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# [02:10] <d4rklit3> hi
# [02:10] <d4rklit3> when did chrome start supporting svg?
# [02:11] <moo-_-> http://caniuse.com/#search=svg
# [02:12] <kerozene> Browsers based on WebKit (such as Apple's Safari, Google Chrome, and The Omni Group's OmniWeb) have had incomplete support for the SVG 1.1 Full specification since 2006.[60]
# [02:13] <d4rklit3> it says chrome 23
# [02:13] <d4rklit3> we are just on 24
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# [02:13] <d4rklit3> i guess i wouldl ike to see when it had partial support too
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# [02:14] <shepazu> it's ben in Chrome for a long time
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# [02:14] <shepazu> not full support, but a majority
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# [02:15] <kerozene> according to wikipedia, the answer is 'always'
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# [02:18] <d4rklit3> i just need to put in svg files as css background
# [02:18] <kerozene> also according to the chromium bugtracker
# [02:18] <llamapixel> d4rklit3: like these patterns? http://lea.verou.me/css3patterns/
# [02:19] <d4rklit3> not nearly that complex
# [02:19] <d4rklit3> an svg i make in illustrator
# [02:19] <d4rklit3> of a simple panel
# [02:19] <d4rklit3> so prob will work
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# [02:21] <kerozene> d4rklit3: caniuse doesn't list versions of chrome prior to 23 for anything
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# [02:22] <SrPx> Wow. What do you guys think of http://www.vpsland.com/ ? Dedicated server for $10/mo? Is this correct?
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# [02:24] <kerozene> SrPx: what? that's not dedicated
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# [02:25] <kerozene> crap, I fell for it
# [02:25] <shepazu> sigh
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# [02:54] <moo-_-> SrPx: go for hetzner.de if you need VPS
# [02:54] <moo-_-> don't trust US companies
# [02:54] <moo-_-> :)
# [02:55] <kerozene> ..whh..why?
# [02:56] <moo-_-> kerozene: I don't like political arguments, but last 10 years have been downhill in the country of freedom and brave and I trust Germans do their shit properly
# [02:56] <moo-_-> it's more safe bet
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# [02:57] <kerozene> do their political shit?
# [02:57] <moo-_-> no
# [02:57] <moo-_-> privacy
# [02:58] <moo-_-> customer service
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# [02:58] <moo-_-> and generally, german engineering is unbeatable
# [02:59] <kerozene> then.. why are is all networking hardware not made by german companies?
# [02:59] <moo-_-> kerozene: I don't know. Ask from someone in network hardware business?
# [02:59] <kerozene> are is. I must use that form more often
# [02:59] <kerozene> why would I ask them about a claim you're making :)
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# [03:00] <kerozene> look inside a german datacentre and you see all american brands
# [03:00] <moo-_-> kerozene: yes, but you don't get US customer service, takedown notices and all that
# [03:00] <moo-_-> kerozene: which makes US unpopular country along IT professionals
# [03:00] <kerozene> right. that's why I'm trying to tease out what you mean by 'do their shit properly'
# [03:00] <kerozene> so now we're ruling out engineering, right?
# [03:01] <llamapixel> eat some italian pizza while you code on korean chipsets and build libraries for your U.S. operating system whilst patting your Australian Wombat
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# [03:01] <moo-_-> kerozene: I don't think there is point arguing with you
# [03:01] <llamapixel> its a rather ddaft argument
# [03:01] <kerozene> no, I don't think there's a point in you arguing with me about this either
# [03:02] <llamapixel> kids these days....
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# [03:04] <moo-_-> german is politically more stable, economically more stable, geographically more stable (no hurricans), their HW is same, their customer service is superior and the price is about the same
# [03:05] <llamapixel> give it a rest now
# [03:05] <kerozene> :)
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# [03:06] <llamapixel> no one cares for border patriots who use other countries parts and operating systems but because its in a country its better? grow up and take a stroll outside, into the traffic by chance.
# [03:06] <llamapixel> Australia invented wifi, its better in Australia to use it here is your straw mans argument.
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# [03:08] <kerozene> I would never host with hetzner
# [03:08] <kerozene> it's immoral to give money to a porn mogul
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# [03:09] <llamapixel> zero days exploits could give a shite if there is a border
# [03:09] <llamapixel> the plural meaning they were discovered for days and not revealed
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# [04:54] <SrPx> How do I set a css style for a particular word inside a paragraph? What tag should I use?
# [04:55] <tw2113> span would work
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# [04:55] <d3m0n`> Depends how youre styling it
# [04:55] <d3m0n`> Does it need emphasis? Is it correlated with other words? Is it a highlighted word?
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# [04:59] <SrPx> so, This is my text.?
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# [05:01] <d3m0n`> Sorry, hit enter too soon,.
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# [05:03] <d3m0n`> SrPx: Correct, and naming it accordingly
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# [13:05] <martinklepsch> I'm currently trying to download an MP3 from a different origin to modify it with JS. I know there is Same-Origin-Policy but is there no way to get the MP3 into my JS?
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# [13:05] <martinklepsch> Maybe Flash?
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# [13:19] <Jon47> martinklepsch: look into CORS, there are some limits as far as backwards compatibility but it should give you what you need
# [13:20] <Jon47> Flash I think will also have the same limitations, in which case you may need to modify a cross-domain.xml file
# [13:20] <martinklepsch> Jon47: for CORS I need to configure the server where the MP3 is coming from, which I cannot
# [13:20] <Jon47> ah, i see
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# [13:20] <Jon47> it should be the same with flash
# [13:20] <Jon47> what about jsonp?
# [13:21] <martinklepsch> Jon47: can that work for something like http://abc.com/test.mp3 ?
# [13:21] <Jon47> I've never tried to use it with anything but JSON, but the theory is sound I believe
# [13:22] <Jon47> martinklepsch: an alternative would be to download the file from the remote server to your local server, and then process it there
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# [13:22] <Jon47> actually that's probably the "recommended" method
# [13:23] <martinklepsch> I read a bit about JSONP and it does not seem to be a suitable solution
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# [13:24] <Jon47> is it an option to download a copy from the cross-domain server to the same-domain server?
# [13:24] <martinklepsch> Jon47: this is the obvious solution of course but It would cause a lot of uneccesary traffic
# [13:24] <Jon47> it's really the safest way
# [13:25] <Jon47> imagine the havoc if any script on the internet could download any resource from any location
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# [13:30] <martinklepsch> yeah, a lot more cat pictures everywhere!
# [13:32] <martinklepsch> Jon47: I really just want the binary content of the MP3. There are some Apis like the Web Audio Api which will provide this access in future I think
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# [14:00] <Jon47> martinklepsch: I think this is a method of handling audio data in a browser, it would be surprising to me if it changed CORS in any way
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# [14:18] <martinklepsch> Jon47: <audio> tags are not subject to same-origin-policy so if I would get access to the raw audio data from that it should work, not?
# [14:20] <Jon47> you could give that a shot
# [14:20] <Jon47> let me know how that goes
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# [14:47] <Kolex> Hi we are a company located in Sweden, we are looking for developer in HTML 5 to produce a secure message system, encrypted with highest possible standard, not java apples or plugins, html 5 based only. We posted our project on guru.com we estimated the project cost to 5-10.000 USD http://www.guru.com/emp/ProjectDetail.aspx?ProjectId=913152
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# [16:21] <quang> is there a html5 web video player that can play flv wmv avi mpg divx
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# [17:15] <moo-_-> quang: no
# [17:16] <moo-_-> not possible by definiton
# [17:16] <quang> why not
# [17:16] <moo-_-> because HTML5 <video> plays only formats supported by the browser natively
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# [17:16] <moo-_-> so you convert your video files for suitable format
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# [17:30] <quang> ok
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# [17:35] <motka> I want to be the creator of
# [17:35] <motka> HTML7
# [17:35] <motka> can I set basic foundations right now?
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# [17:42] <tantek> motka - sure, see if you can commit some interoperable code to a few browsers ;)
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# [17:43] <motka> why don't I be like Joseph Broz Tito from the ex Yugoslavia
# [17:43] <motka> and create a whole new standard on the WWW
# [17:43] <motka> even a new language
# [17:43] <motka> new approach
# [17:43] <motka> new protocols and whatever else I'd be needing
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# [17:44] <motka> so I'll get to have the new internet
# [17:45] <motka> meaning: the non-aligned internet
# [17:45] <motka> hehe
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# [17:48] <moo-_-> motka: please contact Chinese government
# [17:48] <moo-_-> they might want to recruit you
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# [17:50] <motka> nah, I am not selling
# [17:51] <motka> doing this for my ex country
# [17:51] <motka> yugoslavia :P
# [17:51] <motka> hehe
# [17:51] <tantek> motka - nationalism is so 20th century. :P
# [17:53] <motka> yugoslavia was so EuropeanUnion in the '70ties, what EuropeanUnion is today :P
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# [19:04] <danielfilho> does anyone knows if FirefoxOS already supports flexbox?
# [19:05] <moo-_-> danielfilho: I think it follows the main FF releases
# [19:05] <moo-_-> as the gecko going in is the same
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# [19:08] <danielfilho> great, just found it: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666041
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# [19:08] <danielfilho> thank you moo-_- :)
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# [19:11] <moo-_-> dahlfors: np. not sure if I were helpful :D
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# [22:06] <adelgado> How can I make sure that form validation on tel and email gets triggered even if the form submission originated from an onclick someone else is responsible for?
# [22:07] <adelgado> checkValidity() ?
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# [22:08] <adelgado> Looks like it, thanks ;)
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# [23:03] <problemEmitter> Hey everyone!
# [23:03] <problemEmitter> Can anybody take a look at this short code? https://gist.github.com/362ea4cfc45ae6a61762
# [23:04] <problemEmitter> Basically it encrypts a file and uploads/downloads via XHR2
# [23:04] <problemEmitter> Using https://github.com/eligrey/FileSaver.js/ to force downloads
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# [23:05] <problemEmitter> now, when using plaintext files like .txt, .css and whatever plaintext content - everything works fine
# [23:05] <problemEmitter> but when i test it with images/whateverElse then the files generated are corrupt
# [23:06] <moo-_-> problemEmitter: most likely messed newlines?
# [23:06] <moo-_-> or other stupid ASCII transformation
# [23:06] <moo-_-> just compare the source and resulting files
# [23:06] <moo-_-> bin compare
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# [23:08] <problemEmitter> how should i binary compare?
# [23:08] <problemEmitter> when comparing input/output as strings with === it evaluates to true..
# [23:08] <problemEmitter> when testing base64 and raw data aswell
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# [23:08] <problemEmitter> maybe im creating the blow in a wrong way?
# [23:09] <problemEmitter> blob*
# [23:09] <problemEmitter> new Blob([<raw data string>], <mime type>);
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# [23:41] <Mosselman> hey all. I am wondering what local storage uses to determine that I am on 'the same' page.
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# [23:41] <Mosselman> if I type this into the location bar of my browser (chrome): data:text/html, <html />
# [23:41] <Mosselman> I get an empty page, but my local storage won't persist, i.e., when I store something I can't get to it when I refresh
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