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  1. # Session Start: Mon Feb 04 00:00:00 2013
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  6. # [00:03] <Mosselman> $.ajax({'dataType' : 'script', 'url': "http://somefile.js"})
  7. # [00:03] <Mosselman> not really non-executable
  8. # [00:03] <Mosselman> but you could then set some window.variable, or something more fancy like triggering an event
  9. # [00:04] <Mosselman> with the required data
  10. # [00:04] <Mosselman> quidnunc: ^^
  11. # [00:04] <Mosselman> otherwise: http://msgpack.org/
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  24. # [00:28] <quidnunc> Mosselman: Doesn't that violate the same-origin policy?
  25. # [00:29] <Mosselman> quidnunc: which of all?
  26. # [00:29] <Mosselman> the script or msgpack?
  27. # [00:29] <quidnunc> script
  28. # [00:29] <Mosselman> doesn't with me
  29. # [00:29] <Mosselman> it is like appending a script tag to the head
  30. # [00:30] <Mosselman> which is how bookmarklets work
  31. # [00:30] <Mosselman> if you go to my site: bookmarkify.it you can see that when you create a bookmarklet, I append a script to the head that then calls the script you created from my server.
  32. # [00:31] <Mosselman> only issues that arise then are with SSL
  33. # [00:31] <Mosselman> (sometimes)
  34. # [00:31] <quidnunc> Mosselman: I'm interested in binary data not scripts. Can I download binary data from another origin?
  35. # [00:31] <quidnunc> where the other origin is not under my control?
  36. # [00:32] <Mosselman> xml works
  37. # [00:32] <Mosselman> or the aforementioned msgpack
  38. # [00:32] <quidnunc> arbitrary binary dat
  39. # [00:32] <Mosselman> which is supposedly faster than json
  40. # [00:32] <Mosselman> quidnunc: can you give an example?
  41. # [00:33] <quidnunc> Mosselman: Download an mp3 from a blog
  42. # [00:33] <Mosselman> I see
  43. # [00:33] <Mosselman> through javascript?
  44. # [00:33] <quidnunc> and then process it in javascript
  45. # [00:33] <quidnunc> Mosselman: Client side, not necessarily javascript but I don't see another way
  46. # [00:33] <Mosselman> shouldn't you be able to 'download' it with html(-ish)
  47. # [00:33] <quidnunc> Mosselman: url is dynamic
  48. # [00:33] <Mosselman> like with images
  49. # [00:33] <Mosselman> you can append an html tag
  50. # [00:34] <quidnunc> Mosselman: and I want to process the data
  51. # [00:35] <Mosselman> quidnunc: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6165266/downloading-mp3-files-using-html5-blobs-in-a-chrome-extension
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  55. # [00:39] <quidnunc> Mosselman: I think those examples need Access-Control-Allow-Origin. I guess I will have to use that
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  57. # [00:40] <Mosselman> normally your browser should be able to download most files
  58. # [00:40] <Mosselman> do you have a link to an mp3 file that I can try?
  59. # [00:40] <Mosselman> maybe I can find something
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  61. # [00:47] <quidnunc> Mosselman: http://www.tonycuffe.com/mp3/tailtoddle_lo.mp3
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  63. # [00:50] <Mosselman> yep, I get a access-control-allow-origin too
  64. # [00:51] <Mosselman> with jquery that is
  65. # [00:51] <Mosselman> quidnunc: ^^
  66. # [00:51] <Mosselman> let me try something else
  67. # [00:53] <quidnunc> Mosselman: I don't think there is a way around it.
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  69. # [00:53] <Mosselman> quidnunc: how do you want to process the mp3
  70. # [00:53] <Mosselman> ?
  71. # [00:54] <Mosselman> a lib or something like that?
  72. # [00:54] <quidnunc> Mosselman: Process that data in javascript
  73. # [00:54] <Mosselman> line by line?
  74. # [00:55] <Mosselman> either way, doing this: jQuery('body').append("<audio><source src='http://www.tonycuffe.com/mp3/tailtoddle_lo.mp3' type='audio/mpeg'></audio>")
  75. # [00:55] <Mosselman> will make the browser download the file
  76. # [00:57] <Mosselman> http://www.sitepoint.com/3-breakthrough-ways-to-visualize-html5-audio/ under "There are also limitations..."
  77. # [00:58] <quidnunc> But how would I access the data in javascript?
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  80. # [01:03] <moo-_-> quidnunc: you don't use <audio> tag, you use Web Audio API
  81. # [01:03] <moo-_-> for programmatically access of audio data
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  83. # [01:04] <moo-_-> quidnunc: check html5rocks.com web audio
  84. # [01:04] <Mosselman> moo-_-: the problem he is having is with access control
  85. # [01:05] <Mosselman> moo-_-: would the web audio api be a way around that?
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  92. # [01:15] <moo-_-> Mosselman: nothing is way around CORS
  93. # [01:15] <moo-_-> that's how web is designed
  94. # [01:15] <moo-_-> otherwise you could steal arbitary binary data from facebook
  95. # [01:15] <moo-_-> unless the remote server is co-operative you set up your own proxy
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  97. # [01:16] <Mosselman> moo-_-: what do you mean with proxy?
  98. # [01:16] <moo-_-> Mosselman: a server which serves your own JS would also do proxy requests from audio
  99. # [01:16] <moo-_-> a middle man server
  100. # [01:17] <Mosselman> moo-_-: ah yes of course
  101. # [01:17] <moo-_-> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3076414/ways-to-circumvent-the-same-origin-policy
  102. # [01:17] <Mosselman> seems like the most obvious choice
  103. # [01:17] <Mosselman> increased traffic, but alas
  104. # [01:17] <Mosselman> mp3 files are that way
  105. # [01:17] <Mosselman> quidnunc: ^^
  106. # [01:18] <moo-_-> and if the remote doesn't like you they can simple ban your proxy server IP
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  108. # [01:21] <quidnunc> moo-_-: thanksw
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  110. # [01:24] <Mosselman> moo-_-: that is where cloud servers come in ;)
  111. # [01:24] <Mosselman> but yeah, you should at least have some sort of throttling
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  308. # [07:57] <dekiss> how much old old browsers support title attribute
  309. # [07:57] <dekiss> how much backward compatible is?
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  340. # [09:03] <squeakytoy_> Hey all. This is maybe a stupid question, but if a user selects a file via a file input, is there no way I can get the full path of that file?
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  343. # [09:06] <Trisox> no because of browser security
  344. # [09:06] <squeakytoy_> i was really sure there *was* a way in the new html 5
  345. # [09:06] <squeakytoy_> api
  346. # [09:06] <Trisox> hmm not that i know of but didnt dive deep in ot it
  347. # [09:07] <Trisox> pre html5 it was not posible that i know of :)
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  356. # [09:20] <squeakytoy_> if anyone knows a way to get the file path, please pm me :-) how strange the idea might be
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  360. # [09:32] <zenoamaro> it's not really possible. Also, the new FS api is heavily sandboxed
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  366. # [09:33] <zenoamaro> squeakytoy_: do you have a specific use case for that?
  367. # [09:33] <squeakytoy_> yea
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  369. # [09:33] <squeakytoy_> the server computer is within the network and should access it, hence we need the path
  370. # [09:33] <squeakytoy_> :-)
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  384. # [09:52] <KewinWang> test
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  549. # [14:15] <moo-_-> squeakytoy_: I suggest you push your luck with https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!mdn+file+api ----> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/File
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  551. # [14:15] <moo-_-> squeakytoy_: Firefox seems to expose full path
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  575. # [14:56] <squeakytoy_> did try it though, but without luck
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  577. # [14:57] <Ms2ger> moo-_-, the full path shouldn't be exposed to web pages
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  591. # [15:20] <moo-_-> aaa
  592. # [15:20] <moo-_-> it's chrome only
  593. # [15:20] <moo-_-> "chrome" as in "gecko chrome"
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  602. # [15:31] <moo-_-> Ms2ger: thanks!
  603. # [15:31] <Ms2ger> Np
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  657. # [16:41] <savid> Does HTML5 have a spec for saving generated files from the browser? That is, if my HTML5 app generates a file, and I want to allow the user to save that file where they choose, how might that be possible?
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  659. # [16:45] <moo-_-> savid: yes, nowadays there should be one
  660. # [16:45] <moo-_-> one mo
  661. # [16:45] <moo-_-> savid: http://updates.html5rocks.com/2011/08/Saving-generated-files-on-the-client-side
  662. # [16:46] <moo-_-> disclaimer: blobbuilder is deprecated
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  665. # [16:48] <savid> moo-_-, ok, I've been playing with BlobBuilder and BlobBuilder.js, I just wasn't sure if that was the only way. BlobBuilder doesn't seem to work on safari 6 or the latest chrome, whereas the new Blob() constructor works on Chrome, but not safari.
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  667. # [16:48] <savid> Still struggling to find something that works with safari :-/
  668. # [16:48] <moo-_-> savid: you won't
  669. # [16:48] <moo-_-> been there, done that
  670. # [16:49] <savid> Heh, well that's encouraging :-P
  671. # [16:49] <moo-_-> it's a fact
  672. # [16:49] <moo-_-> unless magical Apple fairies have been updating their Safari lately
  673. # [16:50] <savid> moo-_-, basically it's this. I've written an HTML5 app for a client that is supposed to work with other browsers, but especially must work in offline mode on the iPad. Lately they've wanted to add a "print" functionality. So, I dived into pdf.js to generate pdfs locally, only to find that I can't get the PDF data to "download" from Safari.
  674. # [16:51] <savid> err, jspdf, not pdf.js
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  676. # [16:52] <moo-_-> savid: well, in this case what they want is not possible within the constrains of Apple WebKit
  677. # [16:52] <moo-_-> savid: of course it's possible if they buy APPL and make a management decisionto support required features, but I think your clients might not be that rich :P
  678. # [16:52] <moo-_-> so I just implemented it as a server-side loopback fallback for Safari
  679. # [16:53] <moo-_-> savid: so I suggest you tell your clients to add the feature on a wish list which will be implemented when future iOS versions support it
  680. # [16:55] <savid> Wish I'd known it was impossible before I spent 20+ hours on it :-/
  681. # [16:55] <savid> Oh well. I still think I went the right route generating the PDF locally, which, if Blob worked on safari, would allow them to save a pdf while offline.
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  683. # [16:56] <savid> for now I'll just have to POST that data to a server, then resend that data back as a download, and say the feature only works online
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  690. # [17:01] <moo-_-> savid: always ask on stackoverflow.com before doing orignal research ;)
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  695. # [17:10] <savid> Hah, lesson learned!!
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  701. # [17:14] <n-iCe> can anyone give me a based html5 site url, pls.
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  709. # [17:25] <moo-_-> n-iCe: http://html5boilerplate.com/
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  784. # [18:48] <singleb> has anyone looked at the boilerplate at https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/index.html ? I don't understand the logic in their naming for instance they write things like <!--[if IE 7]> <html class="no-js lt-ie9 lt-ie8"> <![endif]--> why? I would write it <!--[if IE 7]> <html class="no-js lt-ie7"> <![endif]-->
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  788. # [18:51] <tw2113> IE7 is still less than IE8-9
  789. # [18:52] <David_Bradbury> If IE7, no-js and less-than ie7?
  790. # [18:53] <singleb> lt => less than -__- i see ok well i read that too fast
  791. # [18:54] <singleb> one thing I was wondering relating to that is facebook signup form has no client side javascript validation is there a reasons why?
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  794. # [18:58] <David_Bradbury> Probably because client-side validation isn't secure, and they likely don't see it as important. They instead do all their validation on the server.
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  911. # [21:36] <sand_> what do you call a file with html5 doctype and not html5 tags in the markup whats so ever?
  912. # [21:36] <ironfroggy> what is in it then?
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  914. # [21:36] <ironfroggy> many tags are implied. you'd be surprised what you can omit in a valid html5 doc.
  915. # [21:36] <sand_> regular html tags
  916. # [21:36] <ironfroggy> whats the difference?
  917. # [21:36] <sand_> no sections heades articles
  918. # [21:37] <sand_> all divs
  919. # [21:37] <ironfroggy> div is still valid in html5
  920. # [21:37] <sand_> i know but if a client ask for html5
  921. # [21:37] <ironfroggy> does the client know what html5 means
  922. # [21:37] <Jon47> hehe
  923. # [21:37] <sand_> i guessing not
  924. # [21:37] <ironfroggy> what do they think it means? give them that.
  925. # [21:37] <sand_> cause i was pass this code
  926. # [21:37] <sand_> and was like uh...
  927. # [21:38] <sand_> only thing html5 here is the doctype...
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  929. # [21:38] <sand_> i just dont know how to break the news to the client
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  933. # [21:38] <sand_> you paid extra for a doctype
  934. # [21:38] <sand_> ?
  935. # [21:39] <ironfroggy> why would it be extra
  936. # [21:39] <sand_> the previous guy sold them on it
  937. # [21:39] <sand_> it took them 5 months to do one page
  938. # [21:39] <sand_> haha
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  943. # [21:42] <sand_> I guess I'm asking whats the point of using html5 if you're not using the html5 markup?
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  994. # [23:03] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.info http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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  996. # [23:03] -asimov.freenode.net:#html5- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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  1012. # [23:35] <David_Bradbury> Five months for a single page? o_o
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  1020. # [23:46] <martisj> David_Bradbury: good effort :)
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