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  99. # [02:32] <dshap> hey all, is anyone here familiar with SVG Edit? http://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/
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  382. # [12:50] <Havvy> gde33|2: http://yourwebsite.com/your-page#xyz will go to the element with id="xyz"
  383. # [12:50] <Havvy> Or if it doesn't exist, then it'll go to an anchor with name="xyz". If you have both an anchor and an id with "xyz", I don't know what would happen.
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  385. # [12:51] <gde33|2> I would hope it prioritizes the name
  386. # [12:52] <dAnjou> why?
  387. # [12:52] <gde33|2> not to change things to dramatically
  388. # [12:52] <dAnjou> to me it makes totally sense to use id since it's unique
  389. # [12:52] <dAnjou> o.O
  390. # [12:52] <gde33|2> urls are for humans to read id's are for scripts and css
  391. # [12:53] <dAnjou> again: o.O
  392. # [12:53] <gde33|2> #you_can_have_many_words with a name, with an id it looks terrible
  393. # [12:53] <dAnjou> you are saying: "oh no, do give me the newer/better/easier thing, i just learned to use the difficult thing."
  394. # [12:53] <gde33|2> I don't want you_can_have_many_words elements in my css :P
  395. # [12:53] <gde33|2> better?
  396. # [12:54] <gde33|2> anchors are for humans to read, that is the whole point of them?
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  399. # [12:54] <dAnjou> they shouldn't be that long anyway
  400. # [12:54] <dAnjou> for several reasons
  401. # [12:54] <gde33|2> the whole title seems preferable?
  402. # [12:55] <dAnjou> one reason is, longer anchors make URLs longer, which i wouldn't like
  403. # [12:55] <gde33|2> I kinda like how it works on wikipedia
  404. # [12:56] <dAnjou> another on is, anchors point to headings, and headings shouldn't be long either
  405. # [12:57] <dAnjou> and btw. .. when do you ever style a single heading or a single id element?
  406. # [12:57] <dAnjou> if you do that, it's totally fine to have a selector of any length
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  408. # [12:58] <gde33|2> you are right but it isn't good to make the features less useful :)
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  410. # [12:58] <gde33|2> yes
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  413. # [12:58] <gde33|2> I assume the id from other ellements also works?
  414. # [12:58] <dAnjou> i'm always in favour for simplifying things
  415. # [12:59] <dAnjou> s/for/of/
  416. # [12:59] <gde33|2> does <div id="bla"> work also?
  417. # [12:59] <dAnjou> i'd expect this to work
  418. # [12:59] <dAnjou> i don't know for sure
  419. # [12:59] <gde33|2> if it does it would break the tab index
  420. # [12:59] <gde33|2> but I would expect it to
  421. # [13:01] <gde33|2> yes it works
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  572. # [16:32] <sunbeam> <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, maximum-scale=1.0, minimum-scale=1.0, initial-scale=1" />
  573. # [16:32] <sunbeam> is this necessary in case you want to make css responsive?
  574. # [16:32] <sunbeam> and do i do this right here?
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  610. # [17:17] <paulrouget> sunbeam: I makes things much easier.
  611. # [17:18] <Havvy> paulrouget: <33
  612. # [17:18] <paulrouget> sunbeam: don't set minimum and maximum scale though
  613. # [17:18] <paulrouget> Havvy: hi :)
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  615. # [17:19] <Havvy> I remember reading your blog and being interested in what you have to say.
  616. # [17:19] <paulrouget> :)
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  618. # [17:24] <sunbeam> paulrouget: how do you mean?
  619. # [17:25] <sunbeam> paulrouget: ohh you sait "It"
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  621. # [17:28] <paulrouget> oh
  622. # [17:28] <paulrouget> that sounds weird :)
  623. # [17:28] <paulrouget> Yeah, I meant "It" :)
  624. # [17:28] <paulrouget> sunbeam: It makes things much easier.
  625. # [17:28] <paulrouget> It sounded a bit arrogant :)
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  628. # [17:31] <tw2113> it's it?
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  632. # [17:34] <paulrouget> "I makes things much easier"
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  634. # [17:36] <tw2113> i look forward to the Fx nightly updated features list every day
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  638. # [17:42] <sunbeam> hehe
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  640. # [17:43] <paulrouget> tw2113: which list?
  641. # [17:43] <tw2113> just whatever's been pushed into nightly recently, like the WebRTC on by default in a recent update
  642. # [17:44] <Havvy> The firefoxnightlynews feed?
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  645. # [17:46] <tw2113> paulrouget, i do believe you're one of the people behind @FirefoxNightly
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  648. # [17:48] <sunbeam> http://pastebin.com/dTqkMaKw
  649. # [17:48] <sunbeam> how can I use this function?
  650. # [17:48] <paulrouget> Whiskey: Yeah. I do that.
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  652. # [17:50] <paulrouget> tw2113: Yeah. I do that.
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  654. # [17:50] <tw2113> i tend to look forward to the updates. See what's coming down the pipes into Aurora soon
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  657. # [17:51] <David_Bradbury> Well, you have first a property of an object that is assigned an anonymous function. Then you have a variable that stores whether onorientationchange is avaliable (in the window object).
  658. # [17:51] <sunbeam> David_Bradbury: ok so what can i do with this? i dont understand
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  662. # [17:52] <tw2113> if ( initOrientation.orientationEvent == resize ) { //act on it } ?
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  664. # [17:52] <paulrouget> sunbeam: This allows you to execute some specific JS code when the user turns his device. It's not really useful if you just want to do a responsive design.
  665. # [17:52] <David_Bradbury> You then have shorthand for an if then statement (ternary). Basically, you're making the variable "orientationEvent" equal to the onorientationchange event if it is supported, if not, then use the resize event
  666. # [17:52] <tw2113> actually i think it's just adding an event you can use, in the end
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  668. # [17:53] <tw2113> correct me if i'm wrong, people who are better at JS than I am
  669. # [17:53] <David_Bradbury> The last line adds an event handler - On orientationEvent (Which is either a orientation event or resize event), run the function "WHMobile.Resize._updateSize".
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  671. # [17:54] <David_Bradbury> And don't allow events to propagate up the tree.
  672. # [17:55] <sunbeam> tw2113: ok
  673. # [17:55] <tw2113> trust David_Bradbury more than me
  674. # [17:55] <tw2113> i'm guessing
  675. # [17:56] <sunbeam> but that code gives me syntax error invalid label
  676. # [17:56] <David_Bradbury> Well, that's because by itself, it isn't proper
  677. # [17:56] <David_Bradbury> You've taken out a property of an object
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  679. # [17:57] <sunbeam> what i would like to do is, when the ipad (or any tablet) is changed from landscape to portrait, i need to change the css
  680. # [17:57] <sunbeam> because landscape is fine (default 980px+ styles)
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  682. # [17:58] <paulrouget> sunbeam: this is not the way to do it.
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  684. # [17:58] <David_Bradbury> ^
  685. # [17:58] <paulrouget> sunbeam: use a mediaquery (google: mediaquery portrait landscape)
  686. # [17:59] <paulrouget> sunbeam: it can be done with no JS at all.
  687. # [17:59] <David_Bradbury> Also, if you were to use that function, it the function would call every time the orientation changes, so you'd need to add an additional bit to figure out the actual orientation
  688. # [18:00] <sunbeam> paulrouget: also for the switch?
  689. # [18:00] <David_Bradbury> Although I'll admit I feel as if the portion where I described step-by-step what your paste does wasn't read carefully if at all
  690. # [18:00] <sunbeam> paulrouget: when switched?
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  692. # [18:00] <sunbeam> David_Bradbury: yes ok
  693. # [18:01] <sunbeam> so what if a user rotates his tablet
  694. # [18:01] <David_Bradbury> sunbeam: I feel like you're just wanting to be spoon-fed answers without actually wanting to understand what you're doing.
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  696. # [18:02] <David_Bradbury> Read up on media queries. It will help you do what you wish.
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  699. # [18:03] <David_Bradbury> In the function you provided, the function in the event listener would be called each time the tablet changes orientation.
  700. # [18:03] <paulrouget> David_Bradbury: really - don't use any JS for that.
  701. # [18:04] <paulrouget> rhooo
  702. # [18:04] <paulrouget> sunbeam: really - don't use any JS for that.
  703. # [18:04] <sunbeam> paulrouget: ok so
  704. # [18:04] <paulrouget> I'm bad at typing the right name on IRC :)
  705. # [18:04] <sunbeam> paulrouget: what happens if the user rotates his screen
  706. # [18:04] <David_Bradbury> Oh, I know - I was just explaining what it does
  707. # [18:04] <David_Bradbury> Oh, blah
  708. # [18:04] <David_Bradbury> wasn't at me
  709. # [18:05] <paulrouget> David_Bradbury: yeah yeah :)
  710. # [18:05] <David_Bradbury> No worries :)
  711. # [18:05] <paulrouget> confusion everywhere
  712. # [18:05] <paulrouget> sunbeam: read about mediaQuery. Only part of your CSS will be applied on portrait and another part on landscape
  713. # [18:05] <sunbeam> paulrouget: ok, clear that its better to define in CSS
  714. # [18:06] <sunbeam> paulrouget: i know, but the CSS doesn't update
  715. # [18:06] <sunbeam> when you move/rotate the screen
  716. # [18:08] <paulrouget> sunbeam: did you use mediaQueries?
  717. # [18:08] <David_Bradbury> If you're using media queries correctly, it should. Also be aware of CSS Specificity
  718. # [18:08] <David_Bradbury> Although that shouldn't matter in this case.
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  721. # [18:12] <sunbeam> paulrouget: ok lets see, last time it didn't update when i rotated
  722. # [18:13] <paulrouget> sunbeam: do you use media queries?
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  724. # [18:14] <sunbeam> paulrouget: yes
  725. # [18:14] <sunbeam> but i did not use landscape/portrait before, sorry
  726. # [18:14] <sunbeam> it seems to work
  727. # [18:15] <sunbeam> is it possible to use OR in media quiries?
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  729. # [18:16] <paulrouget> sunbeam: what's your media query?
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  842. # [19:40] <ElGoorf> hey matt!!!11oneone
  843. # [19:40] <mattisfrommars> yo
  844. # [19:41] <mattisfrommars> Hey guys, i'm trying to do some research on web technologies. What web tech have you heard about but can't use in production because of the state of current-gen (or legacy) browsers?
  845. # [19:41] <Havvy> mattisfrommars: (function () {}).bind()
  846. # [19:41] <Havvy> Basically anything that IE8 doesn't support. ;)
  847. # [19:42] <ElGoorf> webgl!!!
  848. # [19:42] <ElGoorf> and css3 transforms/animation!
  849. # [19:42] <ElGoorf> and html5 video
  850. # [19:43] <Havvy> Anything behind -webkit
  851. # [19:43] <ElGoorf> speaking of which, does anyone have a cure for the h264 problem with chrome in windows?
  852. # [19:43] <faggot_idiot> scratch and sniff
  853. # [19:43] <ElGoorf> where you get the grey border on the edges
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  855. # [19:44] <ElGoorf> can i force chrome to use webm/ogv instead?
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  858. # [19:46] <mattisfrommars> Havvy: looking for docs on binding to closure, you got an example usecase?
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  860. # [19:46] <FrownZula> anal fissure
  861. # [19:46] <faggot_idiot> ^my dad
  862. # [19:47] <FrownZula> ^my gay, idiot son
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  865. # [19:47] <Havvy> mattisfrommars: Sure. I've got many in my Node.js code.
  866. # [19:48] <Havvy> I get around it by using function () { object.fn(); } instead.
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  868. # [19:48] <Havvy> But fn.bind(object) is much smaller.
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  873. # [19:52] <mattisfrommars> cool, looking up currying now- but in terms of whole technologies that could make the end user experience better is there something you're dying to use?
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  878. # [19:56] <Havvy> mattisfrommars: Personally, no. I'm quite content with what we have.
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  881. # [19:57] <Havvy> I'm more concerned with what next generation browsers are bringing us: ECMA6
  882. # [19:57] <Havvy> But they are going so slowly...or so it feels.
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  884. # [19:58] <moo-_-> Havvy: eventually, we all grow grey hair ;)
  885. # [19:58] <Havvy> moo-_-: I'm only 20. I've got time before then.
  886. # [19:59] <moo-_-> Havvy: not if we are talking about ECMA6 ;)
  887. # [20:00] <Havvy> TBH, it seems most JS engine devs care more about optimizations than they do progressing the language.
  888. # [20:00] <moo-_-> Havvy: you know, it takes 10 years to deprecate IE10. So you'll be thirdy by the time we can assume ECMA6 is implemented by majority of browsers.
  889. # [20:00] <mattisfrommars> ECMA will make for better code, but will it tangibly affect the end-user experience?
  890. # [20:00] <moo-_-> Havvy: and if you work with browsers you'll get grey hair prematurely
  891. # [20:01] <Havvy> Eh, on the end-user experience I'm waiting for Web-RTC.
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  893. # [20:01] <mattisfrommars> "and if you work with browsers you'll get grey hair prematurely" - this
  894. # [20:01] <Havvy> And the FirefoxOS stuff.
  895. # [20:01] <moo-_-> Firefoxos
  896. # [20:02] <mattisfrommars> I think RTC could be a big shift in what's possible in the browser, in terms of it opens up a complete new level of multi user interaction
  897. # [20:02] <moo-_-> yes
  898. # [20:02] <Havvy> Also waiting for the day that we can open sockets from the browser, so we can deprecate the web:irc protocol.
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  900. # [20:02] <moo-_-> RTC and WebGL and the biggest game changers since <audio> and <video>
  901. # [20:02] <mattisfrommars> if you had a project that required it, would you fall back to e.g. a service like Pusher or e.g. socket.io managed by a server, or lock out older browsers?
  902. # [20:03] <moo-_-> mattisfrommars: not really possible... or it would be very fragile
  903. # [20:03] <moo-_-> if you use webtrc for real-time communications
  904. # [20:03] <Havvy> mattisfrommars: 'required it' where 'it' is what?
  905. # [20:03] <mattisfrommars> sorry, RTC
  906. # [20:04] <Havvy> I personally don't have a use for RTC at this time. But others do, and they'll make it awesome.
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  913. # [20:13] <mattisfrommars> moo-_-: you say <audio> and <video> are game changers, but support is not 100%, how does this affect what you make?
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  919. # [20:20] <AskMP> moo-_- and really to anybody interested, I’m hosting an event next week that’s on WebRTC and head tracking. I’ll be live streaming it on the group’s site: htmltoronto.ca/2013/02/20/webrtc-head-tracking/
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  921. # [20:21] <mattisfrommars> sounds really interesting, in terms of browser support is it webkit only?
  922. # [20:22] <AskMP> Firefox’s nightly has it.
  923. # [20:22] <AskMP> And Opera has had a custom build that has had it since prior to Canary
  924. # [20:22] <mattisfrommars> for head tracking?
  925. # [20:22] <AskMP> Surprisingly as well, there’s a version of Opera for Android that also has it enabled.
  926. # [20:23] <AskMP> no, for WebRTC
  927. # [20:23] <AskMP> the head tracking is in javascript
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  929. # [20:23] <AskMP> WebRTC + Canvas + Javascript
  930. # [20:23] <mattisfrommars> how is webcam support in FF & Opera?
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  932. # [20:24] <AskMP> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Media/getUserMedia
  933. # [20:25] <AskMP> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/getusermedia-access-camera-privacy-ui/
  934. # [20:25] <AskMP> http://snapshot.opera.com/labs/camera/
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  1077. # [22:52] <SuperDefenderX> Charge time and expenses.
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  1085. # [23:03] <[Tyrant]> Do we have a better mocking tool yet?
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  1095. # [23:15] <tw2113> mocking tool?
  1096. # [23:15] <David_Bradbury> You know, a tool to make fun of people who ask ambiguous questions ;)
  1097. # [23:16] <tw2113> are you using one on me David_Bradbury ?
  1098. # [23:17] <David_Bradbury> Nah, was just teasing [Tyrant] :)
  1099. # [23:17] <tw2113> shame, you could have patented it
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  1101. # [23:19] <David_Bradbury> It's okay, if I did, someone would just change a minor detail of it and patent it themselves. That's the way it seems to work in the digital world at least
  1102. # [23:19] <tw2113> yeah, you paint yours the color of dignity, they use the color of passion
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