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1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 30 00:00:00 2013
2. # Session Ident: #html5
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8. # [00:04] <Jon47> Mosselman: scheme + hostname + non-standard port
9. # [00:05] <Mosselman> Jon47: thanks
10. # [00:05] <Mosselman> what does scheme stand for?
11. # [00:05] <Jon47> protocol
12. # [00:05] <Mosselman> rather, what is it?
13. # [00:05] <Mosselman> alright
14. # [00:05] <Mosselman> thanks
15. # [00:05] <Jon47> {scheme}://{hostname}:{port}
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19. # [00:05] <Mosselman> Is there a way to set these for local storage to read? rather than getting them from the url?
20. # [00:05] <Jon47> haha, i don't think so
21. # [00:05] <Mosselman> url, as in location bar
22. # [00:05] <Jon47> what a mess that would be
23. # [00:05] <Mosselman> Jon47: It would, but would be nice in my case ;)
24. # [00:06] <Mosselman> would be very hack friendly btw
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27. # [00:07] <Jon47> i'm not sure what the spec says about file uris (not to mention browser compat), that's a bit of an edge case, have at it though: http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/
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46. # [00:30] <paul__> i have a quick question, how do people feel about support for retina screens on web pages?
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48. # [00:31] <paul__> and by feel i mean how high on your priority list is it?
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62. # [00:57] <dekiss> should I use <article> when typing text?
63. # [01:00] <kerozene> that question makes no sense
64. # [01:00] <paul_> haha
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66. # [01:00] <kerozene> should I use a spoon while driving?
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68. # [01:01] <paul147> if you're eating cereal
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70. # [01:01] <kerozene> only then?
71. # [01:01] <paul147> well soup would work too
72. # [01:01] <kerozene> what if I'm having an egg and spoon race on wheels
73. # [01:01] <paul147> nope not then :)
74. # [01:02] <kerozene> you're going to get me disqualified
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76. # [01:03] <dekiss> can someone with 4-5 years old browser see my web page right if I use nav and article tags?
77. # [01:03] <dekiss> guys I mean are those tags recommended? :D
78. # [01:03] <kerozene> depends on the browser
79. # [01:07] <kerozene> dekiss: take a look at modernizr and html5boilerplate
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83. # [01:10] <dekiss> thanks kerozene
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158. # [03:04] <cgcardona> what's up #html5 ?
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459. # [11:09] <pingec> IndexedDB, Web SQL, Web Storage, Chrome's FileWriter are there any other mechanisms I don't know about for storing local data in html5 ?
460. # [11:10] <shwetank> Data URIs and a json file cached in Appcache :P
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462. # [11:11] <pingec> thanks i will google those two
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464. # [11:15] <pingec> ok I think those two I cannot use to save dynamic app data
465. # [11:15] <pingec> that will persist per domain
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467. # [11:17] <shwetank> yeah, I think you have it covered. Also, take a look at lawnchair.js if you havent http://brian.io/lawnchair/
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471. # [11:22] <pingec> it says it uses dom storage by default
472. # [11:22] <pingec> isn't dom nonpersistent through say... a refresh ?
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474. # [11:26] <pingec> oh i am wrong
475. # [11:26] <pingec> nevermind
476. # [11:28] <pingec> so DOM storage == Web Storage
477. # [11:28] <pingec> ah
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563. # [13:54] <moo-_-> how was the person asking here about local storage sync?
564. # [13:54] <moo-_-> I came across a new project which might help him
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569. # [13:55] <moo-_-> pingec: you might also check http://jster.net/blog/javascript-storage-libraries-explored#.UQc8h3d5mSM
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582. # [14:09] <pingec> moo-_- thanks for the link
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795. # [18:27] <root66> Hi, can someone please tell me why http://pastebin.com/B4R507N5 works without <!DOCTYPE html> but breaks when added?
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801. # [18:28] <grindhold> hello everyone. <audio> has a src-attribute to enter the soundfile or the possibility to declare the soundfile in a <source>-tag inside the <audio>-tag. what is best practice, where are the differences?
802. # [18:29] <grindhold> both work in my mozilla-based browser, there is apparently no difference in functionality
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804. # [18:30] <root66> <source> is for defining multiple sources
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806. # [18:31] <root66> but then again, I don't even see src listed on w3
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808. # [18:31] <root66> so I would probably use it
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811. # [18:33] <grindhold> root66: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_audio.asp < i found the <audio src="">-attribute here. maybe it's obsolete then
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815. # [18:36] <root66> oh yeah, there it is.. nah, if it's there I say use it
816. # [18:37] <root66> and just use <source> if you have multiple sources
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825. # [18:40] <root66> ok, fixed one bug but still can't figure this out... it works in both chrome and firefox as long as I don't declare <!DOCTYPE html> http://pastebin.com/jR8RArWr
826. # [18:40] <grindhold> root66: thanks for the advice :)
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828. # [18:40] <root66> grindhold: as a general rule, if it's listed on w3 and shortens my code, i'll use it.
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830. # [18:41] <grindhold> as it seems, the gecko-renderer isn't able to interpret multiple sources anyway
831. # [18:41] <root66> plus I hate attributes with their own tag
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833. # [18:41] <grindhold> root66: right
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835. # [18:41] <root66> reminds me of xml
836. # [18:42] <root66> (which I hate)
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933. # [20:32] <funkt> hi
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935. # [20:33] <funkt> I have written an html search form which has a value of "search" when the input box is clicked it vanishes
936. # [20:33] <funkt> when the submit button is just clicked it hooks the word "search" and enters it into the search query
937. # [20:34] <funkt> whereas I would just like it to be default if I remove the value from the search input it returns to its default search query
938. # [20:34] <mishugana> do you have a live site
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940. # [20:34] <funkt> would anyone know how to hide the value if a user was to just click the submit button
941. # [20:35] <funkt> I don't have a live site i'm working on a local server if your asking me
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943. # [20:36] <paul147> could you use js and an on submit for the form to erase it?
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945. # [20:36] <mishugana> use JS to make a case for it
946. # [20:37] <mishugana> you are probably already using JS to vanish it
947. # [20:37] <funkt> that;s what I was wondering the text is fine it removes on click on the input box
948. # [20:37] <funkt> but it gets tangled up in the search query
949. # [20:37] <mishugana> so just make a case like, if(whaetevr==="search") whatever="default stuff"
950. # [20:38] <mishugana> tangled up
951. # [20:38] <mishugana> ?
952. # [20:38] <mishugana> can you at least pastebin the code
953. # [20:38] <mishugana> or jsfiddle
954. # [20:38] <funkt> for example /?s=Search&cat=12 should be ?s=&cat=12 the value word "search" from the input is there
955. # [20:39] <mishugana> yeah because you never remove it
956. # [20:39] <funkt> correct
957. # [20:39] <paul147> like he said, just remove it before the form fires off with JS
958. # [20:39] <funkt> how do i remove it if a user decides to click the submit button?
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960. # [20:39] <paul147> catch the submit event with JS
961. # [20:39] <funkt> how the heck would i do that?
962. # [20:39] <mishugana> yeah in the same way you probably have a JS snippit for the onclick
963. # [20:39] <paul147> http://api.jquery.com/submit/
964. # [20:40] <mishugana> put an onclick for the submit button
965. # [20:40] <funkt> thats exactly what i'm after!
966. # [20:40] <funkt> an on click function
967. # [20:40] <mishugana> there are lots of ways you can do it
968. # [20:40] <mishugana> im interested to know how you did it to have the the search removed
969. # [20:41] <funkt> I wish I knew how thanks for the link but I don't really understand it
970. # [20:41] <mishugana> so that i can give you a solution that is most like the way you did it before
971. # [20:41] <mishugana> so that you will be able to understand it the most
972. # [20:41] <paul147> can you remove the search text with css only on click?
973. # [20:41] <mishugana> no he is using js
974. # [20:41] <funkt> onfocus="if(this.value==this.defaultValue)this.value='';" onblur="if(this.value=='')this.value=this.defaultValue;
975. # [20:41] <mishugana> no jquery, and its probably inline
976. # [20:41] <paul147> but could you?
977. # [20:42] <funkt> that removes the input text
978. # [20:42] <mishugana> you could
979. # [20:42] <paul147> wouldn't that be the best way to go about it?
980. # [20:42] <mishugana> in theory the PURE css way, which seems kinda ridiculous, woul dbe to hide the text when you click on a div, by using :focus
981. # [20:42] <mishugana> but i thinkt he JS method is bbetter
982. # [20:43] <funkt> so how would I stop it from being in the search query?
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984. # [20:43] <paul147> you could remove the input element before submitting the form if it's empty
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986. # [20:44] <mishugana> use the onclick method
987. # [20:44] <funkt> but it's not empty it has the word search
988. # [20:44] <mishugana> it works the same as the onfocus
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990. # [20:44] <mishugana> and then do an if statement testing if it has the word "search"
991. # [20:44] <paul147> but it you make a condition for the word search, you would know
992. # [20:44] <paul147> yeah
993. # [20:44] <mishugana> if it does, make it empty
994. # [20:44] <funkt> i'm confused
995. # [20:46] <funkt> http://jsfiddle.net/GtsW7/
996. # [20:46] <funkt> that works fine
997. # [20:46] <paul147> http://pastebin.com/STHjqQZt
998. # [20:47] <funkt> but the only problem I have is if someone clicks the submit button submit gets used in the search query
999. # [20:49] <funkt> thanks but still ends up in the search query
1000. # [20:50] <paul147> don't use a submit button then
1001. # [20:50] <paul147> do an onclick that fires off the submit
1002. # [20:50] <funkt> I need to
1003. # [20:50] <paul147> with a regular button or div or whatever
1004. # [20:50] <funkt> but it will still end up with the word "search" in the url
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1006. # [20:51] <paul147> ah but not if you remove it :)
1007. # [20:51] <funkt> ?s=search&cat=12
1008. # [20:51] <bot-t> funkt, Couldn't find "s=search&cat=12" in jQuery Docs.
1009. # [20:51] <funkt> remove what lol?
1010. # [20:52] <paul147> the search input element
1011. # [20:52] <funkt> remove search from the input value
1012. # [20:52] <funkt> but then I wont have the word search in the input form
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1014. # [20:52] <paul147> but you don't remove it until the form is submit, after that it doesn't matter because they won't be seeing that page anymore
1015. # [20:53] <funkt> Oh man I wish I understood what you meant
1016. # [20:53] <paul147> let me see if i can get something running that i can link to
1017. # [20:53] <funkt> cheers mate
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1019. # [20:57] <paul147> okay here's something: http://jsfiddle.net/GtsW7/1/
1020. # [20:58] <paul147> i put in some js that will remove the search element if it's default
1021. # [21:00] <funkt> thanks very much for your help!
1022. # [21:00] <funkt> that's kind of you
1023. # [21:00] <paul147> sure, i'm kind of stuck on a problem so i needed a break :)
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1139. # [23:26] <Jon47> what's the hippest lorem ipsum generator going around these days
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1150. # [23:31] <Syzygy> can I force a <canvas> to adapt to the screensize? according to w3shools it only takes pixel values as input
1151. # [23:32] <Syzygy> well, the height only takes pixels
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1156. # [23:36] <dhaber> Syzygy: height/width takes pixels.. css can be used to scale. fullscreen api can also scale depending on browser. But the actual height/width is pixels and if you need to do something fancy you need to adjust those values dynamically yourself.
1157. # [23:36] <dhaber> The actual image size is always the number of pixels specified for h/w though. Everything else is just scaling.
1158. # [23:38] <Syzygy> well I tried giving it a 100% via css and it didn't work
1159. # [23:38] <Syzygy> maybe I did something wrong since I'm just lerning and relearning this stuff
1160. # [23:39] <Syzygy> http://pastie.org/5974997 this is what i have so far
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1164. # [23:40] <moo-_-> Syzygy: let me see
1165. # [23:40] <moo-_-> Syzygy: or
1166. # [23:40] <moo-_-> can you do it on jsfiddle.net
1167. # [23:40] <moo-_-> so can be fixed in-place? :)
1168. # [23:41] <Syzygy> well, i never used that site, so i have no idea
1169. # [23:41] <moo-_-> Syzygy: today is good day to start!
1170. # [23:41] <Syzygy> it looks like a good tool
1171. # [23:41] <moo-_-> it's live collaborative js-css-html editor debugger whatevr
1172. # [23:42] <moo-_-> let's just say it makes sharing bugs easy :)
1173. # [23:42] <Syzygy> http://jsfiddle.net/PhmTQ/
1174. # [23:42] <dhaber> yeah.. I was about to say use jsfiddle too.. That makes it possible for us to hand you back modified copies.
1175. # [23:42] <dhaber> nice
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1177. # [23:43] <dhaber> drawImage doesn't take percentages
1178. # [23:44] <dhaber> I'm pretty sure it is just pixel values.
1179. # [23:44] <Syzygy> well i'm doing this on canvas right now actually
1180. # [23:44] <Syzygy> is this like piratepad where we'll see each others changes or is it like pastebin?
1181. # [23:45] <moo-_-> Syzygy: <canvas> have two dimensions
1182. # [23:45] <moo-_-> on screen dimensions (CSS)
1183. # [23:45] <moo-_-> and internal pixel buffer size (backend pixel array)
1184. # [23:46] <moo-_-> Syzygy: so you set width and height *attributesÄ to how many pixels you want
1185. # [23:46] <moo-_-> Syzygy: and then with CSS you style the element to fit the full page
1186. # [23:46] <moo-_-> browser will scale the image
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1188. # [23:46] <Syzygy> well, right now i'll need to get this jsfiddle thing to some working condition
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1190. # [23:48] <moo-_-> Syzygy: ok
1191. # [23:48] <moo-_-> let me do it for you
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1193. # [23:48] <Syzygy> http://jsfiddle.net/PhmTQ/3/ i think this should do it, right?
1194. # [23:49] <moo-_-> Syzygy: also, you are doing <img> wrong
1195. # [23:49] <Syzygy> possibly
1196. # [23:49] <moo-_-> Syzygy: no, that's totally wrong
1197. # [23:49] <moo-_-> let me do it for you
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1201. # [23:50] <Syzygy> ok
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1204. # [23:51] <moo-_-> Syzygy: "NetworkError: 403 Forbidden - http://i.imgur.com/RUNwh3s.jpg"
1205. # [23:51] <moo-_-> probably don't allow hotlinking
1206. # [23:52] <moo-_-> let me try with some image
1207. # [23:52] <dhaber> http://jsfiddle.net/8kMJq/ I got rid of your missing (and misplaced) <img> .. Draw a red rect instead. Your css was missing the "." before panel and used "=" instead of ":".. you had "c.getContext" instead of "canvas.getContext" added "use strict" to catch errors.
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1209. # [23:52] <dhaber> and I stripped out most of the HTML. I don't think it takes a full page like you had.. (could be wrong)
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1211. # [23:53] <Syzygy> so where would i put the image then?
1212. # [23:54] <dhaber> If you store it somewhere (maybe even imgur) you can reference its full url. Otherwise you can use the "Add Resources" thing on jsfiddle, I think. Never tried.
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1216. # [23:54] <Syzygy> ok, i tried putting that back together into the HTML file and it doesn't work
1217. # [23:55] <moo-_-> Syzygy: here
1218. # [23:55] <moo-_-> have a kitten http://jsfiddle.net/PhmTQ/9/
1219. # [23:56] <Syzygy> ah, so i can just reference the image in JS, that's probably easier to do than defining it in the HTML just so i can get it by ID
1220. # [23:56] <dhaber> Syzygy: it can be important too, since you can't use it before it is loaded without bad things happening.
1221. # [23:56] <moo-_-> Syzygy: yes, you get better control when image is loaded or not
1222. # [23:56] <moo-_-> Syzygy: in a race condition you can draw it before it's loaded
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1224. # [23:58] <Syzygy> ok, now I would like to get that back into an useable HTML, because I can't use both of your examples for some reason
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1227. # [23:59] <dhaber> Syzygy: Do you run with an error console open? It'll help you find the problems quickly.
1228. # [23:59] <Syzygy> i have firebug
1229. # [23:59] <Syzygy> but otherwise no
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