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  38. # [00:44] <t4nk208> hi
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  53. # [01:15] <dnnsmanace> anyone know how google docs does drag and drop images between browser windows?
  54. # [01:16] <dnnsmanace> i've been playing with the drop eventlistener to get the dataTranfser, but that gives the URL of the original dragged image if it isnt linked
  55. # [01:16] <dnnsmanace> if its linked it gives you the link
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  74. # [01:36] <awc737> is it possible to only load a div from an iframe?
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  132. # [04:24] <WeThePeople> how do i place pictures side by side of one another, in a row and columns?
  133. # [04:25] <spydon> I want to do something like entity.setAttribute("href", "javascript:playAudio('"+path+"', this.id)"); on an a-tag, can I do it some other way or why does not this way work?
  134. # [04:26] <spydon> It's the id thing I have problem with sending to the javascript
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  144. # [04:44] <popof_> is there any way I can create a native wrapper for pc desktop for an html5/css/js app?
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  180. # [06:24] <WeThePeople> how do i link a thumbnail to its larger picture?
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  287. # [09:34] <popof_> WeThePeople: um, using a link?
  288. # [09:35] <WeThePeople> popof_, no Smart@ss answers pls
  289. # [09:35] <tw2113> WeThePeople, make the link href go to the the large version, and use the small version in the img tag
  290. # [09:35] <popof_> WeThePeople: it wasnt, whats unusual about an image versus a normal ink
  291. # [09:35] <tw2113> put the image tag inside the <a> and </a>
  292. # [09:35] <WeThePeople> tw2113, http://experiencefinejewelry.host22.com/
  293. # [09:36] <WeThePeople> tw2113, look at the source of the first pic
  294. # [09:36] <tw2113> <a href="large image url"><img src="http://experiencefinejewelry.host22.com/photo/ur3862w.jpg" /></a>
  295. # [09:36] <WeThePeople> and the css
  296. # [09:36] <tw2113> fill in the href
  297. # [09:36] <popof_> WeThePeople: "please" or "?" would be nice
  298. # [09:37] <tw2113> repeat for each image
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  303. # [09:43] <tw2113> there you go, you're on your way now
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  461. # [12:05] <neworder> Hi guys
  462. # [12:05] <neworder> I just started with HTML5 Boilerplate
  463. # [12:05] <neworder> Do the IE classes at the start of index.html need to be uncommented for them to work?
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  468. # [12:10] <nerdfiles1> Er.
  469. # [12:10] <nerdfiles1> Use IE classes around <body>.
  470. # [12:10] <nerdfiles1> Not <html>
  471. # [12:10] <nerdfiles1> .
  472. # [12:10] <nerdfiles1> And "no-js" class.
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  474. # [12:14] <Garbee> neworder, No. Those are IE target classes.
  475. # [12:15] <Garbee> neworder, See this post for how it works. http://paulirish.com/2008/conditional-stylesheets-vs-css-hacks-answer-neither/
  476. # [12:16] <Garbee> Those statements are basically target statements the IE team built into IEs that are version 9 and before in order for developers to target them exactly since they are quirky in places.
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  479. # [12:20] <austincheney> ie classes?
  480. # [12:21] <austincheney> ah, conditional stylesheets
  481. # [12:21] <austincheney> I really dont like those
  482. # [12:22] <Garbee> If I am worrying about direct IE support, I don't mind them at all. If I don't care for IE support (as I generally don't) then screw 'em.
  483. # [12:22] <austincheney> conditional stylesheets indicate that you are either doing things you probably shouldn't or that you do not know how to do, and worse that you lack sufficient QA for the given task
  484. # [12:23] <austincheney> I say that because the new features in HTML and CSS mostly degrade gracefully
  485. # [12:25] <austincheney> I tend to see conditional comments as the first sign of code immaturity in the HTML which typically reaffirmed by a 1000 div and span tags and almost no tags of other kinds
  486. # [12:25] <Garbee> haha yea. I love seeing peoples "HTML5" code and it has nothing except div and spans. All they did was use the doctype.
  487. # [12:26] <austincheney> unfortunately its hard to blame the coder for these violations when the techologies make it challenging to know what right looks like
  488. # [12:28] <Garbee> True. I also see it happen because people validate against XHTML, so they code that way first and then update the doctype to get an "HTML5" site going.
  489. # [12:28] <Garbee> I think the validator should have the option to be strict about things.
  490. # [12:28] <Garbee> That way you can just code to HTML5 and be strict and be able to validate against it.
  491. # [12:29] <austincheney> Garbee: well the latest "complete" HTML 5 spec allows for XHTML 1.1 conformance
  492. # [12:30] <Garbee> Well, the validator needs to catch up then iirc. ;)
  493. # [12:30] <Garbee> Maybe it has landed in the nu one... Let's check.
  494. # [12:31] <Garbee> Nah, not seeing it pop out at me.
  495. # [12:31] <austincheney> if HTML were referenced from a schema you would not need post validation
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  522. # [13:16] <neworder> Thanks Garbee and the others..
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  524. # [13:17] <neworder> I was looking at Twitter Bootstrap and HTML5 Boiler plates
  525. # [13:18] <neworder> There doesn't seem to be much differences except for the Modernizer, Google analytics, and the .htaccess configuration
  526. # [13:18] <neworder> Am I right?
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  622. # [15:56] <zettam1> Hello everyone
  623. # [15:57] <zettam1> Quite a bad place to ask (maybe) bu I'm looking for a closed-beta registration form for an upcoming app I'm creating, is there any pre-made form's for that kind of stuff
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  627. # [15:57] <zettam1> I know that wordpress can do stuff like that but it seems like overkill to me, to setup a wordpress just for this
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  632. # [15:59] <austincheney> just a generic html form?
  633. # [15:59] <zettam1> well
  634. # [15:59] <zettam1> I'm not sure
  635. # [15:59] <zettam1> I thought the could be a simple and customisable thing for that
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  638. # [15:59] <zettam1> just like wordpress - for blogs
  639. # [15:59] <zettam1> I thought there could be a software specifically fo this purpose
  640. # [15:59] <austincheney> why dont you just write your form as an HTML page?
  641. # [15:59] <zettam1> customizable forms etc.
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  645. # [16:00] <zettam1> I have no idea about how to do that actually, austincheney
  646. # [16:00] <austincheney> ah
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  649. # [16:00] <austincheney> if this is for a commercial project you may need to pay somebody
  650. # [16:00] <zettam1> I can play with the CSS and reshape it but the software behind it... I don't think I want to gt into that
  651. # [16:01] <austincheney> oh you are talking about where the form posts to
  652. # [16:01] <zettam1> no this is just a small personal project
  653. # [16:01] <zettam1> 2-person project
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  656. # [16:01] <zettam1> I want the user to fill in their name and reason to apply for the beta
  657. # [16:01] <zettam1> and press submit
  658. # [16:01] <zettam1> that's all
  659. # [16:01] <zettam1> And we will get back to them if it's ok
  660. # [16:01] <zettam1> simply, like that.
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  663. # [16:01] <austincheney> you will need a means to store that data
  664. # [16:02] <austincheney> like a database
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  668. # [16:02] <zettam1> yes probobly
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  672. # [16:03] <austincheney> this is something you are going to have to learn yourself or pay for
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  675. # [16:03] <zettam1> let me send a quick example
  676. # [16:04] <zettam1> http://evographics.altervista.org/tf_preview/coming_soon_v.2.0/ this, for example
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  679. # [16:04] <zettam1> this is a wordpress setup with a "coming soon" theme
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  681. # [16:04] <zettam1> so the user can type in their email address and subscribe, simply.
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  684. # [16:04] <zettam1> I believe I can put up a form to wordpress, and set up somewhat like a beta application form
  685. # [16:05] <austincheney> i understand what you need
  686. # [16:05] <zettam1> but that seemed like overkill to me (to setup a whole blog for a simple functionality like this)
  687. # [16:05] <austincheney> but its not overkill
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  690. # [16:05] <zettam1> so thought, there could be something simpel for this only.
  691. # [16:05] <austincheney> sure, you could write a small php script to handle the response and push the data into a database table
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  693. # [16:06] <fof> you could have a simple form that emails the signups to you
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  695. # [16:06] <zettam1> fof --- that could work !
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  741. # [16:18] <WeThePeople> how can i align imgs auto without using the current css thumbnail element>>> http://experiencefinejewelry.host22.com/
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  746. # [16:19] <WeThePeople> how can i align imgs auto without using the current css thumbnail element>>> http://experiencefinejewelry.host22.com/
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  911. # [17:03] <WeThePeople> is it possible to change the font size of the title attribute?
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  968. # [17:19] <Jon47> that's a joke right
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  986. # [17:23] <WeThePeople> no joke
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  989. # [17:23] <WeThePeople> jon47, no joke
  990. # [17:24] <Kuifje> I doubt it is possible
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  994. # [17:24] <Jon47> what is the title attribute … do you mean the title tag in the head that determines the name of the tab/window in the browser?
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  1004. # [17:27] <Jon47> "title attribute" refers to the invisible text that describes an element, which in most browsers will cause a small tooltip to pop up over the link if you hover your mouse over it, and can be used for screen readers and such
  1005. # [17:27] <Jon47> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.4.3
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  1018. # [17:31] <dahlfors> have a look at jquery tooltips, there is quite a few of those plugins
  1019. # [17:31] <dahlfors> those can be customized in any way possible
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  1022. # [17:31] <dahlfors> if it's a title in the browser - nope
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  1057. # [17:39] <WeThePeople> how is the user experience so far, is it easy to find the price?>>> http://experiencefinejewelry.host22.com/
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  1089. # [17:47] <popof_> WeThePeople: maybe instead of spending 12 hours making one of the worst sites in the world you could just reuse one of the many templates online, no? Red text, square boxes, neon teal header... what is this man
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  1093. # [17:48] <WeThePeople> popof_, those are for my reference only
  1094. # [17:48] <WeThePeople> lol
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  1097. # [17:49] <popof_> WeThePeople: .....right
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  1099. # [17:49] <Garbee> Still, UX sucks. The way things are listed (using an image title) is bad.
  1100. # [17:49] <WeThePeople> lolol
  1101. # [17:49] <WeThePeople> ok what do you guys suggest about that
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  1104. # [17:49] <WeThePeople> i think it looks cleaner
  1105. # [17:49] <Garbee> You should basically use a modal (Like Bootstrap and Zurb provide) and pull the data in as normal HTML. Then you also get to use microdata to help bots out.
  1106. # [17:50] <Garbee> Then, it also makes it real easy to tell what you're looking at.
  1107. # [17:50] <Garbee> Using an image title for that information is not good.
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  1111. # [17:50] <WeThePeople> garbee, yeah i was thinkin microdata too
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  1113. # [17:50] <Garbee> Well, you won't get it using the image title. :/
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  1116. # [17:51] <Garbee> Use a real modal.
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  1122. # [17:52] <WeThePeople> garbee, a modal for the title attrib.?
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  1128. # [17:54] <WeThePeople> i was also thinking about adding a page turn effect and a page curl
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  1144. # [17:57] <popof_> > WeThePeople: i was also thinking about adding a page turn effect and a page curl
  1145. # [17:58] <popof_> Ah jeez this is low hanging fruit, sorry , Im out of here
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