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  1. # Session Start: Tue Feb 19 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <Krewd> please
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  8. # [00:05] <Krewd> Garbee
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  11. # [00:06] <Garbee> Well, you also need to edit the source code of the contact page and add the class to target there.
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  13. # [00:07] <Krewd> Garbee could send me the correct code for me to copy and paste please
  14. # [00:07] <Garbee> You find where the iframe is in the source code. You then add class="something_here_but_not_this".
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  16. # [00:08] <Garbee> Then in your css, I'd guess estyle you add ".something_here_but_not_this{width:0; height:0;}"
  17. # [00:08] <Garbee> Actually, auto not zero.
  18. # [00:08] <Krewd> Garbee How do I find this class? in which file
  19. # [00:08] <Garbee> You add the class.
  20. # [00:09] <Garbee> I'm not sure in which file since I don't know how the site is configured.
  21. # [00:09] <Garbee> That is something you need to figure out based on how the site is built.
  22. # [00:09] <Krewd> Garbee can be any name and paste anywhere in the style.css?
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  25. # [00:11] <Garbee> Just put it at the end of the style.css.
  26. # [00:11] <Garbee> The class it is targeting *must* match the class you add in the page code.
  27. # [00:11] <Krewd> Garbee the Wylerabbit managed to solve my problem
  28. # [00:12] <Krewd> Garbee Thank you for trying
  29. # [00:12] <Garbee> A class with the name like "contact_form" would be a good way to go.
  30. # [00:12] <Krewd> Wylerabbit Garbee thank you very much
  31. # [00:13] <Wylerabbit> Garbee, the issue was that Krewd was using a reset.css and 960 grid, and the iframe width was hard-coded. By adding a local 'style="width=400px;height=500px"' to his iframe element, problem solved
  32. # [00:13] <Garbee> Local styles are not recommended.
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  34. # [00:14] <Garbee> Any styling should be done in a separate stylesheet.
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  36. # [00:14] <Wylerabbit> Garbee, heh heh. No, of course not. But then again, I wouldn't use a form in an iframe from a different server either.
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  38. # [00:14] <Garbee> Encourage whatever proper technique you're able to with a given situation.
  39. # [00:15] <Garbee> I'd loved to have explained to kill the @imports in the CSS. But that would have just gotten too complicated.
  40. # [00:15] <Wylerabbit> exactly
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  42. # [00:15] <Garbee> Still, explaining a simple class update is completely doable.
  43. # [00:15] <Garbee> Just one extra step from assigning a style attribute.
  44. # [00:15] <Wylerabbit> I'm impressed that he (she?) even thought to come to IRC for help with this.
  45. # [00:16] <Garbee> hehe, I'm not.
  46. # [00:16] <Garbee> I have seen some people in IRC and went... "What are you doing here... ?"
  47. # [00:16] <Wylerabbit> oh, is that person a regular here.
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  49. # [00:16] <agu10^> http://jsfiddle.net/dbYhZ/14/ - Why isn't the red div rendered?
  50. # [00:17] <Garbee> No, I have just seem some really oblivious people in some other rooms. Ofc, it has been a few years since I really beat my head against the desk.
  51. # [00:17] <Wylerabbit> Garbee, heh heh. Yep. I initially thought he might be trying to get me to go to some malicious website. "I need help. Click this link"
  52. # [00:18] <Garbee> agu10^, you need left and right margin to be set to auto.
  53. # [00:18] <Garbee> http://jsfiddle.net/dbYhZ/15/
  54. # [00:18] <Garbee> I'm not worried about malicious sites.
  55. # [00:19] <agu10^> why do i care about the x axis? i set a fixed width!
  56. # [00:19] <Garbee> I'm more worried about spending too much time explaining a very fundamental thing. Here lately I just have too much to do to worry about killing three hours explaining the CSS box model to people.
  57. # [00:19] <agu10^> OHH I SEE
  58. # [00:19] <agu10^> thanks!!!
  59. # [00:20] * Garbee waits for float:center;
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  61. # [00:20] <Wylerabbit> I'm just glad I don't have to support IE6 anymore.
  62. # [00:20] * Wylerabbit shudders
  63. # [00:21] <Garbee> I'm not worried about any IE tbh.
  64. # [00:22] <Wylerabbit> Garbee, do you use ant?
  65. # [00:22] <Garbee> Nope.
  66. # [00:22] <Wylerabbit> Do you use something different?
  67. # [00:23] <Garbee> I have dabbled with Grunt. But that is only because it is what Yeoman uses.
  68. # [00:23] <Garbee> I don't have much need for those though.
  69. # [00:23] <Garbee> I do most of my stuff server-side.
  70. # [00:23] <Wylerabbit> Yeoman, the guy that was on Survivor?
  71. # [00:23] <Garbee> hehe
  72. # [00:24] <Garbee> http://yeoman.io/ --In case you have been under a rock for 6 months.
  73. # [00:25] <Wylerabbit> dumb question: is that sorta like "ruby on rails"?
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  76. # [00:26] <marco_> cock suck dick bitch fuck
  77. # [00:26] <Wylerabbit> ummmmm...tourettes?
  78. # [00:27] <marco_> nooo
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  81. # [00:28] <Wylerabbit> ha ha ha. wtf is with that guy?
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  84. # [00:28] <Wylerabbit> I've been away from IRC for a while. Do people normally enter a channel, swear, then leave?
  85. # [00:32] <Garbee> No.
  86. # [00:32] <Garbee> That is trolls not people.
  87. # [00:32] <Garbee> No it isn't RoR.
  88. # [00:32] <Garbee> yeoman is an opinionated toolset for rapidly developing/prototyping web applications.
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  90. # [00:32] <Garbee> You initialize a project with it and it will pull in a few packages for you to get you started.
  91. # [00:33] <Garbee> Then it has a CLI for bringing in other packages like nivo slider.
  92. # [00:33] <Garbee> Also, live reload in the browser as you edit.
  93. # [00:33] <Garbee> Plus it also does packaging for live distribution.
  94. # [00:34] <Wylerabbit> cool.
  95. # [00:34] <Wylerabbit> I don't do web applications. Just websites.
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  98. # [00:35] <Garbee> It helps with sites too. ;)
  99. # [00:35] <Garbee> I tend to call sites applications now too.
  100. # [00:36] <Wylerabbit> :-)
  101. # [00:36] <Garbee> They tend to have something dynamic among them, which puts them into that app category. I consider a site something that is really static.
  102. # [00:36] <Garbee> Which is almost non-existant now.
  103. # [00:37] <Wylerabbit> I am just starting html5 now. Have been doing xHTML for years. It's time.
  104. # [00:37] <Garbee> yea. You can use XML in HTML. But, you should only do it if you *really* know you need to (which is almost never.)
  105. # [00:38] <Wylerabbit> right.
  106. # [00:38] <Garbee> HTML5 has a lot of nice stuff, but there are a few very tricky things.
  107. # [00:38] <Garbee> Like proper <article> and <section> usage. :P
  108. # [00:39] <Garbee> Semantics *will* kill you at first, along with learning how document outlines are created since some of the new elements actually create outline structures (<section>, <article>, and <aside> for instance.)
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  110. # [00:40] <Garbee> Semantics will mainly kill you since there are conflicting views on the interpretation of the spec. Which is why I invite you to actually read the spec for them so you know for yourself.
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  120. # [00:57] <Wylerabbit> Garbee, do you do responsive design? or adaptive? or one-size to rule them all?
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  122. # [01:00] <Garbee> I tend to go responsive.
  123. # [01:00] <Wylerabbit> down to what size? Is there really much point in going down to 360px wide?
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  125. # [01:01] <Garbee> Honestly, whatever Bootstrap has.
  126. # [01:01] <Garbee> I think that is 480px.
  127. # [01:01] <Wylerabbit> ok, thanks
  128. # [01:01] <Garbee> I'm looking at switching grids though for future projects.
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  130. # [01:02] <Garbee> and "much point in going down to 360px"... Depends on the traffic you get at that resolution.
  131. # [01:02] <Garbee> I doubt much.
  132. # [01:02] <Garbee> Before starting a project on a current site, I would gather data on current visitors.
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  134. # [01:03] <Garbee> See what the current visitors use and start with the resolution that the largest amount of visitors come on as the starting point.
  135. # [01:03] <Garbee> Then work from there in either direction to finish off the design.
  136. # [01:04] <Garbee> If no current data is available. Then I'd go desktop first typically.
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  148. # [01:20] <relipse> how do i play a sound on button click (html5)
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  153. # [01:29] <Garbee> relipse, Here is a guide to doing it on hover. I'm sure it could be modified to trigger on click. http://css-tricks.com/play-sound-on-hover/
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  157. # [01:34] <relipse> i got it, its just .play()
  158. # [01:34] <relipse> thanks
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  214. # [03:57] <Krewd> Hi friends !!! Can anyone help me put these images on the slide in the correct position, already tried to change the css and nothing to solve http://goo.gl/uTgKy Thanks
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  274. # [05:59] <enigmuriatic> how do i layer elements in a canvas on top of one another?
  275. # [05:59] <enigmuriatic> or do i have to make multiple canvases?
  276. # [05:59] <enigmuriatic> for example, say i want to make a black background and then draw a shape on top of it
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  390. # [08:08] <relipse> check out my brand new android time tracking app -- https://cworklog.com/downloads/cworklog.latest.apk username: test116 password: test116
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  657. # [14:28] <moo-_-> enigmuriatic: you just overdraw
  658. # [14:28] <moo-_-> mattypants: visually elements are not different from <div>
  659. # [14:28] <moo-_-> and <span>
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  705. # [15:34] <dAnjou> hi, a question about server sent events: as far as i understood messages are pushed to all clients connected to the same "endpoint" (aka URL?). what is the best way to make sure that only one client gets a certain message? i guess i'm talking about routing messages.
  706. # [15:35] <dAnjou> i came up with the idea to let the client connect to a unique URL but is that secure? how can i make sure nobody else is listening on this URL?
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  709. # [15:36] <dAnjou> maybe with some kind of session cookie?
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  711. # [15:37] <austincheney> dAnjou: in the context of the web you cannot
  712. # [15:37] <austincheney> http is a broadcast
  713. # [15:37] <dAnjou> huh?
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  715. # [15:37] <austincheney> you would have to decide on a different protocol to enable message routing
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  717. # [15:37] <austincheney> like XMPP
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  719. # [15:39] <austincheney> basically the ideal options are xmpp and smtp
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  721. # [15:39] <austincheney> smtp is more robust and you have more control of the message digest in the pipe
  722. # [15:39] <dAnjou> okay, imagine this:
  723. # [15:40] <austincheney> but xmpp is far faster and still provides good control with far more options for customization
  724. # [15:40] <austincheney> xmpp for chat or im
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  726. # [15:41] <austincheney> smtp for any sort of extended application features, such as data analysis, where live speed and round trip are not absolutely critical
  727. # [15:41] <dAnjou> i have a website with user accounts. users get notifications by connection to /profile/<username>/eventsource. now i could check is <username> is allowed to get messages if it has a valid session cookie. o not?
  728. # [15:41] <dAnjou> *or not?
  729. # [15:41] <dAnjou> *connecting
  730. # [15:42] <dAnjou> damn, what's up with my typing
  731. # [15:42] <austincheney> yeah, you will have to operate via cookie
  732. # [15:42] <austincheney> and you should be operating in https
  733. # [15:42] <dAnjou> of course
  734. # [15:42] <austincheney> at that point it is a basic authenticated web session
  735. # [15:42] <dAnjou> that solves the routing problem
  736. # [15:43] <dAnjou> no need for XMPP
  737. # [15:43] <dAnjou> :P
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  739. # [15:43] <austincheney> yeah, its one of the biggest problems with the web
  740. # [15:43] <dAnjou> i'd rather not touch or see any xml :P
  741. # [15:43] <austincheney> http is simple, so too much is done on the application side
  742. # [15:44] <austincheney> ok, but xmpp can do just about everything http can do and still operate in a live fashion
  743. # [15:44] <austincheney> xmpp is transmission by the way, where xml is not
  744. # [15:45] <austincheney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_stanza
  745. # [15:45] <dAnjou> i know xmpp
  746. # [15:45] <dAnjou> and xml
  747. # [15:46] <austincheney> i am going to walk across the road and get some dinner
  748. # [15:46] <dAnjou> o.O
  749. # [15:46] <dAnjou> have fun
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  751. # [15:47] <dAnjou> this is IRC, i can wait for days for an answer ;)
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  773. # [16:17] <austincheney> har
  774. # [16:19] <dAnjou> hurr
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  776. # [16:23] <hashpuppy> stupid question, but do you guys know of any sites actually using IndexedDB
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  856. # [17:59] <relipse> anyone with android? check out my brand new time tracking app -- https://cworklog.com/downloads/cworklog.latest.apk
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  858. # [18:04] <dAnjou> relipse: why do you post this in #html5 ?
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  861. # [18:05] <dAnjou> *plenk*
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  868. # [18:08] <relipse> dAnjou: because i wrote it in html5
  869. # [18:09] <dAnjou> relipse: why is it an app then?
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  872. # [18:12] <dAnjou> relipse: i can't look at the code
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  878. # [18:18] <relipse> dAnjou: actually you can
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  880. # [18:18] <relipse> iits using phone gap
  881. # [18:18] <relipse> their is a repo on github
  882. # [18:19] <dAnjou> relipse: why didn't you link this then?
  883. # [18:19] <relipse> no one asked?
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  887. # [18:20] <relipse> https://github.com/relipse/cworklog-android <-- code here
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  889. # [18:21] <dAnjou> relipse: well, you posted that in a channel about html5. don't you think anyone here would be interested how you actually did things with html5?
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