304. # [08:29] <jessica> register jessicastorm1986
  305. # [08:29] <jessica> nothin workin
  306. # [08:30] <jessica> how to open a query ?
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  309. # [08:33] <tw2113> /msg NickServ register password
  310. # [08:33] <tw2113> notice the /msg
  311. # [08:33] <tw2113> and the NickServ part too
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  313. # [08:38] <jessica> You are now identified for jessicastorm1986.
  314. # [08:38] <jessica> but i still dont see any people there
  315. # [08:39] <tw2113> i see 439
  316. # [08:39] <tw2113> type /j ##php
  317. # [08:41] <jessica> :) thanks
  318. # [08:41] <jessica> u do php as well ?
  319. # [08:41] <jessica> can you provide me a small help ?
  320. # [08:41] <jessica> http://jsfiddle.net/BZY5y/2/
  321. # [08:41] <tw2113> yes, but this isn't the right room for that
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  323. # [08:41] <jessica> i catch y there
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  325. # [08:44] <jessica> tw2113, i just pinged u there
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  385. # [09:57] <Zitter> html5 pages better served as HTML or XHTML?
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  397. # [10:10] <Ms2ger> HTML
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  399. # [10:11] <OzDave_mbp> Happy texas mexican language
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  401. # [10:13] <prishabh> XML
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  406. # [10:18] <Trisox> guys and girls what is the best way to convert video to mp4 ogv and webm
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  408. # [10:19] <OzDave_mbp> what is the primary platform that you are on?
  409. # [10:21] <OzDave_mbp> http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html SUPER for windows kids or ffmpeg etc for other linux/ unix realms +mac http://ffmpeg.org/
  410. # [10:22] <OzDave_mbp> there is a new breed of online page but I havent explored it enough http://video.online-convert.com/convert-to-mp4 probably a ffmpeg front end
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  418. # [10:25] <Trisox> well osx
  419. # [10:26] <Trisox> thnx OzDave_mbp
  420. # [10:26] <OzDave_mbp> np If you can afford it I would be getting compressor and compressing from a much higher quality file
  421. # [10:27] <OzDave_mbp> https://www.apple.com/au/finalcutpro/compressor/
  422. # [10:27] <OzDave_mbp> It might not have webm however it will do a wicked job
  423. # [10:28] <OzDave_mbp> I batch to istock photo etc and other jobs with an older version 3
  424. # [10:29] <OzDave_mbp> animation codec to say mp4 for compositions is one workflow
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  436. # [10:46] <Trisox> well i would prob not get the money for that ;)
  437. # [10:47] <Trisox> i'm trying out some diverend converters to see the quality
  438. # [10:47] <OzDave_mbp> expect random pixel problems then with other converters if you compress a compressed file, It usually depends on how far up the media tree you are I guess to suit the job
  439. # [10:47] <OzDave_mbp> bbl
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  444. # [10:49] <Trisox> ;) thnx
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  484. # [11:46] <hd217> noob question but best text editor for html?
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  487. # [11:50] <Ms2ger`> Any you feel comfortable with
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  495. # [12:03] <Silent> Hello :)
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  519. # [12:43] <Silent> We have <header> and <footer> on HTML5, do we have anything for what used to be <div id="center"> ?
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  521. # [12:45] <dahlfors> Silent: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/#new-elements
  522. # [12:45] <dahlfors> so, section, article and aside
  523. # [12:46] <dahlfors> depends on your page
  524. # [12:48] <Silent> Well, I don't enitrely know what will be in the center and I want something universal, so I think I will go with section. Thanks :)
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  526. # [12:50] <Silent> I don't dee w3c using header or footer.
  527. # [12:50] <Silent> see*
  528. # [12:55] <prishabh> its a trap
  529. # [12:57] <dahlfors> haha, indeed not
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  581. # [14:02] <Pessimism> Is there a form field that will allow a mobile user to enter an address that they can later click to launch the native map app?
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  601. # [14:24] <veQue> hi is there a way to make a permanent placeholder ?
  602. # [14:25] <veQue> i want the placeholder to align left of the tex input and the user's input to the right
  603. # [14:25] <veQue> is this possible?
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  605. # [14:25] <iamdustan> veQue: use an absolutely positioned label.
  606. # [14:26] <veQue> ok does absolute always reference <body> as it's coordinates?
  607. # [14:27] <veQue> or can i have it reference the <input> for coordinates ?
  608. # [14:27] <veQue> if it's a child of it
  609. # [14:27] <iamdustan> it references the nearest relative positioned parent
  610. # [14:28] <iamdustan> e.g. <div class="input-wrapper" style="position: relative"><label for="thing">Label</label><input id=thing></div>
  611. # [14:28] <veQue> <input><img></img> </input>
  612. # [14:28] <veQue> can i do that too?
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  615. # [14:29] <veQue> hmm
  616. # [14:29] <veQue> ok thanks i'll try that
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  624. # [14:38] <veQue> ok i guess i can do it my way
  625. # [14:38] <veQue> too
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  630. # [14:40] <veQue> ok i see
  631. # [14:40] <veQue> by default it is close to the nearest parent
  632. # [14:41] <veQue> but it still has coordinates of the entire html window
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  636. # [14:43] <prishabh> anyone good at optimizing canvas performance ?
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  640. # [14:47] <milleja46> wait veQue that name looks familiar XD ehh I may just be thinking things though >_>
  641. # [14:47] <veQue> you hang out in other chatrooms?
  642. # [14:47] <veQue> twitlive?
  643. # [14:47] <veQue> you play quake?
  644. # [14:48] <veQue> or artist?
  645. # [14:48] <iamdustan> veQue: input’s can’t have arbitrary content in them.
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  647. # [14:48] <milleja46> ehh I don't know I just think I've seen that name before...almost wonder if it may be blender or something like that
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  650. # [14:48] <veQue> oh yeh i use blender
  651. # [14:49] <milleja46> well now that's cleared up ha ha >_>
  652. # [14:49] <veQue> iamdustan: but it seems to work when i did it
  653. # [14:49] <milleja46> I haven't been on that channel in a long time...
  654. # [14:49] <veQue> yeh i have stopped blending for a while
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  656. # [14:50] <milleja46> ehh I just need to find a good tutorial I can actually learn from there needs to be more stuff like code school but for art stuff like blender :P
  657. # [14:51] * milleja46 has basically finished the layout of a revamp he was doing just doesn't know where to go from here to make it look less dull XD
  658. # [14:51] <iamdustan> veQue: the browser when parsing it ignored your closing </input> and rendered that as <input /><img /> (both input and img are self-closing)
  659. # [14:52] <milleja46> anyone know what i could do to improve the look of zatri.zymichost.com ?
  660. # [14:53] <prishabh> hire a good designer
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  662. # [14:53] <veQue> iamdustan: oh ok that explains why it was below it
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  666. # [14:56] <milleja46> prishabh: I'd rather not :P I just know I could do something to achieve the look I'm going fore but don't know what...since I'm going for a retro look(but not as in bad design just the feel of retro stuff)
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  684. # [15:12] <Stava> With HTML5 it seems <col width="0*"> is invalid markup. How do I create this effect with valid html5/css3?
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  694. # [15:21] <milleja46> Stava: what's the asterik for?
  695. # [15:22] <milleja46> oh wait that's why I don't recognize that line... I don't use tables in my designs if I can help it XD
  696. # [15:22] <Stava> milleja46: "In addition to the standard pixel and percentage values, this attribute might take the special form 0*, which means that the width of each column in the group should be the minimum width necessary to hold the column's contents. Relative widths such as 0.5* also can be used."
  697. # [15:23] <Stava> 0* is pretty much like saying "smallest possible"
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  702. # [15:31] <bendman> that's not how tables work by default without setting a width?
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  704. # [15:33] <Stava> bendman: No
  705. # [15:34] <Stava> Not if you set the tables width to 100%
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  707. # [15:35] <Stava> Even if you don't, 0* is not default behaviour (it would not be possible to have that effect on all columns anyway)
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  712. # [15:40] <bendman> Stava: isn't this the exact thing you are talking about: http://jsbin.com/welcome/53875/edit
  713. # [15:40] <dahlfors> Stava: how does it seem to be invalid markup? because the specs don't say so, because browsers behave weirdly, or is it some validator claiming it?
  714. # [15:41] <bendman> those are all the minimum width to hold the columns contents. You can't do relatives that way, but you can set the equivalent to 0*, unless I'm misunderstanding
  715. # [15:43] <Stava> dahlfors: The width attribute on <col> was dropped in html5
  716. # [15:43] <Stava> bendman: It is, but try setting a width on <table>
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  720. # [15:46] <bendman> Stava: hm… still seems possible by setting the width of the ones you want hard set using CSS, and setting the others to auto. what's the effect you're trying to achieve?
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  724. # [15:49] <jeffsmykil> is there a channel dedicated to HTML 5 Game development
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  726. # [15:50] <bendman> jeffsmykil: I know the javascript channel is a good resource
  727. # [15:50] <jeffsmykil> sounds good thanks
  728. # [15:51] <Stava> bendman: This seems to give me the desired effect: http://jsbin.com/welcome/53887/edit
  729. # [15:51] <roy____> I can't get multiple link styles to work on the same page .. if i try as defined in this example http://www.echoecho.com/csslinks.htm
  730. # [15:51] <Stava> But the line with "width: 50%" will have to be adjusted to the number of columns in the table
  731. # [15:51] <roy____> nothing happens if i add class="class1" or class2 to a link tag
  732. # [15:52] <roy____> It only works if i define the style as a:link and a:hover , but then its styled all the same for the entire document
  733. # [15:52] <bendman> Stava: yeah, it doesn't really handle relative column widths as nicely as the 0*, 2*, etc method
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  735. # [15:55] <bendman> roy____: does this help: http://jsbin.com/abidad/1/edit
  736. # [15:56] <bendman> roy____: make sure you are using the class names in CSS, and use them with the pseudo selectors (:hover, :link) if you want to override the default
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  741. # [16:00] <roy____> Yeah bendman i got it working now
  742. # [16:00] <roy____> thnx
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  745. # [16:04] <bendman> :)
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  747. # [16:08] <roy____> Also has anyone noticed that viewing any site on an iPad, if you position elements they are consistently pushed down 5 pixels compared to how it should be. I have fixed this with some javascript, but isn't there an other way a meta tag of some kind to fix this ?
  748. # [16:09] <bendman> roy____: body {position:relative;top:-5px;} :P don't think that's what you mean though
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  751. # [16:12] <roy____> bendman: Well i could write a javascript that would either write to document body {position:relative;top:-5px;} or body {position:relative;top:-0px;} related to wether safari mobile or another browser is detected
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  753. # [16:14] <bendman> roy____: or make it .ipad body {…} and have your javascript add the iPad class to the html tag as soon as it runs
  754. # [16:14] <bendman> roy____: then you can use the .ipad class for other things too. basically like modernizr
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  756. # [16:15] <bendman> might be a better solution to find the source of the problem though, not to cure a symptom
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  761. # [16:18] <roy____> Yeah
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  765. # [16:26] <roy____> Its not possible though to call on javascript outside of the body tag though right?
  766. # [16:29] <roy____> Its not exactly what i'd need though ...
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  770. # [16:45] <justinfront_> Hi is this a friendly channel for haxe coders that want to pick js coders brains ? I have question about the overhead of large switch statements.
  771. # [16:45] <justinfront_> Is this the best channel for talking javascript?
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  775. # [16:49] <bendman> justinfront_: there's the javascript channel… that's very active as well and a bit more specific
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  777. # [16:50] <justinfront_> thanks bendman
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  883. # [19:14] <kedric> HTML 5 Video player on iOS: The play button does not play when tapped, it has to be long pressed to work. The issue is on iOS 5.1.1 but not on iOS 6.0.1. Anyone know how to make it work when the play button is tapped on ios 5?
  884. # [19:17] <David_Bradbury> I haven't tried, but couldn't your register an ontouchstart event on the video element and run this.play() or whatever the API is?
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  886. # [19:21] <kedric> David_Bradbury: You are not allowed to use the play methods on iOS due to apple wanting things to not autoplay and eat up data
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  889. # [19:22] <David_Bradbury> I'm pretty sure you can do it on user-initiated events.
  890. # [19:22] <David_Bradbury> Just not on regular events like onload
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  915. # [19:49] <MiracleBlue> kedric: Use ontouchstart as your event :)
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  933. # [20:17] <kedric> MiracleBlue: Thanks! ill try it now
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  935. # [20:19] <MiracleBlue> kedric: No worries :)
  936. # [20:20] <David_Bradbury> I said that an hour ago =/
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  949. # [20:31] <MiracleBlue> David_Bradbury: Haha yeah :)
  950. # [20:31] <MiracleBlue> I saw that.
  951. # [20:32] <kedric> hey guys, working on it now
  952. # [20:32] <kedric> the touch event is not getting called
  953. # [20:33] <MiracleBlue> Hmm
  954. # [20:33] <David_Bradbury> What does your event listener look like?
  955. # [20:33] <kedric> $('#popupHtml').bind('ontouchstart', function(){
  956. # [20:34] <MiracleBlue> Oh
  957. # [20:34] <MiracleBlue> I think it should be just "touchstart"
  958. # [20:34] <David_Bradbury> jQuery doesn't have touch events by default
  959. # [20:34] <David_Bradbury> Last time I checked
  960. # [20:34] <MiracleBlue> But the browser does.
  961. # [20:34] <kedric> i tried both
  962. # [20:34] <kedric> so inline i do ontouchstart="javascript here"?
  963. # [20:34] <MiracleBlue> Try using .on("touchstart"
  964. # [20:34] <MiracleBlue> Instead of bind, mabye.
  965. # [20:34] <MiracleBlue> maybe*
  966. # [20:34] <David_Bradbury> element.addEventListener('touchstart', function (e) { alert('yay') }, false);
  967. # [20:35] <David_Bradbury> Just use normal JavaScript
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  969. # [20:35] <David_Bradbury> and never use inline-javascript
  970. # [20:35] <MiracleBlue> ^
  971. # [20:35] <MiracleBlue> What he said.
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  973. # [20:36] <kedric> thanks for the tips, I am not a web developer, just sucked into this project :/
  974. # [20:36] <David_Bradbury> element can be replaced with $('#popupHtml')[0] if needed
  975. # [20:36] <MiracleBlue> No worries man :) happy to help.
  976. # [20:36] <David_Bradbury> ^
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  978. # [20:37] <MiracleBlue> IT's what we're here for :D
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  981. # [20:38] <MiracleBlue> I have to go to work in an hour
  982. # [20:38] <MiracleBlue> Argh.
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  995. # [21:05] <kedric> works on desktop
  996. # [21:05] <kedric> ot on ios
  997. # [21:05] <kedric> not*
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  999. # [21:06] <kedric> http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/AudioVideo/Conceptual/Using_HTML5_Audio_Video/Device-SpecificConsiderations/Device-SpecificConsiderations.html
  1000. # [21:06] <kedric> This has information on why
  1001. # [21:06] <kedric> I am not allowed to start the movie
  1002. # [21:06] <kedric> until a user has started it via the player
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  1021. # [21:48] <Moo^_^> kedric: it is known limitation on apple devices
  1022. # [21:48] <Moo^_^> kedric: to prevent autoplay on mobile connection
  1023. # [21:48] <Moo^_^> you cannot work around it
  1024. # [21:49] <viper1231> \join #node.js
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  1026. # [21:51] <kedric> That was my fear
  1027. # [21:51] <kedric> Is there anyway to get the play button to be more responsive?
  1028. # [21:52] <kedric> Moo^_^: Its a 1.5 second hold on the play button to get it working in ios 5, but in ios6 it is instant
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  1032. # [21:57] <djsounds02> When do I use the section tag?
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  1037. # [22:04] <Moo^_^> kedric: most likely no
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  1040. # [22:04] <kedric> Moo^_^: Thanks for your help!
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  1052. # [22:18] <Kuifje> djsounds02, when you need to group related content
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  1054. # [22:19] <djsounds02> I was thinking like things like slider containers breadcrumbs, and kind of full page heading impact box page content between the header nav and footer
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  1064. # [22:28] <mike000> looking to create a mobile page whee I can zoom in/out of image and take a snapshot of what id like. can i do this all on html5 canvas and have it work on majority of the newer iphone/androids?
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  1079. # [22:40] <OzDave_mbp> mike000: does the lightbox 2 plugin have a zoom feature, perhaps start with that lib and work from there.
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  1081. # [22:44] <OzDave_mbp> found this little ditty today btw http://codepen.io/
  1082. # [22:44] <OzDave_mbp> like a js fiddle
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  1085. # [22:48] <milleja46> OzDave_mbp: oh yea that thing is partially by the guy who does css tricks if I'm correct...
  1086. # [22:48] <OzDave_mbp> ahh thanks for the tip mate
  1087. # [22:48] <milleja46> gotta love some Chris Coyier he's a lot of help with his posts online when I run into trouble...
  1088. # [22:49] <milleja46> to some extent
  1089. # [22:49] <OzDave_mbp> hehe
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  1091. # [22:50] <milleja46> not any help when I just forget to close tags or make a error in judgement in my css :P
  1092. # [22:50] <OzDave_mbp> tax of syn :)
  1093. # [22:51] <OzDave_mbp> I gotta hit the gym before I sit here all day or my coding session will be less then desirable, bbl mate
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