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  130. # [05:18] <tw2113> carlos!
  131. # [05:18] <cgcardona> tw2113: :-]
  132. # [05:18] <cgcardona> hello
  133. # [05:19] <tw2113> sup
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  135. # [05:20] <cgcardona> just dorkin around. trying to learn some networking stuff. What you working on?
  136. # [05:21] <tw2113> i'm kind of taking a mental break...it's like its a weekend
  137. # [05:21] <tw2113> my mind was dead last night
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  139. # [05:23] <cgcardona> is it a weekend? ha i forgot.
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  141. # [05:23] <cgcardona> i should open this bottle of wine in honor of the weekend!
  142. # [05:23] <tw2113> i went and bought a new bottle of fireball whiskey
  143. # [05:24] <tw2113> i'm also watching people in #jQuery bicker about ajax loaded pages vs my stance of static content on load
  144. # [05:24] <tw2113> and the concept of google indexing
  145. # [05:25] <cgcardona> fireball whiskey? is that a brand?
  146. # [05:25] <cgcardona> is it yummy?
  147. # [05:26] <tw2113> i think it's more the name than the brand
  148. # [05:26] <tw2113> but if you like atomic fireball candy, you'll like this
  149. # [05:26] <tw2113> very cinnemon flavored
  150. # [05:27] <cgcardona> wow. that sounds
  151. # [05:27] <cgcardona> *great
  152. # [05:27] <tw2113> http://www.thedrunkpirate.com/2011/06/07/fireball-cinnamon-whisky/
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  157. # [05:31] <tw2113> cgcardona, did you get the link? or should I repaste?
  158. # [05:32] <cgcardona> got it
  159. # [05:32] <tw2113> just checking
  160. # [05:32] <cgcardona> sorry I'm tweaking stuff with my wifi. I might go in an out.
  161. # [05:32] <cgcardona> damn dude. that looks great
  162. # [05:32] <cgcardona> i gotta try some
  163. # [05:32] <cgcardona> that quote is classic
  164. # [05:32] <tw2113> yesh, yesh you do
  165. # [05:32] <cgcardona> “If you haven’t tried it yet, just imagine what it would be like to get a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the face if his legs were on fire and tasted like cinnamon.”
  166. # [05:33] <cgcardona> awesome ^
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  168. # [05:33] <clouder`g> anyone know of an easy way to fake pixel density, so I can make sure I have the correct rules in media queries for retina type displays?
  169. # [05:34] <clouder`g> actually it doesn't have to be easy, just a way ;)
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  173. # [05:57] <ericelliott> So, Mozilla has a Web Components polyfill, and an (outdated) x-tags components registry. Is there a current (up-to-date) registry of web components that work with the current version of the web components polyfill cross-browser?
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  415. # [15:46] <milleja46> anyone know if it's possible to use a if in html to detect what page is open say index.shtml or about.shtml? I'm trying to use what skills I have to make a website for a school project but don't know how to do what I want to do for this besides doing the html if's...
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  421. # [16:02] <ericelliott> milleja46: Use JavaScript?
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  439. # [16:43] <milleja46> ericelliott: yea I thought about that but thought there might be a way to do <!--IF page=index.shtml -->Home<!--END IF-->...
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  444. # [16:47] <ericelliott> Even if you could, I wouldn't. HTML is not the place for logic.
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  447. # [16:51] <milleja46> yea I just kinda thought other methods might end up weird because I have the main file for a page that pulls in the header and footer files using <!--#include virtual="thisfile.html"--> which that does work to pull in the header and footer so far >_>
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  476. # [17:38] <roy___> Why is google ignoring meta description tags ?
  477. # [17:39] <roy___> on my site ..
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  487. # [18:00] <milleja46> roy___: probably because it's google >_> they do have issues every once in awhile...
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  496. # [18:15] <jude> Can we use nav tag for sidebar on layouts
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  503. # [18:31] <milleja46> jude: it would make sense for the list of links the sidebar but I would personally put a aside tag around the whole sidebar...
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  505. # [18:34] <jude> @milleja46 Tanx
  506. # [18:35] <milleja46> jude: no problem ;)
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  508. # [18:35] <milleja46> jude: don't pm me without asking that's kinda rude
  509. # [18:36] <jude> milleja46: sorry
  510. # [18:36] <jude> milleja46 : my bad
  511. # [18:37] <milleja46> yea it's just irc etiquette
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  579. # [20:30] <savid> Is it considered good practice to give every section/aside/article an h1, even if it does not have a visual heading? For example, I have an <aside> with a tagline and an image, but the tagline doesn't make sense as an h1 from an outline perspective. So, I'm making the tagline a <p>, and adding <h1 hidden>Tagline</h1>.
  580. # [20:30] <savid> Is that weird?
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  583. # [20:32] <AskMP> savid: Great question. According to proper semantic tagging, you would want that, however the intent of the H levels has (unfortunately) been used for page wide importance by accessibility readers and search engines.
  584. # [20:32] <AskMP> You are on the right track and following proper protocol though.
  585. # [20:32] <AskMP> When writing your header levels, think of them more of level of importance that you would want people to navigate to.
  586. # [20:33] <AskMP> Would you want your aside something that, semantically, would fall inline with the site’s name?
  587. # [20:33] <AskMP> probably not. So let’s move it to category h2
  588. # [20:33] <AskMP> would you like it to be displayed along-side your article headers or important page sections?
  589. # [20:33] <AskMP> maybe, but maybe not.
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  591. # [20:34] <AskMP> Likely, you would want it a level h3 to put the same importance as the supplementary content. "Sponsors", "Supporters", or even action items: "Login", "Sign-up for Newsletter", etc…
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  594. # [20:35] <AskMP> Granted, like the documentation states, it *should* be the level of importance in reference to the containing content DOM element (section, article, aside, etc…) but readers and navigation won’t see it like that.
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  598. # [20:37] <savid> AskMP, that's good feedback. But I guess my question is more about what to do with sectional elements that don't really have a title. Is it considered ok to leave them untitled (ie no h* tag)? Or should I give those things a "hidden" title that just describe what that element is?
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  600. # [20:38] <savid> For example: <aside><h1 hidden>Tagline</h1><img src="foo.jpg"><p>We care about our community!</p></aside>
  601. # [20:38] <savid> So, it would literally just say "Tagline".
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  603. # [20:38] <savid> I have an outline viewer plugin in chrome, and if I don't title an aside, it just calls it "untitled section"
  604. # [20:39] <AskMP> For semantic structure and defining an aside, it would make absolute sense to do that.
  605. # [20:39] <AskMP> HOWEVER
  606. # [20:39] <AskMP> I would question whether a tagline would be H1
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  608. # [20:39] <AskMP> Also, you may consider looking into using attributes to define the section as well
  609. # [20:39] <AskMP> ARIA for instance.
  610. # [20:39] <savid> Ok, so you're saying h2 might make more sense than h1 because of screen reader support
  611. # [20:40] <AskMP> http://blog.mozilla.org/webdev/2009/07/02/improving-accessibility-through-aria/
  612. # [20:40] <AskMP> I’m thinking H1 should be the site’s primary elements that are the top most important.
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  616. # [20:41] <AskMP> H2 for the second most important label, h3 for third… etc…
  617. # [20:41] <savid> Ok. Thanks!
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  646. # [21:45] <garbagecollectio> how can i save a webpage offline
  647. # [21:45] <garbagecollectio> have it be functional
  648. # [21:45] <garbagecollectio> and
  649. # [21:45] <garbagecollectio> saved with an icon on the desktop
  650. # [21:45] <garbagecollectio> i guess my first question is if the latter is possible?
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  652. # [21:48] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/appcache/beginner/
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  654. # [21:48] <garbagecollectio> lol
  655. # [21:48] <garbagecollectio> but icon on the desktop?
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  669. # [21:56] <veQue> hi
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  672. # [21:57] <veQue> i ws looking at responsive design.. and i think there's like two ways to go about it. i conceptually understand one way(shrink the with of broswer = new behavoiur.. but then there's a site like woot.com t does nothing when you shrink the browser
  673. # [21:57] <veQue> yet on my iphone it looks specially made
  674. # [21:58] <veQue> how do i go about researching that way?
  675. # [21:59] <veQue> like what terms should i use in searching?
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  677. # [22:00] <cgcardona> one of them is dynamic and changes how it looks as you change the size of the viewport. The other just loads once but is based on the current size of the viewport as well?
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  679. # [22:04] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: google chrome offers some kind of application icons through it application manifest mechanism
  680. # [22:04] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: however I am not aware of details and I suggest you do a lot of doc reading to find out how to do it
  681. # [22:04] <moo-_-> at least google docs places its own icon to the desktop
  682. # [22:04] <garbagecollectio> i see
  683. # [22:04] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: or did
  684. # [22:04] <moo-_-> maybe they now prefer in-browser app icon
  685. # [22:05] <garbagecollectio> what?
  686. # [22:05] <garbagecollectio> what
  687. # [22:05] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: chrome web browser has an apps tab
  688. # [22:05] <moo-_-> with chrome web store
  689. # [22:05] <moo-_-> and stuff
  690. # [22:05] <garbagecollectio> yeah
  691. # [22:05] <garbagecollectio> those are plugins
  692. # [22:06] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: not all of them
  693. # [22:06] <garbagecollectio> I'm talking about saving a webpage to the desktop
  694. # [22:06] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: I know
  695. # [22:06] <garbagecollectio> so, what are you saying again?
  696. # [22:07] <moo-_-> this is how it happened in the past google
  697. # [22:07] <moo-_-> http://www.webpronews.com/get-to-google-docs-calendar-and-gmail-from-your-desktop-2009-02
  698. # [22:08] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: also see this https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/05/desktop-apps-with-html5-and-the-mozilla-web-runtime/
  699. # [22:10] <garbagecollectio> woah weird
  700. # [22:10] <garbagecollectio> mozApps?
  701. # [22:10] <moo-_-> it's firefox specific API name, I guess
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  704. # [22:12] <garbagecollectio> whats the chrome equivalent of this for install
  705. # [22:12] <garbagecollectio> chrome must be able to install things
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  707. # [22:12] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: yes
  708. # [22:12] <moo-_-> as I said, I don't know the current status
  709. # [22:13] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: but I suggest you start digging up HTML5 cache manifest information for Chrome
  710. # [22:13] <moo-_-> generally, Mozilla provides better documentation, so it might easier to prototype with approach first
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  713. # [22:15] <garbagecollectio> navigator.mozApps
  714. # [22:15] <garbagecollectio> doesn't work in chrome
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  716. # [22:16] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: yes, as the name implies it is Firefox specific and you won't get that functionality in Chrome
  717. # [22:16] <garbagecollectio> where the fuck is the chrome version
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  719. # [22:17] <garbagecollectio> maybe it has to link to the chrome web store
  720. # [22:17] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: I think you need to ask that from the chrome developers or at some other forum where you find more peopel with chrome insight
  721. # [22:18] <moo-_-> garbagecollectio: I would suggest stackoverflow.com
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