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  29. # [00:27] <quidnunc> Where can I get a list of HTML5 url schemes which can be used for fetching resources and supported by default in Chrome?
  30. # [00:28] <quidnunc> filesystem: data: http: https: file: --- Are there any others?
  31. # [00:28] <quidnunc> I can't find it in the spec
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  207. # [04:59] <c_nick> which javascript mobile framework is considered to be good with Phonegap I saw a couple of new ones as compared to sencha touch (runs too slow) and JQuery Mobile(not as fluid as native) like ChocolateChip UI XUI giraffe an impressive one Lungo and Web2.0Touch
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  260. # [06:42] <mehwork> where should the <audio> tag go if it's just sitting there waiting to be triggered by javascript? Should it be inside of <section> tags or just sitting in the page as a stray element?
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  285. # [07:47] <kadiks> mehwork, the audio element needs to be in the body, after that depends of your needs. If it is a player in the footer or header, it will go in those, otherwise it will go in section. But that depends entirely on your design
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  415. # [10:52] <granden> Hi, anyone got tips for an online or mac app that can convert mp4 to webm/ogv ( and mp4 more web friendly sized?)
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  422. # [11:00] <dirkos> I got html5 video but keep getting alot of "errors" in playback. Anyone who can give me some advice on this? Its about mp4
  423. # [11:00] <granden> dirkos: You know how to convert it to other formats? I cant find any good solutions for that.
  424. # [11:00] <dirkos> https://www.google.nl/search?q=online+mp4+to+webm%2Fogv&oq=online+mp4+to+webm%2Fogv&aqs=chrome.0.57j58j65j60j59j60.1043&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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  444. # [11:44] <ionas> I want to know if html5 served as text/html allows <img /> <br /> <hr /> <input readonly="readonly" /> etc (multiple, selected, disabled etc)
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  460. # [12:03] <QTnewbie> Hi, people! What is the best IDE to use with, say... AngularJS
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  472. # [12:30] <ionas> vi
  473. # [12:31] <ionas> if you don't like it check edlin
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  475. # [12:41] <QTnewbie> thanks
  476. # [12:42] <QTnewbie> what!"?
  477. # [12:42] <QTnewbie> vi, the unix editor?
  478. # [12:42] <QTnewbie> That's what pros are using to develop?
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  481. # [12:45] <ionas> edlin as I said (I am using Textmate, but nowadays would prefer Sublime Text or MacVim, Netbeans maybe… but well, IDEs..:)
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  483. # [12:47] <QTnewbie> Thanks, Ionas
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  533. # [13:48] <granden> Anyone who know how I could make a video to stretch both verticall and horizontally.
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  535. # [13:49] <granden> Now I can manage to get it to stretch horizontally but making a relly narrow but long webbrowser view it does not stretch verticall.
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  636. # [16:12] <Jabberwock> What is the official word, if any, on meta tags being self closing?
  637. # [16:12] <bot-t> (783 hours ago) <paul_irish> tell jabberwock nah.. havent seen the disney news.. and dont see it on google news.. what is it?
  638. # [16:13] <Jabberwock> tell paul_irish_ google "disney magic bands"
  639. # [16:14] <Jabberwock> bot-t: tell paul_irish_ google "disney magic bands"
  640. # [16:14] <bot-t> Jabberwock, Okay.
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  657. # [16:38] <Jabberwock> paul_irish_: actually this link is better: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/business/media/at-disney-parks-a-bracelet-meant-to-build-loyalty-and-sales.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
  658. # [16:38] <Jabberwock> Basically a big piece of what we've kept under lock and key for the past 5 years
  659. # [16:39] <Jabberwock> and the launch of the new disneyworld.com and mobile apps
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  669. # [16:58] <bendman> Hey, can anybody figure out why this works: http://cssdesk.com/bHckS but this doesn't: http://jsfiddle.net/9ycgw/ ? I realize there are other ways to achieve this effect, and they are in different contexts, but I'm trying to figure out the actual CSS difference for personal edification
  670. # [16:58] <bendman> in case it's not apparent, it's testing a technique for centering images vertically and horizontally
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  679. # [17:03] <Jabberwock> bendman: I would recommend using your dev console and checking the computed styled
  680. # [17:03] <Jabberwock> http://cssdesk.com may be overriding something
  681. # [17:04] <Jabberwock> "styles"
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  685. # [17:05] <bendman> Jabberwock: I did that, tried to set them to the same computed styles using chrome dev tools (as inline styles), but didn't have any luck getting the cssdesk one to work. For the record, I can't get it to work in a standalone html file as well (cssdesk is more accurate to real world in this case)
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  694. # [17:06] <Jabberwock> hmm
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  704. # [17:10] <bendman> it's really bugging me that I can't figure this one out, so I figured somebody else might have some obvious answer
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  706. # [17:11] <bendman> I even compared each calculated style (including all inherited) and they still look different...
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  709. # [17:14] <Jabberwock> Still messing with it
  710. # [17:15] <bendman> ah, got it!
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  712. # [17:15] <Jabberwock> ?
  713. # [17:15] <bendman> putting an html5 doctype at the top fixes it
  714. # [17:15] <Jabberwock> Oh, interesting.
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  716. # [17:15] <bendman> (had to do it in a standalone html file)
  717. # [17:15] <Jabberwock> I was going to suggest giving the img display: table-cell
  718. # [17:16] <Jabberwock> sweet, glad that was an easy fix.
  719. # [17:16] <bendman> yeah, that's our actual solution that we are using
  720. # [17:16] <bendman> weird that it would do that though, especially since calculated CSS was still the same for the whole document
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  722. # [17:16] <Jabberwock> yeah that is weird.
  723. # [17:17] <bendman> like webkit has a quirks mode!
  724. # [17:17] <Jabberwock> lol
  725. # [17:19] <bendman> also to note, HTML5 and XHTML Strict doctypes both work, XHTML Transitional does not work
  726. # [17:20] <Jabberwock> That doesn't make sense to me.
  727. # [17:20] <bendman> nor to me
  728. # [17:20] <Jabberwock> I bet the guys at #w3c would know why though
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  730. # [17:21] <bendman> thanks :) channel hopping now to see what they have to say. I'm curious...
  731. # [17:21] <Jabberwock> Np. Be patient
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  754. # [18:08] <jude1> is this tag acceptable <article><div><h2></h2><p></p></div></article>
  755. # [18:08] <jude1> pls help on this
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  758. # [18:12] <moo-_-> jude1: try HTML5 validator
  759. # [18:13] <Jabberwock> You may want a header around the H2 if you're looking to be accessible
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  761. # [18:13] <Jabberwock> I feel like JAWS has complained when it isn't
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  769. # [18:19] <rking> Hrm. Is there any downside to declaring a <form> multipart?
  770. # [18:19] <rking> Like I have this form that may or may not have a file upload tag in it, and I'm wondering if I also have to make that act conditionally.
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  841. # [19:39] <martisj> morning
  842. # [19:39] <martisj> I can't understand this microdata business.
  843. # [19:39] <tantek> martisj - you're not the only one ;)
  844. # [19:39] <tantek> or rather, it's slightly less less understandable than RDFa. :)
  845. # [19:40] <tantek> what is it that you're trying to do?
  846. # [19:40] * abstractj is now known as abstractj|afk
  847. # [19:40] <martisj> Say I've got an organization and want to markup an employee of this organization. This employee is a person.
  848. # [19:40] <tantek> easiest way to do that is with a couple of hCards
  849. # [19:40] <martisj> but on schema.org it says the following: <span itemprop="member" itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Organization">
  850. # [19:40] <tantek> start here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
  851. # [19:41] <martisj> makes no sense as that member is a person
  852. # [19:41] <tantek> yeah - forget using schema for that - way too complicated than anyone needs
  853. # [19:41] <martisj> is microformat and microdata the same/
  854. # [19:41] <tantek> no
  855. # [19:41] <tantek> microformats are much simpler way of doing what microdata tries to solve in a complex way (because RDFa was even more complex)
  856. # [19:42] <tantek> and microformats are much more well adopted than either microdata or RDFa
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  858. # [19:42] <martisj> interesting
  859. # [19:42] <martisj> i see
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  862. # [19:43] <martisj> tantek: are you tantek from http://tantek.com/ ?
  863. # [19:43] <tantek> microdata has been overhyped by the SEO crowd because Google decided to do schema with a few partners rather than actually work in the open.
  864. # [19:43] <tantek> yes
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  866. # [19:43] <martisj> tantek: aha :) cool
  867. # [19:43] <martisj> so i'll stick with microformats even though google recommends microdata?
  868. # [19:44] <martisj> tantek: it seems you are tad biased in this case :)
  869. # [19:44] <martisj> but i'll trust you for now :)
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  871. # [19:45] <tantek> martisj - plus there's a whole community at #microformats
  872. # [19:45] <tantek> in addition, Google's Rich Snippets don't prefer microdata/RDFa/microformats - they all work.
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  874. # [19:46] <tantek> schema is just a more complicated way of achieving the same thing
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  876. # [19:46] <tantek> if you like, try marking things up with microformats vs. microdata+schema and see how different the code looks
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  879. # [19:47] <martisj> tantek: i see i was confusing the schema thing with microdata
  880. # [19:47] <tantek> martisj - that's common
  881. # [19:48] <martisj> I have two phonenumbers for this organization
  882. # [19:49] <martisj> can i nest vcards?
  883. # [19:49] <tantek> you can have as many phone numbers for an hCard that you want
  884. # [19:49] <tantek> and yes, you can nest hCards
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  886. # [19:49] <moo-_-> OMG it's full of hCards :)
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  888. # [19:50] <tantek> moo-_- :)
  889. # [19:50] <martisj> hCards = vcards?
  890. # [19:51] <tantek> yes, hCards are the HTML version of vCards.
  891. # [19:53] <martisj> Aha tantek that makes sense :)
  892. # [19:53] <tantek> great!
  893. # [19:53] <martisj> is it frowned upon to hide these elements from the actual website?
  894. # [19:54] <martisj> Say i only want to display certain data, like the phone numbers on the page.
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  896. # [19:54] <tantek> yes - it is frowned upon to have hidden data / text
  897. # [19:54] <tantek> it's bad for updating
  898. # [19:54] <tantek> it's also penalized by Google
  899. # [19:54] <tantek> the best thing to do is just mark up whatever you want visible on the page
  900. # [19:54] <tantek> and don't bother adding anything more
  901. # [19:54] <tantek> if you want to add more details but not on that page, create a new page for the detailed view
  902. # [19:55] <martisj> alright yeah that sounds nice :)
  903. # [19:55] <martisj> tantek: thanks!
  904. # [19:55] <martisj> You really know this stuff :)
  905. # [19:55] <tantek> martisj - been working on it for a few years :)
  906. # [19:55] <martisj> I keep seeing your name in all the articles about microformats!
  907. # [19:55] <martisj> Awesomeness!
  908. # [19:56] <tantek> come lurk in #microformats channel - plenty of more smart folks in there too that understand this stuff and are helpful
  909. # [19:58] <martisj> I will :)
  910. # [19:58] <martisj> thanks
  911. # [19:59] <martisj> what do you reckon about this: https://gist.github.com/martisj/4947162
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  914. # [20:00] <martisj> probably not an article item
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  918. # [20:01] <mishugana> hi
  919. # [20:01] <mishugana> having a real weirddd issue with my site
  920. # [20:01] <mishugana> http://pecalabs.com
  921. # [20:02] <mishugana> when you scroll the background gets messed up, any part of the background that is below the initial visible window when first loaded will interfere when scrolling occurs
  922. # [20:03] <martisj> interfere?
  923. # [20:03] <tantek> martisj what are "Dag" and "Jan" ?
  924. # [20:03] <martisj> names
  925. # [20:03] <martisj> :)
  926. # [20:03] <martisj> norwegian firstanmes
  927. # [20:03] <martisj> names
  928. # [20:03] <tantek> ah ok
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  930. # [20:04] <tantek> the top level hCard needs an fn and org for the company name
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  932. # [20:04] <mishugana> it interferes, hard to explain without going there and trying out scrolling
  933. # [20:05] <tantek> e.g. <span class="fn org">basketskolen</span>
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  936. # [20:09] <martisj> tantek: alright thanks. Only issue is the designer doesn't want the org name visible there :(
  937. # [20:10] <martisj> mishugana: i went there and didn't see any intereference
  938. # [20:10] <tantek> martisj - you could just markup the presence of "basketskolen" inside the email addres
  939. # [20:11] <martisj> Ahhhhhhhhh11!
  940. # [20:11] <martisj> tantek: nice one!
  941. # [20:11] <tantek> e.g. >basket@<span class="fn org">basketskolen</span>.no</a> ...
  942. # [20:11] <tantek> :)
  943. # [20:11] <moo-_-> http://christianheilmann.com/2013/02/13/i-will-miss-the-douglas-crockford-of-browsers/
  944. # [20:11] <martisj> this is better https://gist.github.com/4947247
  945. # [20:13] <tantek> yes
  946. # [20:13] <tantek> and martisj - for Dag and Jan's hCards, you could also use "agent" to associate them with the company.
  947. # [20:13] <tantek> e.g. <div class="agent vcard">
  948. # [20:14] <tantek> only on the inside hCards obviously
  949. # [20:14] <tantek> not on the outer one
  950. # [20:14] <martisj> moo-_-: shheeeeet
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  952. # [20:15] <martisj> tantek: thanks
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  956. # [20:37] <martisj> tantek: do you have any ideas for how i can get this design implemented with the microformats that I've added ?
  957. # [20:38] <tantek> what do you mean?
  958. # [20:38] <martisj> http://i.imgur.com/u5WRY4w.png
  959. # [20:38] <martisj> on the left there.
  960. # [20:39] <martisj> I don't have any good ways of aligning the phone numbers after dag: and jan:
  961. # [20:39] <martisj> the colon is outside the span
  962. # [20:39] <tantek> sure. I'd advise adding class names for styling the CSS
  963. # [20:39] <martisj> for the name
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  965. # [20:39] <tantek> you can make Dag: and Jan: into display:inline-block and set a width on them
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  967. # [20:40] <martisj> but the colon with then be pushed to the side wouldn't it?
  968. # [20:40] <martisj> i'll try ti
  969. # [20:41] <tantek> oh, right. you might need a wrapper span for the inline-block
  970. # [20:41] <tantek> that includes the :
  971. # [20:41] <martisj> already have that
  972. # [20:41] <martisj> but i don't understand how i can get the phone numbers to line up on the left
  973. # [20:41] <martisj> ?AS?AS?!!?!
  974. # [20:41] <bot-t> martisj, .prepend() | jQuery API Documentation - Insert content, specified by the parameter, to the beginning of each element in the set of matched elements. http://api.jquery.com/prepend/
  975. # [20:42] <martisj> what
  976. # [20:42] <martisj> hahaha
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  978. # [20:47] <martisj> that doesn't make sense
  979. # [20:47] <martisj> now i ge tit
  980. # [20:49] <martisj> there we go
  981. # [20:49] <martisj> thanks tantek!
  982. # [20:49] <martisj> you rock!
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  984. # [20:53] <tantek> you're welcome martisj - and for any more hCard or microformats questions, come join #microformats!
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  1022. # [21:44] <tantek> yes
  1023. # [21:45] <bretolius> nice!
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