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  10. # [00:07] <sunbeam> I'd like to develop a site for iphone3, 4, and 5 resolutions. Can I use the same media query for all? Or do I have to define different styles for each device
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  16. # [00:10] <tw2113> it's all resolution based sunbeam
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  18. # [00:11] <tw2113> if the iphone3 is showing for 360px and the iphone4 is too
  19. # [00:11] <tw2113> the same css would apply for both
  20. # [00:11] <tw2113> within the media query
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  53. # [00:55] <WeThePeople> how do i make a img clickable in the schema microdata?
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  55. # [00:57] <tw2113> wrap it in an <a> link?
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  62. # [01:03] <WeThePeople> tw2113, doesnt work
  63. # [01:04] <WeThePeople> tw2113, experiencefinejewelry.host22.com
  64. # [01:04] <tw2113> <a href="some url"><img src="some image" /></a>
  65. # [01:04] <WeThePeople> tw2113, its in microdata, it doesnt work like that
  66. # [01:05] <tw2113> what tutorial are you reading?
  67. # [01:05] <tantek> schema and microdata have nothing to do with making something clickable
  68. # [01:06] <WeThePeople> there are no tuts for this type of prob
  69. # [01:06] <WeThePeople> i know
  70. # [01:06] <WeThePeople> but i want to make the img clickable so the buyer can see a bigger picture
  71. # [01:06] <tw2113> that has nothing to do with microdata
  72. # [01:06] <tw2113> that's basic html
  73. # [01:06] <WeThePeople> i know
  74. # [01:07] <WeThePeople> but it is imbedded in the microdata itself
  75. # [01:07] <tw2113> which would make no difference
  76. # [01:07] <WeThePeople> do you see where
  77. # [01:07] <WeThePeople> whatever
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  81. # [01:08] <tw2113> <a href="http://experiencefinejewelry.host22.com/ur3861w2.jpg"><img src="http://experiencefinejewelry.host22.com/ur3861w2_small.jpg" /></a>
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  378. # [12:36] <Yoric> Hi
  379. # [12:36] <Yoric> I am currently looking at CSS3 transforms + transitions and I have a question.
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  381. # [12:37] <Yoric> I have a (hidden) element that I would like to show by progressively scaling it from 0 to 1.
  382. # [12:37] <Yoric> Now, the hidden element doesn't have |scaleX(0)| yet.
  383. # [12:38] <Yoric> Is there a one-step operation to specify that it now has scaleX(0) and should be transitioned to scaleX(1)?
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  385. # [12:39] <Yoric> Or do I need to set scaleX(0), then wait with a setTimeout or requestAnimationFrame and add the style information that will transition to scaleX(1)?
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  391. # [12:59] <zelyan_> hai
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  402. # [13:11] <izual> Hi, I have a question about HTML5 video and it's transmission protocol. Does HTML5 video use TCP or some other protocol? eg RTP?
  403. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> Anything the browser supports
  404. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> HTTP/FTP/SPDY/...
  405. # [13:12] <Moo^_^> izual: HTML5 specification does not specify
  406. # [13:12] <Moo^_^> but browsers commonly support HTTP only
  407. # [13:12] <Moo^_^> no RTP
  408. # [13:13] <izual> So as I see with Wireshark it's HTTP Adaptive bitrate? Does this mean TCP?
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  410. # [13:14] <Moo^_^> izual: HTTP runs on top of TCP
  411. # [13:14] <izual> yes
  412. # [13:14] <Moo^_^> izual: they are protocols of different level
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  414. # [13:15] <izual> I know, but video streaming has different requirements than eg file sending and UDP could be used. But as long as HTTP is used that means TCP
  415. # [13:16] <Moo^_^> izual: I think HTTP ws selected because the current Internet model is broken due to all proxying, firewalling and other shit
  416. # [13:16] <Moo^_^> so it is not the technically best solution
  417. # [13:16] <Moo^_^> but it is something which works
  418. # [13:16] <izual> right, didn't think of this
  419. # [13:16] <Moo^_^> the best you can get
  420. # [13:17] <Moo^_^> like your wive/girlfriend :)
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  435. # [13:47] <roy___> Any suggestions for best free ftp client for windows ?
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  437. # [13:51] <Moo^_^> roy___: linux
  438. # [13:51] <Moo^_^> :)
  439. # [13:51] <Moo^_^> winscp
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  442. # [13:58] <roy___> alright thanks
  443. # [13:59] <roy___> i use crossFtp on osx at the moment which is fine
  444. # [13:59] <roy___> but not windows evidently
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  493. # [15:53] <manuelbieh_> why
  494. # [15:53] <manuelbieh_> the hell
  495. # [15:53] <manuelbieh_> is it not possible to change the subdomain using history.replaceState()?!?
  496. # [15:53] <manuelbieh_> security reasons. of course. what security reasons please?!
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  498. # [15:54] <hober> manuelbieh_: changing a part of the hostname would change the origin
  499. # [15:54] <hober> manuelbieh_: and origins are the basic security boundaries of the web platform
  500. # [15:54] <manuelbieh_> security concerns when changing the complete host, fully agree. but disallowing subdomains makes that whole thing useless
  501. # [15:55] <hober> "http://www.example.com:80/" and "http://mail.example.com:80/" are different origins
  502. # [15:55] <manuelbieh_> in the past you could emulate a "same origin" using document.domain = hostname
  503. # [15:55] <manuelbieh_> but that doesnt work for the history api
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  505. # [15:56] <manuelbieh_> yes. i know. the problem i have is, i'm running a site on the "default" www-subdomain
  506. # [15:56] <manuelbieh_> and i'm linking to pages under "finance.domain.com"
  507. # [15:56] <manuelbieh_> they are on a server of a provider for financial data
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  509. # [15:57] <manuelbieh_> the server sends a cors header so i can get the pages i need using an xmlhttpreq
  510. # [15:57] <manuelbieh_> all fine
  511. # [15:58] <manuelbieh_> only thing not working is to change the url from www.domain.com/stockoverview to finance.domain.com/show/AAPL
  512. # [15:58] <manuelbieh_> (i'm currently getting only the document.body of the requested page and dom-inject it to my current page)
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  514. # [16:01] <manuelbieh_> and that's completely broken in my opinion. i should either be able to tell the browser to allow replaceState/pushState to set the url to another subdomain or the browser should check for CORS headers when changing the url to another subdomain
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  517. # [16:03] <manuelbieh_> i totally agree on the fact that it might not be a good idea to let javascript change the url from http://myfishingsite.com/ to http://yourbank.com/
  518. # [16:04] <manuelbieh_> but not allowing replaceState to change the url from http://mybank.com/ to http://account.mybank.com/ is nonsense. really.
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  526. # [16:26] <sunbeam> The author of a quote, in <blockquote> element
  527. # [16:26] <sunbeam> how should i best put it? like <span class="author">Mr. Name X</span> ?
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  548. # [17:00] <Jon47> sunbeam: I don't know the answer to your question but this site generally gives reasonably decent explanations of html5 elements: http://html5doctor.com/blockquote-q-cite/
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  550. # [17:01] <Jon47> note the bit about microformats
  551. # [17:02] <Jon47> fg
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  570. # [17:18] <Yoric> So, with CSS3, is there a way to create an element with scaleX(0) and have it immediately transition to scaleX(1)?
  571. # [17:19] <Yoric> Or do I need to make it happen in two steps, first make it appear and then after a setTimeout/requestAnimationFrame change its css to trigger the transition?
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  631. # [18:26] <Jon47> does anybody know if there are any plans in the works to provide a method for (reliably) loading stylesheets asynchronously?
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  634. # [18:29] <Jon47> i mean, i know you can do it by appending a style tag to the head, but the methods I've heard about have issues reporting when the sheet has been loaded..
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  663. # [19:09] <heath> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#events-DocumentEvent
  664. # [19:09] <heath> i'm not seeing this object in the javascript console
  665. # [19:09] <heath> do i need the latest version of chromium or chrome?
  666. # [19:10] <heath> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#interface-DocumentEvent is the better link
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  714. # [20:48] <Whirl3d> For the elements that I once used div id='page_footer' , but then started using <footer> only to learn the HTML5 spec indicated that <footer> wasn't confined to the document element, so should I go back to <div> or perhaps <section> ?
  715. # [20:49] * Whirl3d fears for the future of the web with semantic markup and too many conflicting implementations...
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  718. # [20:51] <tw2113> huh
  719. # [20:51] <Whirl3d> tw2113, how can you be in all channels at the same time? LOL
  720. # [20:51] <tw2113> you can be in many channels at once
  721. # [20:51] <Whirl3d> You should win an metal or something.
  722. # [20:51] <tw2113> medal, and no
  723. # [20:52] <Whirl3d> I am trying to make a WP theme using HTML5 from scratch for the excercise and wondered if it was appropriate to use the section element to designate the header section, main section and footer section
  724. # [20:52] <tw2113> giving me a medal for being on IRC too much, is like giving Obama the Nobel Peace Prize?it's not deserved
  725. # [20:53] <tw2113> why not use header,article,footer for those?
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  727. # [20:53] <Whirl3d> That's what I am asking?
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  729. # [20:53] <tw2113> <header> was made for a reason
  730. # [20:53] <tw2113> same with <footer>
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  732. # [20:54] <Whirl3d> but it's not the reason most think. Articles have headers and footers too (can have)
  733. # [20:54] <tw2113> yup
  734. # [20:54] <Whirl3d> So I wondered if you are going to have a header element, shouldn't it be enclosed in a parent element type like section or article
  735. # [20:54] <Whirl3d> rather than body
  736. # [20:55] <tw2113> <body><header></header><article><header></header><content><footer></footer></article><footer></footer>
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  738. # [20:57] <Whirl3d> just as a point of discussion, I think HTML5 was a wrong turn with regards to the new markup elements. IMHO, most of the new semantic elements should have been handle by attributes like "type=" or "role="...what was once designed to make HTML easier to read has made it just a real pain to follow.
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  740. # [20:58] <Whirl3d> and no <content> element or <main> element, really? LOL (I love to drop that bomb in an html5 discussion...)..
  741. # [20:59] <tw2113> *shrug*
  742. # [20:59] <Whirl3d> thanks for your input, as always, tw2113...I'll be looking for your support in #bdsm soon, I guess you'll be there. ;)
  743. # [20:59] <tw2113> wouldn't that be what html6 is for? even more!
  744. # [20:59] <Whirl3d> I thought html6 wasn't even in the picture
  745. # [20:59] <tw2113> not yet
  746. # [21:00] <tw2113> they're already working on css4
  747. # [21:00] <Whirl3d> I hope they string HTML back down the bare bones
  748. # [21:00] <Whirl3d> I mean the implication that semantic elements shouldn't be styled is what really chaps my hide.
  749. # [21:01] <tw2113> why can't they be styled?
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  751. # [21:01] <tw2113> or better yet, who says they shouldn't be?
  752. # [21:01] <Whirl3d> It's not that they can't. HTML5Doctor cited references to the spec that said they aren't for styling. I'll dig it up.
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  754. # [21:02] <tw2113> my interpretation for that would be that they shouldn't be used JUST for styling
  755. # [21:02] <tw2113> you should have reason for using the new tag, say <nav>
  756. # [21:02] <tw2113> you shouldn't use <nav> just for the sake of something to style, it should actually be the appopriate nav too
  757. # [21:05] <tw2113> and what's stopping you from using them, but in your css selectors, just getting more specific and target the markup inside them, if you're really that worried
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  759. # [21:05] <Jon47> it'd be like putting a style rule on "div"
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  761. # [21:06] <Jon47> obviously you probably have lots of divs on the page, if you start applying really general rules to them, get ready for your page to look wack
  762. # [21:06] <tw2113> target it with a role selector then, or put an ID on it if you want
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  764. # [21:06] <tw2113> nav[role="navigation"] > someselector { }
  765. # [21:07] <Jon47> i think a better strategy is to use classes
  766. # [21:07] <tw2113> there are many ways to accomplish this, yes
  767. # [21:07] <Whirl3d> I think the reason people are suggesting against styling semantic elements is that they require context.
  768. # [21:07] <Whirl3d> which is what you just said. LOL
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  771. # [21:09] <heath> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#events-DocumentEvent
  772. # [21:10] <heath> i'm not seeing this object in either firebug or chrome dev tools
  773. # [21:10] <heath> do i need the latest version of chromium or firefox?
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  775. # [21:10] <heath> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#interface-DocumentEvent is the better link
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  806. # [21:52] <diomeo> can i ask a english related question here?
  807. # [21:52] <diomeo> #english seems they are all died
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  817. # [22:06] <sunbeam> I need a custom icon Scroll bar and up/down arrow scroll buttons
  818. # [22:06] <sunbeam> Any idea with what I can best accomplish this (IE7+ ) ?
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  878. # [23:18] <heath> i'm not seeing this in either firebug or chrome dev tools: http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#interface-DocumentEvent
  879. # [23:19] <heath> do i need the latest version of chromium or firefox?
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