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  1. # Session Start: Fri Dec 21 00:00:00 2012
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  23. # [00:26] <Teonnyn> Hey guys
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  27. # [00:30] <Teonnyn> I am curious to know if anyone can help point out a decent game development engine for HTML5 in the free catagory, I have a small set of requirements.
  28. # [00:31] <Teonnyn> Physics, Particles, Sound, Tilemapping, Touch/Mouse Control
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  37. # [00:49] <lucidmadman> anyone able to help a newbie out with a style question?
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  43. # [01:01] <roy___> is the lang element on the <html> tag still applicable ?
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  225. # [06:14] <annoyed> <button> or <a> and why?
  226. # [06:15] <annoyed> I prefer <a>
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  228. # [06:15] <annoyed> because I get consistency across browsers
  229. # [06:15] <annoyed> another fellow dev prefers <button> because it's what you're "supposed" to use technically according to spec
  230. # [06:15] <annoyed> if it's NOT a link
  231. # [06:15] <annoyed> yea..
  232. # [06:17] <annoyed> thoughts?
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  237. # [06:27] <tw2113> a button to what?
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  240. # [06:29] <annoyed> a button that doesn't necessarily go to an url
  241. # [06:29] <annoyed> but it's still technically button
  242. # [06:29] <annoyed> his point is.. if's not an HREF then button is what the spec says one should use
  243. # [06:29] <annoyed> my point is
  244. # [06:30] <annoyed> i dont give a fuck about a spec
  245. # [06:30] <annoyed> <a> works across browsers
  246. # [06:30] <annoyed> with no issues
  247. # [06:30] <tw2113> so use it
  248. # [06:30] <annoyed> <button> does
  249. # [06:30] <annoyed> i'm trying to convince him otherwise though
  250. # [06:30] <annoyed> lol
  251. # [06:30] <tw2113> why bother?
  252. # [06:30] <annoyed> what's the best way to do that
  253. # [06:30] <annoyed> well we're on a team
  254. # [06:30] <annoyed> so he advocates one way
  255. # [06:31] <annoyed> i advocate another
  256. # [06:31] <annoyed> I want the team to use anchor tags.. as well
  257. # [06:32] <annoyed> ther's so much benefit.. and at the end of the day I'll be fixing browsers issues
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  260. # [06:32] <annoyed> tw2113: what's your advice
  261. # [06:32] <tw2113> you're in an unwinnable battle
  262. # [06:33] <tw2113> and depends on how much your team wants to stick to spec
  263. # [06:34] <annoyed> the team will def prefer that things actually works across browsers.. especially IE
  264. # [06:34] <tw2113> if they still support IE7 and down, can i laugh at them?
  265. # [06:34] <tw2113> jk
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  267. # [06:34] <annoyed> lol
  268. # [06:34] <annoyed> luckily they don't.
  269. # [06:34] <tw2113> sort of
  270. # [06:35] <tw2113> aren't buttons used just in forms?
  271. # [06:35] <annoyed> not necessarily no
  272. # [06:35] <annoyed> The button element is a multipurpose element for representing buttons.
  273. # [06:35] <annoyed> basically it could be a button
  274. # [06:36] <annoyed> as I said I don't care for the spec
  275. # [06:36] <annoyed> in this case of course
  276. # [06:36] <tw2113> http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/button.button.html#button.button
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  278. # [06:37] <annoyed> the point is.. not what the spec says
  279. # [06:37] <tw2113> i'm trying to think of uses outside forms to need a button :)
  280. # [06:37] <annoyed> is.. the <a> works consistenly across browsers
  281. # [06:37] <annoyed> oh
  282. # [06:37] <annoyed> ok
  283. # [06:38] <annoyed> i don't remember the last time I used button anyway
  284. # [06:38] <tw2113> ask your coworker for use cases and debate them
  285. # [06:38] <annoyed> i mean here's the thing
  286. # [06:38] <annoyed> if he says we should use it submit
  287. # [06:38] <annoyed> then I'll say in that
  288. # [06:39] <annoyed> we should use actual INPUT submit
  289. # [06:39] <annoyed> and if we're not submitting via form
  290. # [06:39] <annoyed> then we should use <a> it's that simple
  291. # [06:39] <annoyed> i don't understand what's the debate there
  292. # [06:39] <annoyed> it's that simple
  293. # [06:39] <tw2113> he's the one you need to haggle and debate with
  294. # [06:39] <tw2113> not us
  295. # [06:39] <annoyed> yeah I know
  296. # [06:39] <annoyed> lol
  297. # [06:40] <annoyed> i'm trying to get a sentence that can just shut this debate down in a sentence
  298. # [06:40] <annoyed> lol
  299. # [06:40] <tw2113> a good question?how did they end up with button type submit and input type submit
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  301. # [06:40] <annoyed> that is a good question.
  302. # [06:41] <annoyed> i think the only option i'm thinking
  303. # [06:41] <tw2113> i'm guessing button was around first and was multifunctional
  304. # [06:41] <tw2113> and then they added the specific input type to do the same
  305. # [06:42] <annoyed> interesting..
  306. # [06:44] <annoyed> anyway.. i'ma not bother
  307. # [06:44] <annoyed> and go on about using my anchors
  308. # [06:45] <annoyed> i dont got time to debate to this BS.. if he uses anchors i'ma say goodluck with IE
  309. # [06:45] <annoyed> cheers
  310. # [06:45] <tw2113> you mean buttons
  311. # [06:45] <annoyed> lol yeah
  312. # [06:45] <annoyed> buttons
  313. # [06:45] <annoyed> fuck
  314. # [06:45] <annoyed> it's late
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