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# Session Start: Thu Dec 13 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:47] <RatherOutspoken> o/
# [00:47] <RatherOutspoken> Developing a site that needs a database. So I figured O
# [00:47] <RatherOutspoken> bleh
# [00:47] <RatherOutspoken> *So I figured I'd stick OSX Server in a virtual machine, and use that.
# [00:48] <RatherOutspoken> But in trying to keep it strictly local, by changing the network settings to Host Only, I have no idea how to connect to it now.
# [00:48] <RatherOutspoken> Any ideas?
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# [00:49] <lanken> so...
# [00:50] <lanken> things drawn on the <canvas> aren't accessible through DOM, right?
# [00:50] <RatherOutspoken> Nope.
# [00:50] <lanken> is there a workaround for mouseover events?
# [00:51] <RatherOutspoken> Use an API like EaselJS.
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# [00:54] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: is this what people are using to make those HTML5 games?
# [00:54] <RatherOutspoken> There's more than one library
# [00:54] <RatherOutspoken> But yeah, it's used widely
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# [00:58] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: it's pretty amazing that we have this stuff. Whenever I hear about how "HTML5 is still under development," in the tech press, (especially in things written for non-technical people), it seems like they just don't get it
# [00:58] <RatherOutspoken> I've been building sites using HTML5 since 2008.
# [00:58] <lanken> open source and open standards just get better, and better, and better, until they win.
# [00:58] <RatherOutspoken> The only ones who don't want it being considered "developed" are in the IE camp.
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# [01:03] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: what are the other best libraries for canvas, and for games?
# [01:03] <RatherOutspoken> three.js is good for 3d
# [01:03] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: I'm working on a database-driven persistent game
# [01:03] <RatherOutspoken> But I haven't looked into it in awhile
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# [01:04] <lanken> I wonder, can I take a "canvas" element and apply a perspective transform to it? that's in jquery for divs and such
# [01:06] <RatherOutspoken> You can.
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# [01:09] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: and the cartesian plane of the <canvas> will be transformed too, right? that would be my guess.
# [01:10] <RatherOutspoken> Not sure what that is
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# [01:18] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: when working with the canvas you use x,y coordinates, with 0,0 in the top left
# [01:18] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: that's all i mean when I say the cartesian plane
# [01:20] <RatherOutspoken> Think of the canvas as a bitmap.
# [01:21] <RatherOutspoken> That's essentially how it behaves relative to everything else.
# [01:21] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: right, cool.
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# [01:21] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: woah, EaselJS is like 12 MB
# [01:21] <lanken> grabbing their .zip
# [01:22] <RatherOutspoken> It's also extremely capable.
# [01:23] <lanken> RatherOutspoken: cool, I just hope I don't have to have people load all of that with every pageview
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# [02:43] <roy___> So i would like to use the Gill Sans font on my website, but its not supported properly in Windows as opposed to OSX .. Is there some way i can make this work on both platforms ?
# [02:44] <roy___> Can i embed in some way ?
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# [03:01] <sunbeam> i need to have blockquote inside /j
# [03:01] <sunbeam> inside <p
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# [03:23] <roy___> Ok i just embedded the gill sans font thats installed on my Mac
# [03:24] <roy___> but it windows it still looks different from what it looks like in OSX
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# [05:16] <drag0nius> dynamically determined, but equal in all <td> s
# [05:16] <drag0nius> so like cell containing 123 wont be wider than one containing 1
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# [06:11] <WeThePeople> how do i put a container around the text so it wont go outside its bounds while i type
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# [06:13] <d4rklit3> hi
# [06:14] <d4rklit3> can some1 recommend the "ultimate" solution for web video encoding
# [06:14] * d4rklit3 waits for somebody to say flash
# [06:16] <asher^> im wrestling with this right now actually
# [06:16] <d4rklit3> h264
# [06:16] <d4rklit3> is the missing one
# [06:16] <d4rklit3> : (
# [06:16] <asher^> im using video.js, it is not bad but the flash fallback in firefox (when only an h264 is supplied) doesnt work
# [06:17] <asher^> to keep storage costs down im trying to go for h264/flash instead of providing multiple encodings of the videos
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# [06:19] <asher^> ive posted questions about this, but in the mean time im going to look for a different player
# [06:20] <d4rklit3> i have a custom video implement
# [06:20] <d4rklit3> the problem
# [06:20] <d4rklit3> is that the browser things that it can play it
# [06:20] <d4rklit3> but fails
# [06:20] <d4rklit3> so the fallback wont work
# [06:20] <d4rklit3> it just sits there
# [06:20] <d4rklit3> on 0:00
# [06:20] <d4rklit3> doesnt throw any events
# [06:21] <asher^> what codec and browser?
# [06:21] <d4rklit3> Safari 5.1
# [06:21] <d4rklit3> is the red herring
# [06:21] <d4rklit3> eveyrthing is fine
# [06:21] <asher^> what codec?
# [06:21] <d4rklit3> h264-advanced
# [06:21] <asher^> whats the advanced thing?
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# [06:22] <d4rklit3> its what they tell yo uto use
# [06:22] <d4rklit3> h264
# [06:22] <d4rklit3> w/e
# [06:23] <d4rklit3> ok
# [06:23] <d4rklit3> well
# [06:23] <d4rklit3> Adobe Media Encoder
# [06:23] <d4rklit3> is super fail
# [06:23] <d4rklit3> to the max
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# [06:25] <d4rklit3> u know what fuck them
# [06:25] <d4rklit3> they can figure this shit out
# [06:25] <d4rklit3> im not a video exper
# [06:25] <d4rklit3> t
# [06:25] <d4rklit3> i dont have safari 5.1
# [06:25] <d4rklit3> what can i do
# [06:27] <tw2113> welcome to the codec wars
# [06:28] <tw2113> if you want to get all the browsers, i think you'll want h.264 and webm
# [06:28] <tw2113> i suggest trying out vid.ly
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# [06:29] <d4rklit3> how much?
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> man i dont have time for API's
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> i just need an encoder
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> this site needs to be done
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> in like 2 weeks
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> 1.5 weeks ago
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> ive spent too much time on video
# [06:29] <tw2113> youtube.com embed?
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# [06:29] <d4rklit3> clients problem now
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> videos are licensed
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> to fox
# [06:29] <d4rklit3> im sure they want to self host
# [06:30] <d4rklit3> i just need encoding software
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# [06:32] <d4rklit3> i hate the web so much sometimes :(
# [06:33] <tw2113> it has its ups and downs, but given that it gave me a career, i go easy on the web most of the time
# [06:34] <d4rklit3> ;)
# [06:34] <d4rklit3> im bitter
# [06:34] <tw2113> the people who use it?fair game
# [06:35] <d4rklit3> working like 14 hour days
# [06:35] <d4rklit3> and got sick
# [06:35] <d4rklit3> so now im hating life
# [06:39] <d4rklit3> i want to play farcry : (
# [06:41] <thatryan> far cry is so epic
# [06:43] <d4rklit3> it is good
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# [06:43] <d4rklit3> i havent played in like a week
# [06:43] <d4rklit3> because of this project
# [06:43] <d4rklit3> need extra money :)
# [06:43] <d4rklit3> dont need the stress
# [06:43] <d4rklit3> i got another one right after this
# [06:43] <d4rklit3> but all node.js
# [06:43] <d4rklit3> so it will like a vacation in comparison
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# [07:05] <thatryan> is it better to load google fonts via the simple css file link, or to use the JS, or fontloader? Or is DLing the fonts and using font-face directly the best? Opinions?
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# [07:17] <d4rklit3> well self hosting
# [07:17] <d4rklit3> is always best
# [07:17] <d4rklit3> but google doesnt give you the webfont
# [07:17] <d4rklit3> you have to go to fontsquirrel or something and reconvert em
# [07:18] <thatryan> yeah
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# [08:01] <WeThePeople> hi
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# [11:33] <EdwardIII> hey, i'm looking for a good resource on how to play some music in a way that's going to be cross-compatible between ie8, webkit based and iOS devices?
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# [13:02] <w00tner> Edward check "52 Framework" http://demo.52framework.com/demos/html5/full.html
# [13:03] <Moo^_^> EdwardIII: http://mediaelementjs.com/ this has flash fallback
# [13:04] <Moo^_^> for people using ugly browsers
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# [13:28] <EdwardIII> thanks both
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# [14:20] <drag0nius> is there something like treeview in html?
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# [14:28] <roy___> help please
# [14:28] <roy___> i need some font type that looks the fucking same on both windows and mac
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# [14:53] <sunbeam> a list of comments, this should be best <ol> right?
# [14:53] <sunbeam> semantically
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# [15:04] <dahlfors> roy___: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/04/24/a-closer-look-at-font-rendering/
# [15:04] <dahlfors> read that
# [15:04] <dahlfors> the short answer is: impossible
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# [15:24] <Moo^_^> roy___: you can always use images instead of text if you find browser rendering techniques too limited for your artistic taste :)
# [15:27] <roy___> well i mean i'm just using fonts like tahoma, verdana
# [15:27] <roy___> but display in chrome is different from firefox
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# [15:27] <roy___> and different all together if you compare mac to windows
# [15:28] <roy___> but meh ..
# [15:31] <Moo^_^> roy___: why it should be the same in the first place?
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# [15:32] <roy___> well i mean really stuff overlapping
# [15:32] <roy___> so that it becomes unreadable and things like that
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# [15:40] <roy___> I have tested on chrome on three different computers here as well as my ipad works fine
# [15:40] <roy___> someone else i know looks at my site in chrome
# [15:40] <roy___> its completely scrambled up
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# [15:47] <EdwardIII> hey, just having a little tinkle on the PDO. i've got a DB table with 960 rows, but when i extract the info with PDO i only get 9 rows?
# [15:48] <dahlfors> roy___: tell them to press ctrl+0 in windows, cmd+0 on mac
# [15:48] <EdwardIII> er sorry wrong chan
# [15:49] <dahlfors> quite often is the culprit with users...
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# [15:50] <HashNuke> apart from onmessage, what other events are available in web workers?
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# [16:51] <roy___> dahlfors: Seems you have a point, this person logged in on the same laptop as another user and it looked fine in chrome there
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# [17:12] <sunbeam> comment contents?
# [17:12] <sunbeam> should it be <article> ? anyone
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# [17:19] <Jon47> sunbeam: not sure of the official definition but i get the sense that "article" tags should be used in the case where each item is a similar type of content that could stand on its own
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# [17:19] <Jon47> i don't know if i'd say a comment could stand on its own - it's only relevent when placed in the context of the article or other comment that it's commenting on
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# [17:22] <HashNuke> Is it possible to disable physics for an entity in impact?
# [17:22] <HashNuke> Or checking the collision map.
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# [17:26] <HashNuke> Hmm… I'm trying to find some way to improve my framerate.
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# [17:47] <Jon47> sunbeam: the w3.org definition is pretty vague but i think it says somewhat the same thing: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/article.html
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# [19:00] <roy___> on a light background with black colored text whats a nice color for a rollover
# [19:01] <roy___> on the text i mean
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# [19:10] <austincheney> roy___: start with anything of sufficient contrast
# [19:10] <austincheney> beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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# [20:55] <emaiax> Hello, someone already used screen/audio capture on HTML5?
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# [21:05] <Moo^_^> roy___: http://mudcu.be/sphere/
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# [22:10] <roy___> Ok so in every single browser i check safari, chrome , firefox (both MAC and Windows) , ie also on ipad it looks like this http://i.imgur.com/LwLbL.png except for firefox on MAC where it looks like this ... http://i.imgur.com/8AzaS.png
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# [22:10] <roy___> i fixed every other single issue i had ..
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# [22:19] <tantek> roy__ if you really want the table headings to not wrap, you could do a th { white-space:nowrap }
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# [22:22] <roy___> tantek: not sure what thats supposed to to do but it changes nothing
# [22:25] <mstalfoort> roy___, can you make a jsfiddle version, so we can play with it?
# [22:25] <roy___> eeeh
# [22:25] <roy___> perhaps
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# [22:27] <tantek> roy___ I presumed you were referring to the 2nd table column heading wrapping in one image and not the other.
# [22:27] <tantek> unless you have other style rules setting white-space, that should cause the table column heading to not wrap (unless you're not using <th> to markup a table column heading)
# [22:28] <roy___> tantek: well i suppose thats because firefox renders the font in the heading larger than all the other browsers
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# [22:28] <tantek> roy___ expect font differences across browsers/devices - all hope of controlling that was lost long ago.
# [22:28] <roy___> its just Verdana so ...
# [22:29] <tantek> and many mobile devices lack Verdana so ...
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# [22:30] <roy___> i guess its geneva on mobile devices in that case
# [22:30] <roy___> but anyway .. its not that big of a problem, only people browsing firefox on a mac will notice
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# [22:32] <roy___> still a little disturbing ;)
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# [22:34] <roy___> tantek: Excuse me your solution does work
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# [22:35] <tantek> oh cool ok
# [22:35] <roy___> tantek: i was reloading the wrong window
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