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  94. # [02:07] <jaequery> anyone know if you can perform skew transforms on a running flash video?
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  96. # [02:08] <Moo-_-> jaequery: mmm... I suggest you ask a flash specific forum
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  98. # [02:09] <jaequery> well i was talking about doing html5/css3 transform on a div w/ a running flash/html5 video
  99. # [02:09] <jaequery> doesn't have to be just flash
  100. # [02:09] <jaequery> was wondering if there are any side-effects/issues, etc
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  103. # [02:10] <llamapixel> setup a small demo and test it over some browsers
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  117. # [02:33] <Moo-_-> jaequery: I am pretty sure you cannot affect Flash content using CSS rules
  118. # [02:33] <Moo-_-> because it runs Flash in an embedded separate window
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  149. # [03:31] <tds5016> can someone tell me why I keep getting the following error? Application Cache Error event: Manifest fetch failed (-1)
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  172. # [04:13] <a930913> Server to client encryption can be done with keygen?
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  180. # [04:21] <tds5016> anyone familiar with appcache?
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  551. # [15:41] <pskosinski> Hello. What is maximal lenght of value of textarea element? I can't find in specification so is it browser-specific? Or there is no limit?
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  554. # [15:42] <pskosinski> I can't send looong text using POST from textarea and wonder if problem is on side of browser, somewhere in HTTP and POST or in my application…
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  565. # [15:57] <pskosinski> Hm, I tried in cURL and there works. :( So looks like something with Chromium.
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  570. # [16:00] <dahlfors> maximum length should be specific only to the serverside program and perhaps some really large value in browsers
  571. # [16:01] <dahlfors> hence, always check for overflows in the receiving end
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  575. # [16:07] <pskosinski> Well, but sending a text in cURL works, so app on server is not limiting it so much. But when I want to send same data in Chromium as result I am going to site: about:blank. It is not even showing error/refreshing site.
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  592. # [16:31] <EHLOVader> Hey HTML heads
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  596. # [16:32] <EHLOVader> wondering if it was discussed, the ZinoUI which came through the newsletter... why isn't it actually more accessible than jqueryUI?
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  598. # [16:33] <EHLOVader> it says it is WAI-ARIA, but the WAI-ARIA best practices mention keyboard nav, and I am having a hard time getting any of the zinoUI demos (here http://zinoui.com/demos) to work with just my keyboard
  599. # [16:34] <EHLOVader> simple things like the combobox's autocomplete even... if you can't arrow through the filtered list, isn't that pretty standard for a UI these days?
  600. # [16:35] <EHLOVader> not the place to whine about zino, I know.. but thought it was interesting and possibly worth discussing in HTML5 with the inclusion on the newsletter
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  603. # [16:39] <EHLOVader> especially a burn, if it isn't as accessible as jqueryUI (which has an MIT license) and they expect businesses to pay for Zino with their dual license model... I would not buy
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  608. # [16:45] <Garbee> EHLOVader, This channel isn't connected to the newsletter.
  609. # [16:46] <Garbee> That is just something someone (other company?) does on their own.
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  611. # [16:47] <EHLOVader> figured it was on topic still
  612. # [16:47] <EHLOVader> not implicating the channel
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  614. # [16:48] <Garbee> Yea, I'm just not sure how many people in here actually subscribe anyways.
  615. # [16:49] <EHLOVader> eh
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  617. # [16:51] <carminec> haven't heard of zinoUI, JS framework?
  618. # [16:51] <EHLOVader> yes
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  620. # [16:51] <carminec> based on jquery or something?
  621. # [16:51] <EHLOVader> it is billed as " A jQuery based, WAI-ARIA compatible, user interface framework consisting of 23 different components. "
  622. # [16:52] <carminec> ahh, accessibility, interesting
  623. # [16:52] <EHLOVader> I guess WAI-ARIA "compatible" may not be the same as a 100% implementation and following... as if it were a certification
  624. # [16:52] <EHLOVader> but that is my point
  625. # [16:52] <EHLOVader> accessibility isn't there
  626. # [16:52] <EHLOVader> try their demo out, let me know what you think...
  627. # [16:52] <carminec> will do
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  630. # [16:53] <EHLOVader> pretend you don't have a mouse through most of it
  631. # [16:53] <EHLOVader> then go here.. and do the same... http://jqueryui.com/demos/
  632. # [16:53] <carminec> i am getting the autocomplete through the combobox
  633. # [16:54] <EHLOVader> it shows up
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  635. # [16:54] <EHLOVader> select one
  636. # [16:54] <EHLOVader> with your keyboard
  637. # [16:54] <EHLOVader> also autocomplete is case sensitive, which is a bit off
  638. # [16:55] <EHLOVader> I am curious if there are more, out there, html5 interfaces, built on jquery or not, that are accessible first, then fancy and useful later.
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  640. # [16:55] <EHLOVader> the accordion in Zino is also not keyboard friendly, where jqueryUI is
  641. # [16:55] <carminec> affirmative that the accordian, you can't do anything with the keyboard
  642. # [16:56] <carminec> hmm, weird
  643. # [16:56] <EHLOVader> did you try the combo
  644. # [16:56] <carminec> the combo works fine for me
  645. # [16:56] <EHLOVader> keyboard select of the suggestions/
  646. # [16:56] <EHLOVader> with the keyboard?
  647. # [16:56] <carminec> yep
  648. # [16:56] <EHLOVader> type in letters
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  650. # [16:56] <EHLOVader> then arrow down?
  651. # [16:56] <EHLOVader> and hit enter
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  653. # [16:56] <carminec> whoops, no, you're right, does not register
  654. # [16:56] * EHLOVader is incredulous
  655. # [16:56] <carminec> ha!
  656. # [16:56] <EHLOVader> slider doesn't keyboard either
  657. # [16:56] <carminec> no, you're right, does not work
  658. # [16:57] <carminec> kind of defeats the purpose
  659. # [16:57] <EHLOVader> it does
  660. # [16:57] <EHLOVader> the only one that does keyboard is the treeview
  661. # [16:57] <EHLOVader> and it seems to have it all taken care of
  662. # [16:57] <carminec> not sure how a screen reader can read that combo box either
  663. # [16:57] <EHLOVader> I think those just miss out on all that stuff
  664. # [16:57] <EHLOVader> in all of the UI additions
  665. # [16:58] <EHLOVader> do you test with a screen reader? is there a way to test that sort of thing
  666. # [16:58] <carminec> no just assuming, seeing as how its a function. I know some readers can JS just fine, but just assuming
  667. # [16:58] <EHLOVader> another fiddly bit is that the spinner doesn't work with mouse scroll wheel, I understand not necessarily a usability thing, but nice feature I enjoy seeing
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  686. # [17:21] <Jimmy> Is there any way of having a webpage and linking to a html5 game on another site so that it is run from my page? (With permisson granted of course)
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  689. # [17:25] <Garbee> Jimmy, Best to link off to the main site.
  690. # [17:25] <Garbee> Doing a link to run the game would depend on how well coded the game is.
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  692. # [17:26] <Jimmy> So there is no way other than linking off to the other site?
  693. # [17:26] <Jimmy> or getting the code and placing it into my site?
  694. # [17:26] <Garbee> No, there is a way, just no real standard way. It really depends on what the game is and how it is coded.
  695. # [17:26] <Garbee> Well, yea if the dev would give you the code.
  696. # [17:27] <Garbee> And then once again, depending on how it is coded you could need to go rewrite URL's if they are hardcoded in the app.
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  699. # [17:28] <Jimmy> I was looking to see if there was a way similar to how your phone works when downloading apps etc. Using your phone you go to the google play store and choose the game you want and download it to your phone. Can something similar be done with html 5?
  700. # [17:30] <Jimmy> I want to create an html5 game store if you know what i mean?
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  786. # [19:01] <JZA> hi I need help working with SVG
  787. # [19:01] <JZA> I tried to change the size of the SVG and now it wont display on my HTML
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  790. # [19:01] <JZA> is an embedded SVG
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  831. # [19:22] <mcnesium> hey guys, which one of the two options is better: http://i.imgur.com/JNMbk.png
  832. # [19:23] <mcnesium> if there werent the headers in each menu, i would go for one nav-element, but since there is „other stuff“ in it, i am not sure about it
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  836. # [19:27] <mcnesium> if i go for one nav element, then there should be another div wrapping the h1 and ul, so that they can float properly
  837. # [19:28] <mcnesium> so if i would use multiple nav elements, i could make them float and can save one dom-element
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  849. # [19:47] <Garbee-Dude> mcnesium, I'd go with the single nav. Since it is all one big chunk of nav links compared to two smaller ones.
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  865. # [20:01] <Jimmy> Hi
  866. # [20:01] <Jimmy> How would I go about creating a html5 game store?
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  868. # [20:02] <RobOakes> Would someone be willing to look at some HTML code?
  869. # [20:02] <RobOakes> I am working on some additions to an app for our office.
  870. # [20:03] <RobOakes> The page has two radio button groups.
  871. # [20:03] <RobOakes> The first group works fine, but there is something wrong in the syntax of the second.
  872. # [20:03] <_gambit> RobOakes, sure! jsfiddle?
  873. # [20:03] <RobOakes> I am unable to check any options, or retrieve values using JavaScript. I am not sure.
  874. # [20:03] <RobOakes> _gambit: Give me a second and let me create a pastie.
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  876. # [20:04] <_gambit> RobOakes, jsfiddle.net will be more helpful than pastebin
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  878. # [20:05] <RobOakes> _gambit: Okay, let mecheck it out. Just a second. (I've never used JSFiddle before)
  879. # [20:06] <RobOakes> http://jsfiddle.net/GFFQq/
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  881. # [20:06] <RobOakes> Oh, that's aggravating. It works just fine there ...
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  883. # [20:08] <_gambit> RobOakes, :-)
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  887. # [20:09] <_gambit> RobOakes, okay. If you're not using html5, self close the tags. <input foo='bar' />
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  889. # [20:12] <_gambit> RobOakes, did it help?
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  917. # [20:30] <Jimmy> Hey guys, how would I go about creating a marketplace for html5 games (a simple one) - or let me know where I could find out?
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  925. # [20:37] <ironfroggy> Jimmy: both google and mozilla have app stores for html5 apps, including games
  926. # [20:37] <ironfroggy> you could use those or follow their examples
  927. # [20:38] <Jimmy> what do you mean follow their examples?
  928. # [20:39] <Jimmy> I do'nt want to use an existing store, and I wont be creating my own games
  929. # [20:39] <ironfroggy> i mean look at how mozilla has built their store, and do what they did
  930. # [20:40] <ironfroggy> their's should all be open source, as well.
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  932. # [20:41] <Jimmy> Ok thanks, I will have a look there.
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  1006. # [22:27] <mcnesium> ok thx Garbee
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  1020. # [22:46] <mcnesium> can article elements go inside an aside element?
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  1026. # [22:55] <tantek> mcnesium - yes. that's how you'd markup comments inside a blog post for example.
  1027. # [22:55] <tantek> oh sorry, misread as articles inside an article
  1028. # [22:55] <tantek> I suppose you could put articles inside an aside, but I haven't seen an example of real world content where you'd do that. e.g. comments inside an aside
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  1052. # [23:12] <mishugana> i am going nuts
  1053. # [23:12] <mishugana> why wont fontsquirrel work on IE
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  1058. # [23:14] <mishugana> Whenever i test something in IE i go through the 5 stages of grief
  1059. # [23:15] <mishugana> Oh this site works perfectly fine in IE, you just dont click on half the links and you are fine. Wait, the client is saying the site isnt loading at all and is just a bunch of black and white boxes??? WHY ISNT IE UP TO STANDARDS???
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  1061. # [23:16] <mishugana> Ok ill just gracefully degrade the functionality, i only need it to work a little....
  1062. # [23:16] <mishugana> Nope. it looks like shit. Still too many people use IE. the site is no good.
  1063. # [23:17] <mishugana> Acceptance.
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  1065. # [23:17] <tw2113> is it not finding the .eot files?
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  1071. # [23:23] <mishugana> it just wont do the font at all
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  1077. # [23:27] <mishugana> http://jigawatt.info/peca/
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  1092. # [23:50] <Glycan> What's the correct/elegent way to get this kind of layout? http://i.imgur.com/y9zLV.png
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