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  105. # [02:00] <ill0> hello! the web audio api is crashing my browser when it tries to play a sound, in the latest version of canary?
  106. # [02:00] <ill0> any ideas?
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  108. # [02:01] <ill0> and the latest version of regular chrome
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  111. # [02:07] <Phoebus> Night all
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  134. # [02:57] <agu10^> what is the right way to make this login form detect errors and log the user WITHOUT refreshing the page? using ajax. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9535762/bizoogo/new/home/home.html
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  143. # [03:16] <zettam> Huys I got a terribly easy question
  144. # [03:16] <zettam> what the hell does :: mean in CSS
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  147. # [03:23] <danielfilho> zettam: :: is used for ::before and ::after pseudo-elements.
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  150. # [03:24] <danielfilho> it's done this way to be distinctly different from pseudo-classes.
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  152. # [03:25] <danielfilho> a pseudo class is like: `a:hover`, and a pseudo-element is `a::before`
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  270. # [06:12] <phase00> anyone know a channel for frontend development questions?
  271. # [06:13] <phase00> outside of just html5
  272. # [06:14] <tantek> check out #microformats for semantic markup in general
  273. # [06:15] <phase00> cool, i'll have a look there, thanks
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  302. # [07:52] <mokush> does anybody know anything about these guys? http://www.clevertech.biz/
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  656. # [16:51] <jeffsz_wrk> hi folks
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  658. # [16:53] <moo-_-> yo
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  665. # [16:59] <jeffsz_wrk> would you guys say this is as good a place as any to ask broadly-scoped questions about stuff like Knockout and Ember or would you point me somewhere else ? I figure #html5 is the only channel I know of that won't be biased towards one or another and #javascript won't necessarily be full of people using the "newfangled" stuff
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  698. # [17:35] <walidvb> hi guys
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  703. # [17:36] <walidvb> i have this website i did, using History.js, and i don't understand how come i have multiple http requests when i go to load a page. is that normal?
  704. # [17:36] <walidvb> basically, i make an ajax request, replace content, and pushState
  705. # [17:37] <walidvb> i mean i understand that there is multiple requests for the images and so, but they should have different urls, no?
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  720. # [17:48] <walidvb> unchained?
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  723. # [17:49] <TheNightOwl> sorry. pls ignore.. my bad
  724. # [17:49] <walidvb> ok
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  751. # [18:08] <computer2000> for broad support is it sufficient to offer html5 videos in mp4 and ogv or is webm also needed?
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  760. # [18:19] <AskMP> computer2000: you can do the h264 and ogv to get every browser but webm *can* be a smaller file size if done correctly, saving you precious bandwidth if you are worried
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  764. # [18:27] <happarappa> I have 5 comments on this: http://www.w3.org/html/logo/
  765. # [18:27] <happarappa> 1. "Take Control" <- How much control do I have? None. Each browser has its own incompatible ideas about everything. It's a huge mess and there is no control, unlike with Flash.
  766. # [18:27] <happarappa> 2. "Your Web, Your Logo" <- So how is it "my" Web again? And how is using that logo "my" logo?
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  768. # [18:27] <happarappa> 3. "Show Some Love" <- Is this a hippie movement of the 1960s? I can't seem to make out what they actually mean by this nonsensical encouragement (seriously).
  769. # [18:27] <happarappa> 4. "Build It And They Will Come" <- I haven't noticed. It seems more like you build it and then it sits there, forever, unused.
  770. # [18:27] <happarappa> 5. "THE HTML5 SHIRT — BUY IT!" <- Yeah... I'm gonna pay to wear ads for an awful technology which also makes me look stupid in the process.
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  773. # [18:29] <AskMP> happarappa: the HTML5 branding wasn’t intended for developers, it was intended for marketing people and people not in the know.
  774. # [18:29] <happarappa> Hrm.
  775. # [18:29] <AskMP> It helps developers go to their bosses and the IT department that refuses to update their browser.
  776. # [18:29] <happarappa> I feel as if there is a common "theme" on such "awareness" sites. A certain style of the message that bugs me a lot.
  777. # [18:29] <AskMP> Yes, it is annoying hearing pitches saying “We’re going to build an HTML5 application!”
  778. # [18:29] <AskMP> I cringe every time I hear that.
  779. # [18:30] <AskMP> I run the HTML5 Toronto meet up group, and I make sure that I tell people that exact thing.
  780. # [18:30] <AskMP> You’re developing in HTML, HTML5 is just a brand.
  781. # [18:30] <AskMP> in fact, the only thing about HTML5 that is truly HTML5 is the semantic web tags.
  782. # [18:31] <happarappa> I feel with HTML 5 just like I did with flatscreens when they, almost overnight, replaced CRTs without being anywhere near ready.
  783. # [18:31] <Jon47> happarappa: to address your first point, security vulnerabilities in flash can only be fixed by Adobe. if you like closed source on the internet better than open source then that's your call, but I think history will show that it's a weaker model
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  785. # [18:32] <happarappa> Well, I have been forced to make my games in HTML 5, which means Canvas 2D, and the performance is a total nightmare and rendering varies wildly between browsers.
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  787. # [18:32] <happarappa> Even different versions of the same browser changes the performance entirely (in both directions).
  788. # [18:33] <happarappa> Also, I can't even begin to imagine what an advanced vector animation would look like in "HTML 5".
  789. # [18:33] <AskMP> You’re being forced to create in an environment that is still in it’s infancy. Look at Flash 1.0 or 2.0
  790. # [18:33] <AskMP> Was it as robust then?
  791. # [18:33] <happarappa> Well, "forced" because Flash has been declared dead by the entire world AND Adobe themselves.
  792. # [18:33] <AskMP> Are you using something like createJS to do your game coding?
  793. # [18:33] <happarappa> No.
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  795. # [18:33] <AskMP> try createJS
  796. # [18:34] <AskMP> it will save you a lot of headaches
  797. # [18:34] <AskMP> and Adobe is fully in support of it with Grant Skinner
  798. # [18:34] <happarappa> I checked out all available libraries but they were all unfit for me. I'll check that one out again now.
  799. # [18:34] <happarappa> Grant Skinner?
  800. # [18:34] <happarappa> "Skinner!"
  801. # [18:34] <AskMP> Yea
  802. # [18:35] <happarappa> No idea what or who that is.
  803. # [18:35] <happarappa> But CreateJS seems like some crap that's for "Web 2.0" people and not game makers.
  804. # [18:35] <AskMP> If you’re from the flash world, you should know who he is.
  805. # [18:35] <happarappa> No amount of JS libraries are gonna fix the issues, though.
  806. # [18:35] <happarappa> I'm not from the Flash world in that sense.
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  809. # [18:36] <happarappa> To my knowledge, I have never in my life seen an animation or something that ran in "HTML 5",
  810. # [18:36] <happarappa> *.
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  812. # [18:36] <happarappa> Yet it's said to have replaced and killed Flash.
  813. # [18:37] <AskMP> It hasn’t killed Flash yet.
  814. # [18:37] <happarappa> People seem to act as if it has.
  815. # [18:37] <happarappa> It is impossible to make a HTML 5 game without using a Flash hack for the audio part, for instance. The HTML 5 audio is... not... good.
  816. # [18:38] <happarappa> I just wish they would get their act together already.
  817. # [18:38] <happarappa> I want to be able to do this.
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  822. # [18:40] <AskMP> createJS comes with an attachment to soundJS which *helps* with the audio controlling
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  825. # [18:44] <AskMP> And if you’ve not played an HTML5 game yet, here: http://www.atari.com/arcade#!/arcade/atari-promo
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  833. # [18:57] <moo-_-> happarappa: web audi is coming
  834. # [18:57] <moo-_-> happarappa: however you still need to wait
  835. # [18:57] <moo-_-> happarappa: but I suggest take look this http://buildnewgames.com/game-engine-comparison/ - not totally related, but not totally offtopic either
  836. # [18:58] <dahlfors> web audi! cars in html51
  837. # [18:58] <dahlfors> !
  838. # [18:58] <dahlfors> :)
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  889. # [19:58] <moo-_-> dahlfors: yes
  890. # [19:58] <moo-_-> dahlfors: select audio
  891. # [19:58] <moo-_-> http://carvisualizer.plus360degrees.com/threejs/
  892. # [19:58] <moo-_-> :)
  893. # [19:59] <moo-_-> pink audis
  894. # [19:59] <moo-_-> what the world needs more
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  900. # [20:08] <dahlfors> awesome
  901. # [20:08] <dahlfors> I hadn't seen that one before
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  903. # [20:12] <moo-_-> dahlfors: three.js for the win
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  905. # [20:14] <dahlfors> that one I've seen at least. I wonder if those security leaks with web gl are fixed yet
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  907. # [20:15] <dahlfors> a year ago or so I found some web gl that was supposed to work - and in fact worked on my windows desktop machine. However - on any model of os x machine I tried the same gl script - it crashed the whole system
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  910. # [20:15] <moo-_-> dahlfors: the situation is getting better
  911. # [20:16] <moo-_-> dahlfors: but, generally, 3d stuff tends to crash your computers, with a browser or not :P
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  913. # [20:16] <dahlfors> alright if it takes down the browser... but if gl in a browser can take down the whole system and everything you were working on, it's no fun :)
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  916. # [20:17] <moo-_-> dahlfors: well, it's not exactly fault of the browser then :)
  917. # [20:17] <dahlfors> nope
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  919. # [20:17] <moo-_-> you know, these things called operating systems, should be uncrashable since Windows XP :P
  920. # [20:17] <moo-_-> in theory
  921. # [20:17] <dahlfors> but it should be pretty foolproof with drivers + what browsers can and can not do through gl
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  924. # [20:18] <dahlfors> in the old days I made some js bug that took down every system I tried it on as well
  925. # [20:18] <dahlfors> but I haven't seen anything such with js in a long long time
  926. # [20:18] <dahlfors> I hope gl can get there as well
  927. # [20:19] <moo-_-> dahlfors: I remember bluescreening IE with microsof'ts custom CSS DX filters
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  929. # [20:19] <dahlfors> hehe
  930. # [20:19] <dahlfors> I can't remember what I did. must have been back in 97/98 sometimes
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  932. # [20:20] <dahlfors> all I remember is that every computer I tried it on, everything slowed down to a crawl really quick
  933. # [20:20] <dahlfors> and after that system stopped responding
  934. # [20:20] <dahlfors> :)
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  936. # [20:20] <moo-_-> nowadays browser vendors are more sane and consider every input as an attack :)
  937. # [20:20] <moo-_-> dahlfors: in 98 we had also these things called pop-up windows
  938. # [20:21] <dahlfors> yeah. that was nasty
  939. # [20:21] <moo-_-> which grow in geometrical rate
  940. # [20:21] <dahlfors> firing up a million of those
  941. # [20:22] <dahlfors> there was one favourite going around at that time
  942. # [20:22] <dahlfors> a site that played up a really loud "HEEEY EVERYBODY, I'M LOOKING AT GAY PORN!!!"
  943. # [20:23] <dahlfors> and threw up gazillions of popups so you couldn't really close them
  944. # [20:23] <dahlfors> :)
  945. # [20:23] <moo-_-> http://mrdoob.com/lab/javascript/effects/ie6/
  946. # [20:23] <dahlfors> yeah, that one is great
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  1077. # [23:33] <amatecha> hahaha moo-_- that is priceless
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  1091. # [23:51] <ben`> moo-_-: That crashed my browser...
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  1094. # [23:53] <moo-_-> poor ben`
  1095. # [23:54] <moo-_-> here is a netscape 4 candy for you
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