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  103. # [01:37] <martisj> when creating assets for our site is there any downside to serving up the retina image for non-retina displays other than increased bandwidth?
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  110. # [01:40] <hober> there are a number of tradeoffs
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  120. # [01:53] <martisj> hober: like memory usage and performance on the client machine?
  121. # [01:53] <hober> sure
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  154. # [02:37] <benbro> does it make sense to use requestAnimationFrame when using a pencil tool in a drawing app?
  155. # [02:37] <benbro> instead of just drawing on mousemove events?
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  687. # [12:54] <_basic6> how do i make an input field which only allows integer numbers >=1 (default) ?
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  690. # [13:01] <xec> <input type="number" min="1" value="1">
  691. # [13:02] <xec> you'll ned a shim to make it work cross-browser, i doubt it's widely supported
  692. # [13:02] <xec> _basic6 ^
  693. # [13:05] <_basic6> does it work in firefox?
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  695. # [13:06] <xec> i dont think so. try it and see
  696. # [13:07] <xec> i haven't tried it, but google found me http://demo.dsheiko.com/html5formshim/ which looks promising
  697. # [13:08] <_basic6> it works
  698. # [13:08] <_basic6> thanks
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  794. # [15:10] <meowface> hey
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  797. # [15:10] <meowface> http://pastebin.com/wgZibrZd
  798. # [15:10] <meowface> can someone help me with this?
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  802. # [15:13] <meowface> http://pastebin.com/wgZibrZd
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  805. # [15:15] <dahlfors> sounds like a test for school, that you should figure out yourself :)
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  807. # [15:17] <dahlfors> meowface: you should be able to find out here, http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-author/
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  809. # [15:17] <meowface> haha i should :)
  810. # [15:17] <meowface> i will read that :D
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  812. # [15:17] <meowface> thank you
  813. # [15:18] <meowface> is source just the location of the media?
  814. # [15:19] <meowface> haha i think i am being stupid haha
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  817. # [15:20] <dahlfors> meowface: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/source
  818. # [15:20] <dahlfors> also have a look at webplatform.org
  819. # [15:20] <dahlfors> that is a new site intended to become the resource for all people doing web development
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  821. # [15:20] <dahlfors> still in the works, but will become very valuable very quickly, I suspect
  822. # [15:21] <dahlfors> it's a wiki, in early stages. but there's some useful information already
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  826. # [15:23] <meowface> thank you :)
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  828. # [15:30] <Kuifje> "The HTML <audio> element is used to represents sound content in documents. Added as part of HTML5, it may contain several audio sources, represented using the src attribute or the <source> element; the browser will choose the most suitable one. Fallback content for browser not supporting the <audio> element can be added too."
  829. # [15:30] <Kuifje> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Element/audio
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  831. # [15:31] <Kuifje> only a and b are true as far as I know
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  838. # [15:35] <meowface> how come not c and d to?
  839. # [15:36] <Kuifje> depends on how you interpret I guess
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  841. # [15:36] <Kuifje> I read it as "it must be used when using a video/audio tag"
  842. # [15:36] <Kuifje> but you can also read it as "when you apply it, it must be nested in the video/aduio tag"
  843. # [15:37] <Kuifje> in which case it is true
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  847. # [15:38] <meowface> thank you :)
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  918. # [17:09] <toogreen> hello there. I got an <h4> tag which displays kind of like a pill, looks nice and contains a title, but i want its width to match with the lenght of the text.. how to do that?
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  920. # [17:14] <Pomax> toogreen, you can declare it as an inline-block, but then it won't force the next block on its own line unless you make sure the <h4> is wrapped in <header> or some other display:block styled element
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  922. # [17:18] <toogreen> Pomax: Thanks! It works!
  923. # [17:19] <Pomax> np
  924. # [17:20] <toogreen> Pomax: what I did was making the parent element (a colored background div) display:block, however now its content is a bit weird, the first like in indented somehow... u know what may cause this?
  925. # [17:20] <Pomax> "first like"?
  926. # [17:20] <toogreen> Pomax: The first "line" i meant
  927. # [17:20] <toogreen> sorry
  928. # [17:20] <Pomax> ah
  929. # [17:20] <Pomax> not offhand, do you have it as a jsfiddle.net example?
  930. # [17:21] <toogreen> hold on
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  933. # [17:22] <toogreen> Pomax Try this http://jsfiddle.net/toogreen/kGXc4/
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  935. # [17:23] <Pomax> yes, I meant you need to wrap the <h4> in its entirety.
  936. # [17:23] <Pomax> i.e. http://jsfiddle.net/kGXc4/1/
  937. # [17:24] * abstractj is now known as abstractj|lunch
  938. # [17:25] <toogreen> Pomax, I can't seem to find the difference in the code, what did you add/change?
  939. # [17:25] <Pomax> notice that the <h4> is now wrapped in <div>...</div>
  940. # [17:26] <toogreen> Oh! Got it! Thanks man :-D
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  942. # [17:28] <toogreen> brb
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  956. # [17:37] <jarek> Hi
  957. # [17:38] <jarek> is there a method that would allow me to adjust the indentation of HTML and SVG markup?
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  959. # [17:39] <jarek> I would like to make the output of innerHTML more readable
  960. # [17:39] <Pomax> indentation where?
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  964. # [17:41] <jarek> Pomax: I would like the tags to be indented like in tree structure
  965. # [17:41] <Pomax> yes but indented where? in the console? on the page?
  966. # [17:42] <jarek> Pomax: in the string
  967. # [17:42] <jarek> Pomax: basically, I need to insert some spaces between tags
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  969. # [17:43] <Pomax> that might change the actual interpretation, as minor warning
  970. # [17:43] <jarek> Pomax: wait... but this string is created from DOM nodes
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  972. # [17:43] <jarek> Pomax: so a solution that creates pretty-printed string from DOM tree would work for me too
  973. # [17:44] <Pomax> right, but whitespace between <a> and <img> for instance, generated by formatting with some newlines, is <a><#TEXT><img>, and renders differently from <a><img>
  974. # [17:44] <Pomax> so pretty printing would be the last step and you wouldn't be able to reliably further use that reprinted string
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  976. # [17:45] <jarek> Pomax: yeah, inline elements should not be indented
  977. # [17:46] <Pomax> and inline can come from CSS, so just .innerHTML wouldn't give you enough information to safely pretty print.
  978. # [17:46] <jarek> but indenting block elements improves readability a lot
  979. # [17:46] <Pomax> no argument there, jumbled giant block of html is not pleasant
  980. # [17:46] <Pomax> if you want this to see the html structure, rather than for editing, you could do DOM walking instead.
  981. # [17:46] <jarek> are there any native alternatives to innerHTML?
  982. # [17:47] <Pomax> pretty printing it yourself from .children
  983. # [17:47] <jarek> I have found XMLSerializer(), but it has the same issue
  984. # [17:47] <jarek> Pomax: wouldn't that be slow?
  985. # [17:47] <Pomax> how often are you going to call it?
  986. # [17:47] <jarek> Pomax: every time when user saves a document
  987. # [17:49] <Pomax> that would make it start to sound like a document mirror would be more efficient. create nested serialisers for each element, only update the serialiser associated with updated content. But then we're definitely no longer in the out-of-the-box domain I think.
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  997. # [17:53] <jarek_> ping
  998. # [17:53] <jarek_> sorry, I lost my connection
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  1057. # [18:51] <apucacao> does anyone use the html5shiv with RedactorJS? In IE8 redactor throws an "Invalid Argument" error when the html5shiv is included. as far as i can tell, all arguments are valid elements.
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  1066. # [19:00] <jn> just finished www.makeitgo.ws
  1067. # [19:00] <jn> what yall think?
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  1077. # [19:09] <Pomax> jn: needs key handlers for left/right cursor keys
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  1080. # [19:12] <jn> you mean globally or just when in the scroll mode?
  1081. # [19:13] <Pomax> globally. since you're doing full page replacements, using the cursors is an intuitive control
  1082. # [19:13] <Pomax> (c.f. Flickr, Imgur, etc)
  1083. # [19:13] <Pomax> *cf.
  1084. # [19:14] <jn> yeah, but I'm bit hesitant to add it. i might want to use the keys for some page
  1085. # [19:14] <jn> perhaps with a modifier
  1086. # [19:15] <Pomax> your site is a deck at this point. cursor keys ftw =)
  1087. # [19:15] <Pomax> (looks nice though)
  1088. # [19:16] <jn> thanks
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  1090. # [19:16] <jn> hehe yeah it's a bit power pointy
  1091. # [19:16] <Pomax> I don't remember powerpoint having fancy gears.
  1092. # [19:16] <Pomax> if it does, I should reconsider my opinion of it.
  1093. # [19:17] <jn> haha
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  1189. # [21:22] <paul_irish> Pomax: http://lab.maltewassermann.com/viewport-resizer/
  1190. # [21:23] <Pomax> interesting timing, I just found it a few minutes ago again, too. thanks though!
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