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  24. # [00:51] <roy___> anyone have some experience with the new internet explorer ?
  25. # [00:52] <austincheney> IE10?
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  38. # [01:11] <paul_irish> roy___: ?
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  43. # [01:14] <roy___> eeh Yeah
  44. # [01:15] <roy___> sorry
  45. # [01:15] <roy___> when i load my site all gradients are gone, i already figured it out there's some other css thingie to describe gradients for IE10
  46. # [01:16] <roy___> but i don't understand why it just won't overload some of the ones already established
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  48. # [01:16] <paul_irish> afaik its prefix less
  49. # [01:16] <roy___> seeing it does exactly the same ...
  50. # [01:16] <paul_irish> background-image: linear-gradient(to bottom, #444444, #999999);
  51. # [01:16] <paul_irish> works in ie10
  52. # [01:16] <roy___> oh really
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  55. # [01:17] <roy___> probably thats the one i haven't included then
  56. # [01:17] <paul_irish> probably.
  57. # [01:17] <austincheney> that is the cleanest syntax i have ever seen for CSS gradient
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  59. # [01:17] <austincheney> i favor avoiding css gradients for the moment because the syntax looks horrible in other browsers and is wildly not standard
  60. # [01:17] <paul_irish> austincheney: here's the screenshot from that copypaste http://paulirish.com/i/81d8d0.png
  61. # [01:17] <austincheney> thanks
  62. # [01:17] <paul_irish> it's standard now
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  64. # [01:18] <paul_irish> just use a mixin
  65. # [01:18] <paul_irish> fuck the batshit syntax.
  66. # [01:18] <roy___> austincheney: seems to be working in all modern browsers though
  67. # [01:18] <austincheney> lol
  68. # [01:18] <austincheney> awesome
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  70. # [01:20] <austincheney> I wish modern versions of IE were not limited by OS, because not everybody is using IE9 and while its CSS support rocks I still have to contend with IE8 that is minus all the CSS3 goodness
  71. # [01:22] <paul_irish> anyone in here use WebDriver?
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  75. # [01:30] * austincheney is looking up webDriver
  76. # [01:35] <onr> austincheney: i guess ie8's share is under 10%
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  79. # [01:36] <austincheney> i am going to look up IE8 market share at my company and on my tool
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  88. # [01:48] <austincheney> my personal site clearly does not reflect general web traffic
  89. # [01:48] <austincheney> IE total is 9.9%, Firefox is 27%, and Chrome is 51%
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  91. # [01:48] <austincheney> IE8 is 2.6%
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  93. # [01:50] <phiofn> hi
  94. # [01:51] <austincheney> hello
  95. # [01:52] <phiofn> sorry to interrupt the going topic
  96. # [01:52] <phiofn> i need to ask a question
  97. # [01:53] <phiofn> actually I'm seeking advice
  98. # [01:53] <phiofn> and it is not related to html5
  99. # [01:53] <austincheney> is webdriver QA automation in the browser like selenium?
  100. # [01:53] <phiofn> i have just graduated
  101. # [01:53] <austincheney> the w3c spec really sounds like selenium
  102. # [01:53] <austincheney> phiofn: just ask
  103. # [01:53] <phiofn> and have two options in my hand
  104. # [01:54] <phiofn> either be a TA in my faculty
  105. # [01:54] <phiofn> or a job offer in a big software company in USA
  106. # [01:54] <phiofn> how can i choose between both ?
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  108. # [01:54] <phiofn> either pure industry or pure academic
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  110. # [01:54] <carminec> what's the job?
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  112. # [01:55] <austincheney> phiofn: where is your university?
  113. # [01:55] <carminec> like, what will you be working on?
  114. # [01:55] <phiofn> SDET at microsoft
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  116. # [01:55] <carminec> what is SDET?
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  119. # [01:55] <phiofn> software development engineer in TEST
  120. # [01:55] <carminec> ah
  121. # [01:55] <carminec> so c#?
  122. # [01:55] <phiofn> austincheney, my university is in my country ... a developing country in africa
  123. # [01:56] <phiofn> carlos_antonio, don't know specifically .. but i guess c# , c/c++
  124. # [01:56] <phiofn> carminec, don't know specifically .. but i guess c# , c/c++
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  126. # [01:56] <carminec> well, TA is a good idea if you want to do graduate work
  127. # [01:56] <carminec> any interest in a masters?
  128. # [01:56] <austincheney> phiofn: what is your interest in doing both?
  129. # [01:57] <austincheney> are you trying to become a teacher/professor?
  130. # [01:57] <phiofn> i love learning new stuff
  131. # [01:57] <phiofn> i learnt about html5 and canvas on my own
  132. # [01:58] <phiofn> made my own app and reached the semi finalist in google api challenge
  133. # [01:58] <phiofn> i love learning some technical stuff two
  134. # [01:58] <phiofn> too*
  135. # [01:58] <austincheney> if you have the time to do 2 forms of simultaneous employment I would strongly recommend it, but with some limitations
  136. # [01:58] <phiofn> i finished the machine learning course on coursera
  137. # [01:59] <austincheney> dictate one employer as your primary and seriously scale down your partification in the other
  138. # [01:59] <phiofn> finished half of the NLP course
  139. # [01:59] <phiofn> i can't do both
  140. # [01:59] <phiofn> they are in different countries :)
  141. # [01:59] <austincheney> :(
  142. # [01:59] <austincheney> then I would take the offer at Microsoft
  143. # [01:59] <austincheney> you can always attend a different university later
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  145. # [02:00] <phiofn> austincheney, and would leave your country for that ?
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  147. # [02:00] <phiofn> austincheney, your family , your relateives... etc ?
  148. # [02:00] <austincheney> yes, but my experience is not common
  149. # [02:01] <austincheney> I have two employers
  150. # [02:01] <austincheney> I am a senior strategy analyst/developer for a major e-commerce company and also a information assurance and knowledge management expert for my secondary employer
  151. # [02:01] <austincheney> my second employer is military
  152. # [02:02] <carminec> austincheney: holy crap
  153. # [02:02] <austincheney> I am about to start my 3rd deployment on the otherside of the world from my family
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  155. # [02:02] <austincheney> i hate to say you get used to it, but you figure out how to manage various roles simultaneously
  156. # [02:03] <austincheney> the experience I have gained from dual employment has been tremendous
  157. # [02:04] <austincheney> I have unique experiences that others at my primary employement are not capable of understanding that lend towards management and self-education
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  159. # [02:07] <austincheney> a peon in the military, provided sufficient experience and maturity, has leadership capabilities comparable to many corporate directors though the military peon would be comparitively lacking education (master's degree) and some technical skills
  160. # [02:07] <austincheney> though that distinction tends to be less true in the reserves where many of those peons are working on their masters
  161. # [02:07] <carminec> i notice a certain sang froid amongst the military peeps
  162. # [02:08] <carminec> cool under pressure
  163. # [02:08] <austincheney> When you get shot at and commonly work 12-14 hour days, a heated corporate meeting is relatively trivial
  164. # [02:09] <carminec> pretty much
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  166. # [02:09] <austincheney> not that i have been shot at though
  167. # [02:09] <carminec> well there it is, phiofn, you should go into the military
  168. # [02:09] <carminec> :p
  169. # [02:09] <phiofn> carminec, :)
  170. # [02:09] <austincheney> i would take the Microsoft offer
  171. # [02:10] <phiofn> actually military is obligatory in our country
  172. # [02:10] <phiofn> but since i have no brothers ... i was exmpted
  173. # [02:10] <carminec> wow
  174. # [02:10] <carminec> interesting
  175. # [02:10] <austincheney> Microsoft is known for being extremely good at taking care of immigrant employees
  176. # [02:10] <carminec> i think austincheney is right.
  177. # [02:10] <phiofn> austincheney, i heard that
  178. # [02:10] <phiofn> but iam thinking about immigration
  179. # [02:11] <phiofn> is it a good thing to do ?
  180. # [02:11] <carminec> they should take care of that
  181. # [02:11] <austincheney> you would probably enter the US with a visa with MS as your sponsor
  182. # [02:11] <phiofn> austincheney, yes... an h1b visa
  183. # [02:11] <austincheney> after 5 years of residence you could apply for citizenship
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  185. # [02:12] <phiofn> austincheney, you think this is a good thing ?
  186. # [02:12] <austincheney> oh yeah, its a good thing unless you have other better offers on the table
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  188. # [02:13] <phiofn> i was talking about immigration
  189. # [02:13] <phiofn> would you leave france for a job offer ?
  190. # [02:13] <austincheney> i have no doubt it will be hard going into a different country with different cultural norms, but with a bit of determination those things are easily adaptable around
  191. # [02:14] <austincheney> phiofn: France is different, because France is not known for allowing dual citizenship
  192. # [02:14] <austincheney> that makes hard to apply for citizenship elsewhere
  193. # [02:15] <phiofn> US citizenship needs more than 5 years
  194. # [02:15] <phiofn> green card is doable within 5 years
  195. # [02:15] <phiofn> but citizen ship is another story
  196. # [02:15] <austincheney> ah ok
  197. # [02:15] <austincheney> maybe i was thinking about permanent residency
  198. # [02:16] <phiofn> may be
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  200. # [02:16] <phiofn> to tired ot thinking
  201. # [02:16] <phiofn> too*
  202. # [02:17] <phiofn> life sucks ...
  203. # [02:17] <phiofn> and have no undo button
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  206. # [02:18] <austincheney> you should look at life as a series of opportunities
  207. # [02:18] <austincheney> you have to grab and take opportunity to increase your wealth and happiness
  208. # [02:19] <austincheney> some opportunities require some risk
  209. # [02:19] <carminec> well said
  210. # [02:21] <austincheney> if you wait too long some of those opportunties will no longer be available
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  212. # [02:21] <austincheney> the end result is what provides you the most fulfillment
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  261. # [03:42] <rossdc> Ok! I'm an idiot using Zurb Foundation with Symfony2 to design a website, on my registration form I have "<a id="addAddressButton" class="tiny button" href="#">Add address</a><input class="tiny button" type="submit" value="{{ 'registration.submit'|trans({}, 'FOSUserBundle') }}">", this produces two buttons right next to each other, how would I separate them so one is on the left of the div and the other on the right
  262. # [03:42] <rossdc> I am on oldschool horrible HTML developer that would love to dump a <table> in there just to space them out
  263. # [03:42] <rossdc> I know this is now considered not cool
  264. # [03:46] <rossdc> Anyone?
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  270. # [03:57] <carminec> that is a little spcialized :)
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  324. # [06:11] <WeThePeople> hi
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  326. # [06:13] <WeThePeople> what does IDL stand for?
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  330. # [06:18] <Moo^_^> WeThePeople: interface definition language
  331. # [06:18] <Moo^_^> WeThePeople: one sec
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  333. # [06:19] <Moo^_^> WeThePeople: here http://stackoverflow.com/a/13829019/315168
  334. # [06:19] <WeThePeople> thankyou
  335. # [06:19] <WeThePeople> this is what i found>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/idl-definitions.html
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  351. # [07:07] <WeThePeople> are there any html5 lists with all the elements available?
  352. # [07:08] <Moo^_^> WeThePeople: yes
  353. # [07:08] <Moo^_^> WeThePeople: google tells you http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/elements.html
  354. # [07:09] <Moo^_^> though you should not use such lists for any development purposes as the list is in the constant change, naturally
  355. # [07:09] <WeThePeople> thankyou
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  359. # [07:14] <WeThePeople> moo^_^, is w3 google site?
  360. # [07:14] <Moo^_^> WeThePeople: no
  361. # [07:15] <Moo^_^> the link is the first result if you google "html5 elements"
  362. # [07:15] <WeThePeople> lol
  363. # [07:15] <Moo^_^> we appreciate self-studying effort :)
  364. # [07:15] <WeThePeople> well i was lookin for somthin special
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  366. # [07:16] <WeThePeople> i am excited about the <section></> tags!!
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  368. # [07:22] <WeThePeople> instead of <div></> or <span></>
  369. # [07:23] <Moo^_^> yes, new tags make markup little more semantic and readable
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  388. # [07:59] * itrufeng I want replace relative path to absolute in html. like html base url . How to do…?
  389. # [08:00] <Moo^_^> itrufeng: this might help http://www.joezimjs.com/javascript/the-lazy-mans-url-parsing/
  390. # [08:00] <itrufeng> Moo^_^: thank you.
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  393. # [08:10] <hemanth_> itrufeng, one more lazy man here http://www.h3manth.com/content/parsing-query-string-javascript
  394. # [08:11] <hemanth_> bot-t, soruce
  395. # [08:11] <bot-t> hemanth_, Source Code - jQuery Wiki - This is the full source code for jQuery. The code, itself, is written rather cleanly -- in an attempt to be self-documenting. If you've spotted some areas of code that could be improved, feel free ... http://docs.jquery.com/Source_Code
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  397. # [08:11] <hemanth_> bot-t,help
  398. # [08:11] <hemanth_> bot-t, help
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  401. # [08:11] <itrufeng> hemanth_: thank you very much.
  402. # [08:12] <hemanth_> itrufeng, np
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  436. # [09:23] <RatherOutspoken> So weird. If I push an object into an array with a 'contents' value set as an empty array, the array receives an empty object. If I change 'contents' to null, anything else, or if I put something in the array, it's fine. But (and here's where it's REALLY odd), if I set it as null, and swap it with an empty array AFTER I console.log the array, the console.log changes to reflect it, and shows an empty object! That's not logical b
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  438. # [09:24] <RatherOutspoken> It's like the console.log (or array in general) knows what's about to happen
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  546. # [13:45] <HardDisk_WP> Hi all
  547. # [13:45] <HardDisk_WP> How do I debug why a mp4 video won't play on iPad? I'm using video.js
  548. # [13:45] <HardDisk_WP> Plays fine on PC, but on the iOS devices the loading spinner loads forever
  549. # [13:45] <HardDisk_WP> and when using the safari-debug feature, then inspect the resources, then the video is there but it also shows the spinner
  550. # [13:46] <HardDisk_WP> and nothing in request or response headers
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  578. # [14:56] <alcuadrado> Hi! some time ago I read that there was some kind of fork in the HTML5 spec, (smth like whatwg and w3c's one working on their own) but didn't have the time to read more about it. Is that correct?
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  609. # [15:50] <roy___> I want to use a pop-up to show a larger version of a picture when clicked on .. i'm not sure though are popups still an acceptable thing to have ?
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  614. # [16:01] <alcuadrado> roy___, popup or a lightbox-like layer?
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  616. # [16:01] <roy___> alcuadrado: Well i was thinking popup but what you say might be a better idea, do you have any examples of that ?
  617. # [16:02] <alcuadrado> sure: http://lokeshdhakar.com/projects/lightbox2/
  618. # [16:02] <eindoofus> hi, I was just wondering what is better to learn first after HTML4 & CSS2, should I first look at HTML5 or CSS3?
  619. # [16:04] <eindoofus> or does it not even matter?
  620. # [16:04] <alcuadrado> do you know javascript eindoofus ?
  621. # [16:04] <eindoofus> I do know a little, and I'm learning some jQuery at the moment
  622. # [16:05] <eindoofus> after the jQuery I was thinking about learning HTML5 or CSS3
  623. # [16:05] <dahlfors> if you know css2, css3 is basically the same
  624. # [16:05] <dahlfors> just some new features
  625. # [16:05] <alcuadrado> the same for html5
  626. # [16:05] <dahlfors> yep
  627. # [16:06] <dahlfors> some new elements and minor changes, but similar
  628. # [16:06] <alcuadrado> so you can pick the features you want, and learn one by one
  629. # [16:06] <dahlfors> guess the html5 boilerplate could be a nice thing to play with and learn
  630. # [16:06] <eindoofus> what's all this hype I keep hearing about client-side apps with HTML5/JS?
  631. # [16:06] <eindoofus> Is that using jQuery or something else?
  632. # [16:07] <dahlfors> it is a new addition to browsers: local storage
  633. # [16:07] <dahlfors> with javascript and html5 you can do quite a lot with it
  634. # [16:07] <alcuadrado> html5 is now an umbrella term referring to a whole set of web technologies (some of them new, some not so new) that enable much interesting applications to be done in the browser (whit html, css and js)
  635. # [16:08] <eindoofus> does that mean that it's probably not enough to just know jquery for making one of those apps?
  636. # [16:08] <alcuadrado> you also need html and css
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  638. # [16:09] <eindoofus> do I need to get into the nitty gritty of javascript or will jquery be enough for most applications?
  639. # [16:09] <alcuadrado> but don't forget that jquery is just a tool for writing javascript
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  643. # [16:10] <alcuadrado> jquery makes writing javascript easier, but you are writing javascript anyway, so you should know the language
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  645. # [16:11] <eindoofus> I see. Just wanted to make sure that the jquery library is still useful in addition to javascript.
  646. # [16:11] <alcuadrado> if you have some time "Javascript: the good parts" is a great book by douglas crockford (smth like the step-father of javascript) about js
  647. # [16:11] <eindoofus> Selecting with just javascript sounds like a headache. I would rather use jquery for that when I can.
  648. # [16:11] <alcuadrado> sure, jquery is still very relevant
  649. # [16:11] <dahlfors> jquery is constantly being updated for new functionality
  650. # [16:12] <dahlfors> so it will make it easier for you to use local storage as well
  651. # [16:12] <alcuadrado> selecting with js in a modern browser is the same as jquery: document.querySelctorAll("selector_as_in_jquery")
  652. # [16:12] <alcuadrado> dahlfors, why do you insist that much in local storage?
  653. # [16:12] <alcuadrado> IMHO it's just another feature.. not all apps need it
  654. # [16:13] <dahlfors> because he said "client-side app with html5/js"
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  656. # [16:14] <alcuadrado> I don't see why that implies local storage
  657. # [16:14] <alcuadrado> you can make rich client-side applications without storing anything at all in the client
  658. # [16:15] <dahlfors> I figured, because otherwise he would have left out the word "client-side" and just said "app with html5/js"
  659. # [16:15] <eindoofus> I noticed that PluralSight has a course on "Building HTML5 and JavaScript Apps with MVVM and Knockout". Is that all still relevant or is that an outdated course?
  660. # [16:15] <eindoofus> Also see "Single Page Apps with HTML5, Web API, Knockout and jQuery"
  661. # [16:16] <alcuadrado> eindoofus, it depends on your previous programming experience
  662. # [16:17] <eindoofus> I
  663. # [16:17] <alcuadrado> I mean, they are still relevant.. though knockout isn't that popular
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  666. # [16:18] <eindoofus> I wonder why they use it in that case.. does it integrate better with ASP.Net maybe
  667. # [16:18] <alcuadrado> sorry, I lost my connection.. did you say smth?
  668. # [16:18] <eindoofus> nothing important
  669. # [16:19] <eindoofus> I should get back to work, lol. Thanks for the info guys
  670. # [16:19] <eindoofus> take care
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  806. # [20:04] <roy___> Is there any way to control the way firefox accentuates styles ?
  807. # [20:05] <roy___> if i compare chrome to firefox , .. it seems as if it looks much more polished in firefox
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  827. # [20:25] <Xano> Is there a way to mark a form element as having invalid input, just like browsers do automatically when the input doesn't match the pattern attribute?
  828. # [20:25] <Xano> I had expected there to be a property for that, but the WHATWG specs don't mention anything like that
  829. # [20:27] <Jon47> you can select it in css with :invalid
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  834. # [20:39] <Xano> Jon47: Helpful, but I'm not there yet. I'd basically like to allow server side and JS validation to trigger a browser's default invalid form element behavior
  835. # [20:39] <Xano> and AFAIK it's not possible to set pseudo classes in any way
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  876. # [21:41] <diomeo> hey guys does anyone knows about html5 counter like progress bar?
  877. # [21:41] <diomeo> a progress circle bar countdown
  878. # [21:41] <diomeo> something cool
  879. # [21:42] <diomeo> i'm searching for something like this http://dribbble.com/system/assets/3900/5485/screenshots/348647/dashboard-01.jpg
  880. # [21:42] <diomeo> it needs to make atime countdown
  881. # [21:43] <diomeo> any idea there?
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  883. # [21:44] <diomeo> is out there somenthing free like this http://preview.pixelworkshop.fr/?theme=CircularCountdownTheme
  884. # [21:44] <diomeo> ?
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