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  8. # [00:01] <s5fs> David_Bradbury: estellevew is going to get an earful when they return!
  9. # [00:02] <David_Bradbury> I don't know if the bot got it. It usually says "Okay" when it receives it
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  11. # [00:04] <s5fs> yeah, strange. in any event it sounds like your average disgruntled customer, haha! free support isn't free enough for some.
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  14. # [00:08] <tw2113> email works
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  16. # [00:10] <s5fs> i feel email is fundamentally broken, but i accept your opinion
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  22. # [00:12] <tw2113> it'd be better fit than a tell-bot
  23. # [00:13] <tw2113> at least in this case with wall-o-text
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  69. # [01:45] <aliljet> hey! I'm busy building an application where I am constructing an item (that will be shipped to a user) by layering pngs. it's a lot like what the major car comapnies are doing when you build a car virtually. it sucks! I was debating using a 3d model with the canvas element -- but I wonder if it'll be poorly supported by most people's browsers?
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  222. # [06:48] <linuxuz3r> does html5 have multitouch support?
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  226. # [06:49] <onr> browser of your touch capable device probably has multitouch support
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  228. # [06:51] <Moo^_^> linuxuz3r: iOS has good support, android has limited support
  229. # [06:53] <linuxuz3r> ok
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  238. # [07:00] <Moo^_^> linuxuz3r: HTML5 specification itself, as a specification, has support
  239. # [07:00] <Moo^_^> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/tip/touchevents.html
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  256. # [07:24] <Back2Basics> I have text inside a canvas element (in the <script> tags) How do I stylize it with css?
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  259. # [07:27] <Moo^_^> Back2Basics: is there any reason why it would be different of styling like anything else with CSS?
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  261. # [07:28] <Back2Basics> it has no div tags. all I've found is how to make it bold/italic and font style. but not text shadow or any other goodies.
  262. # [07:29] <Moo^_^> maybe fallback content doesn't not support such styling http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/content-models.html#fallback-content
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  265. # [07:33] <Back2Basics> ty I'll have to check it out the rest of this page tomorrow.
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  370. # [10:13] <xec> could a <li> ever be a sibling to a <ol> ?
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  372. # [10:14] <xec> http://www.w3.org/TR/selectors/#specificity check out the 4th example: UL OL+LI
  373. # [10:14] <xec> that doesn't make sense, or am i being silly
  374. # [10:15] <rmill> <li>'s can totes be siblings to <ol>
  375. # [10:15] <rmill> They're meant to be.
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  377. # [10:15] <rmill> siblings of <ul> & <ol>
  378. # [10:15] <xec> rmill: i thought the only valid sibling to a <li>
  379. # [10:15] <xec> rmill: maybe you mean child?
  380. # [10:15] <rmill> er.
  381. # [10:15] <rmill> Yes, lol
  382. # [10:16] <MiracleBlue> I'm being interviewed for a senior position tomorrow. I'm nervous.
  383. # [10:16] <xec> senior as in old? :D
  384. # [10:16] <MiracleBlue> Hahaha
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  386. # [10:16] <MiracleBlue> Hurr durr get of me lawn
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  389. # [10:17] <MiracleBlue> But nah, senior front end dev
  390. # [10:18] <xec> yeah i figured :) sounds exciting
  391. # [10:19] <xec> what sort of wok will you be doing? like, front end for what?
  392. # [10:19] <MiracleBlue> Well, I believe it's javascript heavy
  393. # [10:19] <MiracleBlue> I can't reveal the company cause of NDA but they're pretty hugenormous
  394. # [10:19] <w00tner> guys, can you tell me how to store a the href value to a variable ???
  395. # [10:19] <MiracleBlue> They targeted me because of my backbone experience
  396. # [10:19] <w00tner> var realData = '<li><a href="images/'+dataSplit[0]+'">'+fileName+'</a> '+dataSplit[1]+'</li>';
  397. # [10:20] <MiracleBlue> I'm a mid level, but only 2 years total under my belt commercially
  398. # [10:20] <MiracleBlue> But they short-listed me, so I guess they're interested in throwing me into the senior pool :P
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  400. # [10:21] <w00tner> im trying to save it like var cropSource = images/'+dataSplit[0]+';
  401. # [10:22] <w00tner> but if i try an alert i get nothing
  402. # [10:23] <MiracleBlue> Ah interesting.
  403. # [10:23] <MiracleBlue> Could you paste bin a larger bit of your code to look at?
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  428. # [11:12] <Liquid-Silence> hi all
  429. # [11:12] <Liquid-Silence> anyone here work with svg's before?
  430. # [11:12] <Liquid-Silence> I need to render them side by side
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  432. # [11:14] <ec30> Liquid-Silence, what's the problem?
  433. # [11:14] <Liquid-Silence> whats the best way to do it
  434. # [11:14] <Liquid-Silence> I am struggling to get them to work 100%
  435. # [11:15] <Liquid-Silence> object tags the best?
  436. # [11:15] <ec30> I would recommend Raphael.js
  437. # [11:16] <Liquid-Silence> yeah
  438. # [11:16] <Liquid-Silence> its magazine pages though
  439. # [11:16] <ec30> oh right
  440. # [11:16] <Liquid-Silence> the svg comes from external source
  441. # [11:16] <ec30> img tag?
  442. # [11:16] <Liquid-Silence> nah it leaves parts of the SVG out
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  444. # [11:19] <Liquid-Silence> and I need to render them side by side
  445. # [11:19] <Liquid-Silence> so two at a time
  446. # [11:20] <ec30> what exactly is the question.
  447. # [11:20] <ec30> ?
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  463. # [11:37] <Liquid-Silence> svg is hard to position
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  473. # [11:56] <Liquid-Silence> ec30: want to have a crack at it?
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  535. # [14:03] <sunbeam> Anyone in here common with Google Maps API? I need to have a marker on the map I'm displaying (using API)
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  686. # [17:50] <zfly9> hey guys trying to do a site with !DOCTYPE html and I'm getting some apostrophies rendered as question marks with a black diamond background
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  725. # [18:27] <bencc> is it possible to draw diagonal lines on a canvas less blurry? http://jsfiddle.net/xt7dN/33/
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  731. # [18:29] <onr> bencc: no
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  735. # [18:31] <bencc> onr: I'm building a drawing app
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  737. # [18:32] <bencc> onr: maybe when drawing with the mouse there is something I can do to improve it?
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  741. # [18:35] <onr> bencc: i remember there were discussions about it. as far as i know you can't turn off anti aliasing in <canvas>
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  745. # [18:36] <onr> bencc: but in svg there are options like crispEdges, pixelated etc. though i don't remember their behavior really
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  748. # [18:37] <bencc> onr: I don't think svg is suitable for free hand drawing
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  750. # [18:39] <onr> bencc: you probably won't use lineTo for free hand drawing on canvas element. try random pixels to test
  751. # [18:39] <bencc> onr: I'm using line two between onmove events
  752. # [18:39] <bencc> onr: any other option?
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  754. # [18:39] <bencc> I mean mousemove events
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  757. # [18:40] <bencc> onr: there is context.mozImageSmoothingEnabled=false in ff but I don't see any effect
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  759. # [18:41] <onr> don't know about it
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  790. # [19:01] <David_Bradbury> You're bound to get that sort of jaggedness when you have a straight line with a low slope
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  792. # [19:01] <David_Bradbury> If you want to draw a line without anti-aliasing you'll probably need to write a line draw function that instead places a dot on every place in the line on every half-pixel
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  794. # [19:02] <David_Bradbury> Well, every other half-pixel
  795. # [19:02] <bencc> David_Bradbury: doing it during mouse move events will probably be very slow
  796. # [19:04] <onr> nope it's okay
  797. # [19:04] <David_Bradbury> I've been able to draw thousands of shapes moving around with isPointInPath 'listeners' in every shape without issue.
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  800. # [19:04] <David_Bradbury> It isn't SVG where there is a DOM element created for every shape
  801. # [19:05] <David_Bradbury> Also, you can draw the line with your function, then use a path for events
  802. # [19:06] <bencc> David_Bradbury: what do you mean use a path for events?
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  807. # [19:06] <bencc> by drawing a line with my function you mean that I'll draw single pixels between coordinates instead of using lineTo?
  808. # [19:06] <David_Bradbury> Sorry, I read your statement wrong, I thought you were planning on using mouse over events on the shape, not mouse move events for drawing (which isn't slow at all)
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  810. # [19:07] <David_Bradbury> Basically
  811. # [19:07] <bencc> yes, mousemove for drawing
  812. # [19:07] <David_Bradbury> I wouldn't worry about speed at all with that. You'd have to far more complex events to worry about any slowdown
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  816. # [19:09] <bencc> David_Bradbury: so I just draw separate pixels or are there more complex stuff like line joins that I also need to implement myself?
  817. # [19:10] <David_Bradbury> What do you mean by a line join?
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  823. # [19:11] <bencc> linecap
  824. # [19:11] <onr> bencc: here's a decent looking tutorial, http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/html5-canvas-painting/
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  826. # [19:12] <David_Bradbury> I assumed you just wanted a single line as that is what you were showing. I just would use the regular line functions
  827. # [19:13] <David_Bradbury> If you try the same thing in Photoshop, you'll get some jagged looking lines simply because you can't anti-alias it at a fine enough resolution to make it look crisp to your eye
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  829. # [19:14] <bencc> onr: the linewidth is 2px
  830. # [19:14] <bencc> onr: if you try it with 1px it will be blurry
  831. # [19:14] <bencc> David_Bradbury: in paint it looks fine
  832. # [19:14] <bencc> David_Bradbury: ms paint
  833. # [19:15] <bencc> David_Bradbury: and jagged looking lines are not a problem when you are drawing
  834. # [19:15] <onr> i still don't get if you want line drawing or pencil drawing
  835. # [19:15] <David_Bradbury> That's because Paint doesn't use anti-aliasing.
  836. # [19:15] <David_Bradbury> ^
  837. # [19:15] <David_Bradbury> I'm not sure either
  838. # [19:16] <bencc> I want pencil drawing
  839. # [19:16] <bencc> I'm drawing lines between mousemove events for pencil drawing
  840. # [19:16] <bencc> any other option?
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  843. # [19:17] <onr> that's not pencil drawing
  844. # [19:19] <bencc> onr: so how do you implement pencil drawing?
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  846. # [19:20] <David_Bradbury> As of right now, all browsers implement anti-aliasing on drawn events in canvas where applicable. I believe Firefox has an option to turn it off and Opera is working on one. That said, there is no cross-browser solution besides drawing the pixels individually
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  848. # [19:21] <bencc> how can I draw the pixels individually? do I need to calculate the path myself?
  849. # [19:21] <onr> check the link above
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  851. # [19:22] <onr> you don't calculate path if its a "pencil" tool, it's user's task to draw a straight line
  852. # [19:23] <David_Bradbury> Why bother asking if you aren't going to read the resources that help answer your question? =/
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  854. # [19:23] <bencc> I read it now
  855. # [19:23] <bencc> and I read it before
  856. # [19:23] <bencc> the pencil tool uses lineTo on mousemove events
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  858. # [19:24] <bencc> so it doesn't draw separate pixels
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  861. # [19:25] <David_Bradbury> That's an easy way to implement it by drawing a small line rather than a single pixel. If you want to use the actual method, you'd use ImageData
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  864. # [19:26] <David_Bradbury> See also: http://beej.us/blog/data/html5s-canvas-2-pixel/
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  870. # [19:30] <bencc> this is a pencil implementation http://jsfiddle.net/NWBV4/10/
  871. # [19:30] <bencc> but it doesn't look better :)
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  873. # [19:32] <onr> it uses quadraticCurveTo
  874. # [19:32] <onr> use ImageData as David_Bradbury told
  875. # [19:33] <David_Bradbury> "If you want to use the actual method, you'd use ImageData"
  876. # [19:33] <David_Bradbury> See also: http://beej.us/blog/data/html5s-canvas-2-pixel/
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  878. # [19:37] <sunbeam> social media icon/links on a site, where are they best? <a> with a background? or <a><img>
  879. # [19:37] <JoeSlote> sunbeam I have a very similar question
  880. # [19:38] <bencc> David_Bradbury: I saw the link and I understand what ImageData does but I still need to calculate the path between two pixels myself
  881. # [19:38] <JoeSlote> for links that are just images, should the images be bg images?
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  885. # [19:39] <David_Bradbury> Yup
  886. # [19:39] <David_Bradbury> Sorry, that was to bencc
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  888. # [19:39] <David_Bradbury> JoeSlote: It depends on what the purpose of the image is
  889. # [19:40] <sunbeam> David_Bradbury: facebook link
  890. # [19:41] <bencc> David_Bradbury: this is almost good but it has some blank pixels when you draw http://jsfiddle.net/KC9Kz/4/
  891. # [19:41] <David_Bradbury> Then take a look at what I said in #html :) @ sunbeam
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  894. # [19:42] <David_Bradbury> bencc: Yup, you'll just have to write a method that makes sure there aren't gaps in the line
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  897. # [19:43] <onr> search line drawing algorithms
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  900. # [19:46] <bencc> thanks
  901. # [19:46] <pinage404> tagazok / re
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  944. # [20:43] <d4rklit3> hiyo
  945. # [20:43] <d4rklit3> im looking to use some blend modes in my canvas
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  959. # [20:55] <JoeSlote> Hey should a list of image links be done as <li><a><img /></a></li> or as <li><a></a><li> with a background image?
  960. # [20:56] <David_Bradbury> JoeSlote: Already answered your question
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  962. # [20:56] <JoeSlote> Oh! I'm so sorry I accidentally disconnected
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  964. # [20:57] <David_Bradbury> If the image has semantic meaning, (such as a social network icon, etc...), you should use <img>
  965. # [20:57] <David_Bradbury> If it is purely decoration and a part of the style of the site, it should be a background image
  966. # [20:59] <JoeSlote> gotcha. Thanks!
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