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  51. # [01:10] <d4rklit3> anyone use create.js ?
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  56. # [01:17] <d4rklit3> no .. of course not
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  60. # [01:18] <Jude> Can we have two sections
  61. # [01:18] <Jude> ?
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  78. # [01:28] <sedeki> Jude yes
  79. # [01:29] <Jude> tanx
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  132. # [02:45] <SamCameron> Hi
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  148. # [03:09] <dshap> any SVG gurus here? i've had a really annoying issue that i've been trying to resolve for a while now without any luck :( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15194870/how-can-i-get-fonts-to-work-in-svg-loaded-in-an-img-tag-in-chrome
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  150. # [03:11] <SamCameron> Hey people, how can I have an element with an infinite width without using CSS or flash? just with pure HTML?
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  169. # [03:32] <leb> I have a <div> with an inline style that I am trying to move to CSS and I can't get it work
  170. # [03:32] <leb> <div class="guageLine" style="height:500px; width=100%; background-color:#FFF; color:#FFF;">
  171. # [03:32] <leb> any ideas on why this would be probalmatic
  172. # [03:32] <leb> ?
  173. # [03:32] <leb> I've tried both class and id keyed CSS
  174. # [03:34] <jarek> leb: please create a demo on http://jsfiddle.net/
  175. # [03:34] <jarek> leb: it's impossible to help you without seeing the actual code
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  177. # [03:34] <leb> it's very short can I paste it here?
  178. # [03:34] <jarek> no :)
  179. # [03:35] <jarek> leb: because I can't use dev tools in IRC client
  180. # [03:35] <leb> can I ask a generalized question then?
  181. # [03:35] <jarek> sure
  182. # [03:35] <leb> what are some of the common reasons this wouldn't work?
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  184. # [03:36] <leb> to me this seems like the simplest thing
  185. # [03:36] <jarek> leb: incorrect or not-specific-enough selectors
  186. # [03:36] <leb> moving an inline style to a css and using a class reference
  187. # [03:36] <leb> I mean here's the CSS
  188. # [03:36] <leb> .guageLine {
  189. # [03:36] <leb> text-align: left; position: relative;
  190. # [03:37] <leb> background: rgba(128, 128, 128, 0.7);
  191. # [03:37] <leb> }
  192. # [03:37] <jarek> leb: inline styles have very high specificity, when you move them to external stylesheets they could be easly overriden by other styles on the page
  193. # [03:37] <leb> ahh
  194. # [03:37] <leb> that makes sense to me
  195. # [03:38] <leb> I don't understand the hierarchy so well
  196. # [03:39] <jarek> leb: check http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2007/07/27/css-specificity-things-you-should-know/
  197. # [03:40] <leb> so converting something that has inline to styles to CSS isn't as simple as moving the styles to a CSS file because the specificity changes
  198. # [03:40] <leb> thanks for the link and the help
  199. # [03:40] <jarek> leb: and learn how to use dev tools
  200. # [03:40] <leb> for Safari
  201. # [03:40] <leb> what are my opions?
  202. # [03:40] <obert> learn html4!
  203. # [03:40] <jarek> leb: I would say that Chrome has the best dev tools
  204. # [03:41] <obert> html4 is the future!
  205. # [03:41] <leb> actually I meant to ask this on the html channel but selected the wrong one before I typed
  206. # [03:41] <leb> sorry about that
  207. # [03:41] <obert> feb. 13, 2003
  208. # [03:41] <leb> I'll look into dev tools
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  210. # [03:42] <obert> leb: chrome inspector is there by default->right click->inspect element
  211. # [03:42] <leb> yea Safari seems to have the same thing
  212. # [03:42] <tw2113> dev tools are great, once you know what it is you'll be using them for
  213. # [03:42] <obert> almost every browsers i assume
  214. # [03:42] <leb> but with this web page I have some issue with getting it to work
  215. # [03:43] <leb> thanks
  216. # [03:43] <leb> for the help
  217. # [03:43] <leb> much appreicated
  218. # [03:43] <leb> have to run
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  220. # [03:43] <leb> dinner has arrived
  221. # [03:43] <tw2113> dev tools won't help you move inline to external
  222. # [03:43] <obert> ot: someone knows why my browsers on linux can be resized to the limit?
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  224. # [03:43] <obert> it doesnt happens on windows (dunno other os)
  225. # [03:45] <jarek> obert: what do you mean by "resized to the limit"?
  226. # [03:45] <obert> mouse from right to left
  227. # [03:45] <jarek> obert: window resizing is handled by window manager, and there are like 50 of those on Linux
  228. # [03:45] <obert> on windows at 320 or just a little bit smaller it stops to resize its window, on linux seems i can resize it till 1px or so
  229. # [03:45] <obert> 320px
  230. # [03:46] <obert> you know, when testing mobile stuff
  231. # [03:46] <obert> window mgr?
  232. # [03:46] <obert> isnt a browser thingy?
  233. # [03:46] <jarek> obert: probably browser developers have not hard-coded minimal window size or the window manager is ignoring it
  234. # [03:47] <obert> i missed something then, thanks
  235. # [03:47] <jarek> actually, you might be right
  236. # [03:47] <obert> be left!
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  240. # [03:48] <obert> dunno for real, runnin linux on a vm that got some issues seems. i never can be sure what is happening is due my own vm or just linux itself
  241. # [03:49] <obert> buy me 3 pcs and i will test win, linux and mac
  242. # [03:49] <jarek> obert: btw, with Chrome canary you can emulate client size without resizing the window
  243. # [03:49] <jarek> obert: it's configurable in dev tools preferences
  244. # [03:49] <obert> a pèlugin?
  245. # [03:49] <jarek> what's pelugin?
  246. # [03:49] <obert> i missed something then
  247. # [03:49] <obert> plugin/addon:p
  248. # [03:50] <jarek> no, it's built-in feature
  249. # [03:50] <obert> meh
  250. # [03:50] <obert> i'm ignorant
  251. # [03:50] <jarek> it's superior to resizing window by hand because it can also emulate device parameters
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  253. # [03:50] <jarek> such as screen width
  254. # [03:51] <obert> where do i find it?
  255. # [03:51] <tw2113> firefox has responsive tools for quick resizing
  256. # [03:51] <tw2113> baked in
  257. # [03:52] <jarek> obert: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/canary.html
  258. # [03:52] <obert> yep i saw, but still a bit confused
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  260. # [03:52] <obert> i will try to download it then
  261. # [03:52] <tw2113> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wGLHwINbyU
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  263. # [03:54] <obert> this canary looks to be an eagle: it isnt that small
  264. # [03:54] <obert> thanks for now
  265. # [03:54] <tw2113> canary = chrome nightly more or less
  266. # [03:54] <jarek> wait, this feature is already in Chrome stable
  267. # [03:54] <obert> jarek: i dont see on the inspector
  268. # [03:54] <obert> *it
  269. # [03:55] <jarek> obert: click the trigger icon and then "Overrides" tab
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  271. # [03:56] <tw2113> what horribly named tools
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  275. # [03:58] <obert> i can switch only between 2 big screen res
  276. # [03:59] <obert> meh
  277. # [03:59] <obert> better fix some css instead:P
  278. # [03:59] <tw2113> srsly, if you need quick resolutions for RWD testing, Firefox has a good tool for it
  279. # [03:59] <tw2113> heaven forbid people still use the browser
  280. # [03:59] <obert> rwd??
  281. # [04:00] <tw2113> responsive web design
  282. # [04:00] <obert> people, you making me feel weird
  283. # [04:00] <jarek> tw2113: the problem is that Firefox is used mainly on desktops
  284. # [04:00] <tw2113> if you need to test pixel breakpoints, it'd be just fine
  285. # [04:00] <tw2113> not so much prefixes
  286. # [04:00] <tw2113> fucking webkit
  287. # [04:00] <obert> can i ask another ot q?:P
  288. # [04:00] <tw2113> you just did
  289. # [04:01] <tw2113> where are there any rules on question limits?
  290. # [04:01] <obert> hehe old joke huh
  291. # [04:01] <jarek> Firefox is dead end, I would just ignore it and do tests only on WebKit :D
  292. # [04:01] <obert> if i can build a site from server side till the design what am i? a web dev or a web designer?
  293. # [04:02] <tw2113> my take is if you do coding/html/css/js/etc
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  295. # [04:02] <tw2113> you're a developer
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  297. # [04:02] <tw2113> if you can open photoshop and create a mocked up psd
  298. # [04:02] <tw2113> you're a designer
  299. # [04:02] <jarek> obert: web ninja
  300. # [04:02] <tw2113> if you can do both
  301. # [04:02] <obert> a developer with design problems?
  302. # [04:02] <tw2113> you're what jarek just said
  303. # [04:03] <tw2113> it's really hard to do both and both well
  304. # [04:03] <obert> use a basic framework ina basic level like include 'header.php' doesnt seems to be ninja
  305. # [04:03] <tw2113> i prefer developer myself
  306. # [04:04] <obert> arent there one-man-web-agencies out there?
  307. # [04:04] <tw2113> probably
  308. # [04:04] <tw2113> no idea how good they are
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  310. # [04:05] <obert> meh
  311. # [04:05] <jarek> obert: I used to be doing both design and coding (using php CMS)
  312. # [04:05] <obert> dont offend me:P
  313. # [04:05] <obert> yup something like that
  314. # [04:05] <obert> all those WordPress theme dev and such
  315. # [04:05] <jarek> obert: but if I were you I would specialize in frontend web development
  316. # [04:06] <obert> i wish too, but i am alone. if someone ask to me to create their site, i must know at least include 'header.php'
  317. # [04:06] <obert> and add a decent css on there
  318. # [04:07] <tw2113> that's fine
  319. # [04:07] <obert> in a very basic view it is coding+design
  320. # [04:07] <tw2113> i'd call you a developer for that much
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  322. # [04:07] <tw2113> the great devs know how to code say a WP theme from scratch
  323. # [04:07] <tw2113> based on a PSD mockup
  324. # [04:07] <obert> then abwebstudio.foo would be a decent domain name?
  325. # [04:07] <tw2113> not everyone can, and some just buy themes and tweak provided settings
  326. # [04:07] <obert> where ab are my name initial
  327. # [04:08] <tw2113> i could see people mistaking "ab" for "a" and going to awebstudio
  328. # [04:08] <obert> tw2113: a wp theme from scratch is easy
  329. # [04:08] <tw2113> i agree
  330. # [04:08] <tw2113> done many myself
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  332. # [04:08] <tw2113> but not everyone does
  333. # [04:08] <obert> my name are two letters: surname and family name:P
  334. # [04:09] <tw2113> i'm sure it is
  335. # [04:09] <obert> i got my first theme approved yesterday:P
  336. # [04:09] <tw2113> try saying it out loud to someone and guarantee they get the B
  337. # [04:09] <obert> in reality it is ar
  338. # [04:09] <obert> and it is pretty clear on my logo:P
  339. # [04:09] <tw2113> we're talking about others though :P
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  341. # [04:10] <tw2113> assume nothing and get the benefit of being surprised when they get it right
  342. # [04:10] <obert> ab something... ab normal!
  343. # [04:10] <tw2113> abby normal
  344. # [04:10] <obert> too funny movie
  345. # [04:11] <obert> i will try with this arwebstudio.foo then
  346. # [04:11] <obert> next year i will change it if it doesnt work at all
  347. # [04:11] <tw2113> and ruin all your SEOs?
  348. # [04:11] <obert> web studio sounds professional indeed
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  350. # [04:12] <obert> i must start in some ways
  351. # [04:12] <tw2113> i work for a company named WebDevStudios
  352. # [04:12] <obert> kick them for me to had took my domain name before
  353. # [04:13] <jarek> tw2113: you can change domain name without ruining your search ranks, Google has tools for that
  354. # [04:13] <tw2113> never knew that jarek
  355. # [04:13] <tw2113> i confess i don't pay a lot of attention to their tools
  356. # [04:13] <obert> i am sure you never heard about 'google manager tag' too :P
  357. # [04:14] <tw2113> i hate confirming what google thinks they know about me
  358. # [04:14] <obert> my prefer google tool will remain the google anal
  359. # [04:14] <jarek> obert: there are hudrets of thousands of such shops already
  360. # [04:14] <jarek> obert: why not work in some niche?
  361. # [04:14] <obert> niche?
  362. # [04:15] <jarek> obert: like HTML5 games development
  363. # [04:15] <tw2113> like photography websites
  364. # [04:15] <tw2113> *runs*
  365. # [04:15] <jarek> obert: or WebGL
  366. # [04:15] <jarek> obert: or icon design for App Store
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  368. # [04:15] <obert> because i didnt found customers?
  369. # [04:16] <tw2113> jarek is suggesting target a specific need that customers will be needing in the future
  370. # [04:16] <obert> i can redesign your site though
  371. # [04:16] <tw2113> especially as some of this becomes more widespread
  372. # [04:16] <obert> specializing would be important
  373. # [04:16] <tw2113> "i do web development!"
  374. # [04:17] <tw2113> "yeah, and?"
  375. # [04:17] <obert> i started as csser, then i noticed that i needed to have a decent html markup to can write css and learnt some server side
  376. # [04:17] <tw2113> html and css go hand in hand
  377. # [04:17] <tw2113> learning 1 without the other is ludacrious
  378. # [04:17] <obert> yup but html is generated by server side :)
  379. # [04:18] <jarek> obert: not necessarily
  380. # [04:18] <tw2113> it still depends on knowing how it all works to make it output correctly
  381. # [04:18] <jarek> obert: you can generate HTML in JS too
  382. # [04:18] <tw2113> and that's if you even use PHP
  383. # [04:18] <tw2113> or whatever server language
  384. # [04:18] <jarek> obert: and use server only for data storage (via JSON)
  385. # [04:18] <obert> jarek: please :p
  386. # [04:18] <obert> you know what i meant
  387. # [04:18] <tw2113> guess what...website can still be just css and html!
  388. # [04:18] <jarek> obert: I strongly believe that this is the future of web development
  389. # [04:18] <tw2113> what you can do with them is obviously more limited
  390. # [04:19] <tw2113> but they're still valid
  391. # [04:19] <obert> node.js? backbone.js? pff
  392. # [04:19] <tw2113> js has a strong future
  393. # [04:19] <tw2113> WP is moving more towards js functionality
  394. # [04:19] <obert> and unaccessible past :P
  395. # [04:19] <tw2113> starting with the media manager in 3.5
  396. # [04:19] <obert> that sux
  397. # [04:19] <tw2113> the future is bright and full of possibilities with JS
  398. # [04:20] <tw2113> learn to love it or hire out for it
  399. # [04:20] <obert> my pycsser works better than any wp:P
  400. # [04:20] <tw2113> people from 1999 would shit bricks if they saw today's js
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  402. # [04:20] <tw2113> they'd beg to be brought back to the future
  403. # [04:21] <obert> my pycsser rox!
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  405. # [04:21] <tw2113> never heard of it, but sure
  406. # [04:22] <obert> hehe try to google it
  407. # [04:22] <obert> it is strong in development but who cares
  408. # [04:22] <obert> i am perhaps the only one that use it
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  410. # [04:23] <obert> sorry but i am a bit glad of these things :) yesterday my first wp theme approved, then this tool
  411. # [04:24] <obert> the rest of my life sux, just to balance all
  412. # [04:24] <obert> tw2113: did you found my pycsser?
  413. # [04:25] <tw2113> didn't look
  414. # [04:25] <tw2113> :D
  415. # [04:25] <obert> friends..pfff
  416. # [04:25] <tw2113> i'm just trusting yu
  417. # [04:25] <tw2113> you*
  418. # [04:25] <obert> http://csser.alwaysdata.net/ lazy ass
  419. # [04:26] <tw2113> my ass got better grades than i did
  420. # [04:26] <tw2113> it's actually quite the smart ass
  421. # [04:27] <obert> :9
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  423. # [04:27] <tw2113> http://www.chromestatus.com/features
  424. # [04:27] <tw2113> care of paul_irish
  425. # [04:28] <tw2113> saw him post it in G+
  426. # [04:28] <obert> was he talking about my pycsser?
  427. # [04:28] <tw2113> nope
  428. # [04:28] <obert> pff
  429. # [04:28] <obert> none loves obert
  430. # [04:29] <tw2113> people need to know about it to talk about it
  431. # [04:29] <obert> how could they know
  432. # [04:30] <tw2113> marketing
  433. # [04:30] <tw2113> advertising its existence
  434. # [04:30] <tw2113> letting people know how they benefit from using it
  435. # [04:32] <obert> it is just a tool, cannot spend resources on marketing
  436. # [04:34] <tw2113> chrome dev tools are just tools
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  438. # [04:34] <tw2113> do you think they don't market their use?
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  441. # [04:35] <obert> i am definately not google
  442. # [04:36] <tw2113> but if your tool has value, it is worth marketing
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  446. # [04:40] <obert> when i will find money
  447. # [04:40] <tw2113> internet marketing
  448. # [04:40] <tw2113> not billboards and magazine ads
  449. # [04:40] <obert> domain name is money
  450. # [04:40] <tw2113> social networks dude
  451. # [04:41] <tw2113> even just a directory in your current domain would be enough
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  466. # [05:20] <obert> ?
  467. # [05:20] <obert> like, tw2113?
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  470. # [05:21] <tw2113> eh?
  471. # [05:21] <obert> sorry for delay i was catting
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  473. # [05:21] <tw2113> you have your own website right?
  474. # [05:21] <obert> even just a directory in your current domain would be enough
  475. # [05:21] <obert> 'cating' btw
  476. # [05:22] <obert> as playing with the cat
  477. # [05:22] <tw2113> yeah, post your pycsser thing to that, and create a 1 page design, offer a download link
  478. # [05:22] <tw2113> market that to high heck online
  479. # [05:22] <obert> download link to what?
  480. # [05:22] <tw2113> your tool
  481. # [05:22] <obert> it is a tool for web designer, what kind of things should i do
  482. # [05:22] <tw2113> market it
  483. # [05:23] <obert> it is open source man
  484. # [05:23] <tw2113> offer a download to the source then
  485. # [05:23] <tw2113> provide a way for people to use the thing
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  487. # [05:23] <obert> i got the link to the github repo cleary in footer
  488. # [05:23] <tw2113> create a page dedicated to it
  489. # [05:23] <tw2113> treat it as a product
  490. # [05:23] <obert> i should find social networks in english then
  491. # [05:24] <obert> yup that point is clear
  492. # [05:25] <obert> what other social networks than facebook and twitter are there?:P
  493. # [05:25] <obert> what a nightmare
  494. # [05:26] <tw2113> a shitton
  495. # [05:26] <tw2113> reddit, hackernews, identica(like twitter)
  496. # [05:26] <tw2113> stumbleupon, digg
  497. # [05:26] <obert> ah those
  498. # [05:26] <tw2113> just off the top of my head
  499. # [05:26] <obert> sorry i am an antisocial person seems
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  501. # [05:29] <tw2113> it helps to be somewhat social if you want to freelance on some level
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  503. # [05:29] <obert> got accounts only on freelance and elance
  504. # [05:32] <obert> thanks
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  507. # [05:34] <obert> cant believe i can do this joke: boo: http://eeeeek.org !!!
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  510. # [05:36] <tw2113> the one with dev in it obert
  511. # [05:37] <obert> arwebdevstudio.foo looks long though
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  513. # [05:37] <obert> isnt it
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  524. # [05:58] <imsky> who wants to start a food truck
  525. # [05:58] <imsky> online
  526. # [05:58] <imsky> yeeeahhh come on #html5
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  550. # [06:34] <Binbo> hi guys, I am currently learning on websocket. Used the numbers counter example. What is the main cause that the browser in my laptop is unable to display the numbers update. Tested on firefox android it works well
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  661. # [09:25] <kiki67100> Hello
  662. # [09:26] <kiki67100> I would to know if possible to get a general thumbnail image for a remote blog wordpress/blog for a post
  663. # [09:26] <kiki67100> Actually i extract the first image of body but in some case this is false
  664. # [09:26] <kiki67100> It's possible to determine what is the container for post content ?
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  869. # [14:30] <phrearch> hm, dragand drop doesnt work in chrome? http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/dnd/basics/
  870. # [14:30] <paulrouget> it does
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  872. # [14:33] <phrearch> yea it does, sorry, i was not testing it right
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  878. # [14:37] <phrearch> hm this looks pretty neat, http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tern-intelligent-javascript-editing
  879. # [14:38] <paulrouget> made by a Mozilla guy. Mozilla guys are awesome ;)
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  882. # [14:39] <phrearch> haha, yea keep up the good job :)
  883. # [14:40] <phrearch> i like the recent asm.js presentation. Not really sure where i can use it, but seems promising
  884. # [14:40] <paulrouget> It's mostly for people coming from the C/C++ world
  885. # [14:41] <paulrouget> and we'll have a specific JS engine for this subset
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  887. # [14:41] <phrearch> that qt in the browser demo was pretty cool
  888. # [14:42] <phrearch> hope to have kate running in the browser soon :)
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  890. # [14:44] <phrearch> hm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiAF9VdvRPw&feature=youtu.be
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  892. # [14:45] <phrearch> not really sure what this google ajax api is about
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  894. # [14:52] <phrearch> how would google's crawlers handle pushstate? they dont do js at all right?
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  904. # [15:02] <phrearch> hm, $('body').on('dropbox', 'dragstart', function(e){ probably doesn't work :/
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  906. # [15:05] <paulrouget> why not?
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  913. # [15:09] <phrearch> http://jsfiddle.net/e9YsH/
  914. # [15:09] <phrearch> not sure what im doing wrong
  915. # [15:09] <phrearch> ehm just a sec
  916. # [15:09] <phrearch> http://jsfiddle.net/e9YsH/1/
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  933. # [15:20] <moo-_-> phrearch: tern.js supernice
  934. # [15:20] <moo-_-> donated
  935. # [15:21] <moo-_-> phrearch: I was just cursing how difficult is to have working JS autocompletion in Sublime Text
  936. # [15:21] <phrearch> moo-_-: yea, would be great to have this running in the browser
  937. # [15:21] <phrearch> through the web editing part two :-)
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  939. # [15:26] <phrearch> hm this somewhat works, http://jsfiddle.net/e9YsH/7/
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  941. # [15:27] <phrearch> not sure why that addEvent function works, while addEventListener doesnt
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  943. # [15:32] <moo-_-> phrearch: it's possible to have it in a browser
  944. # [15:32] <moo-_-> it's written in JS
  945. # [15:32] <moo-_-> like Typescript Language Service
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  947. # [15:33] <phrearch> let's hope he will release it as open source soon
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  949. # [15:34] <phrearch> hm, someone probably has written a jquery drag and drop plugin already :S
  950. # [15:34] <phrearch> which is not jquery io
  951. # [15:34] <phrearch> err ui
  952. # [15:35] <phrearch> 35k for drag and drop only is a bit much
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  954. # [15:36] <phrearch> hm, not related, but a nice jquery plugin http://mcpants.github.com/jquery.shapeshift/
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  956. # [15:38] <moo-_-> phrearch: it's in conditions he will release it as MIT if the funding kicks in
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  960. # [15:41] <pats_Toms> hi, I have something wrong here
  961. # [15:41] <pats_Toms> http://www.webdevout.net/test?02E
  962. # [15:41] <pats_Toms> the circle on hover leaves some wrong rendering or something
  963. # [15:41] <phrearch> anyone has some spare 6325 euro? :)
  964. # [15:41] <pats_Toms> with chromium on linux
  965. # [15:41] <pats_Toms> am I only who have that problem?
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  973. # [15:48] <moo-_-> pats_Toms: most likely a Linux issue with display drivers
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  977. # [15:48] <moo-_-> report to Chromium open source project
  978. # [15:48] <moo-_-> or your favorite Linux distribution provider
  979. # [15:48] <pats_Toms> I got somethink like this
  980. # [15:49] <pats_Toms> http://www.bildites.lv/images/38md550jbkivko19rpd1.png
  981. # [15:49] <pats_Toms> http://www.bildites.lv/images/a76cn2miwqra0snni.png
  982. # [15:49] <moo-_-> pats_Toms: looks indeed like a issue with Linux graphics stack
  983. # [15:49] <moo-_-> invalidation issue
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  985. # [15:50] <moo-_-> term for it
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  987. # [15:51] <pats_Toms> moo-_-, so any ideas where I need to report it?
  988. # [15:52] <moo-_-> pats_Toms: I would start with Chromium issue tracker on Google Code
  989. # [15:52] <moo-_-> especially if you have steps to repeat the issue
  990. # [15:52] <moo-_-> as you do
  991. # [15:52] <moo-_-> they should be interested in
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  993. # [15:55] <pats_Toms> Seems like this is the right place - http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list
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  1005. # [16:03] <moo-_-> pats_Toms: yep
  1006. # [16:04] <pats_Toms> there is something interesting
  1007. # [16:04] <pats_Toms> if I test this somewhere out of my that code
  1008. # [16:04] <pats_Toms> http://jsfiddle.net/m/sjg/
  1009. # [16:04] <pats_Toms> it works well
  1010. # [16:05] <pats_Toms> just tested with chrome
  1011. # [16:05] <pats_Toms> the same
  1012. # [16:06] <pats_Toms> ok, I will try to post it after some hours
  1013. # [16:06] <pats_Toms> thank moo-_-
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  1018. # [16:10] <Binbo> hi guys, I have tested websocket on two clients, a desktop and am android browser. Got a problem at desktop where message only displayed when the connection closed while I dont have problem with android firefox
  1019. # [16:10] <Binbo> any idea?
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  1053. # [16:56] <paulrouget> Binbo: on Desktop, is it Firefox or Chrome?
  1054. # [16:57] <Binbo> paulrouget: both
  1055. # [16:57] <Binbo> but i think its because of cross origin
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  1057. # [16:58] <Binbo> webpage and websocket are on separate port
  1058. # [16:58] <Binbo> but android browser works though
  1059. # [16:59] <Binbo> android's firefox and opera mobile
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  1061. # [16:59] <Binbo> on desktop, the message arrived at the server once I refreshed the page;
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  1072. # [17:13] <basiclaser> Hey guys what are some clever methods/courses to becoming a professional front end designer? I'd like a job mainly dealing with html/css/jquery, I really enjoy learning about it
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  1077. # [17:17] <moo-_-> basiclaser: codeacademy.com is a start
  1078. # [17:17] <moo-_-> if you are looking online learning
  1079. # [17:18] <basiclaser> i sort of finished that site, it was great in the beginning but so buggy
  1080. # [17:18] <basiclaser> nevertheless a good resource for starters
  1081. # [17:19] <basiclaser> but once i finish reading books and watching vids etc. what then?
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  1083. # [17:19] <basiclaser> id specifically like to make apps for firefoxOS in the future, but i dont know if that is too much of a jump
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  1085. # [17:22] <paulrouget> basiclaser: learn JS. Not jquery. Focus on web apps. Then learn how to use the navigator.mozApps API for the FirefoxOS integration.
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  1095. # [17:37] <tw2113> mmm FxOS
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  1117. # [18:02] <basiclaser> paulrouget: ok thanks. So are you suggesting i don't learn jquery mobile & UI, or that i learn them after js?
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  1120. # [18:03] <paulrouget> basiclaser: If you know JS, you don't need to "learn" jQuery & co. You just look at the doc, and that's it.
  1121. # [18:03] <basiclaser> i get what you mean, they're just there to be used right?
  1122. # [18:04] <basiclaser> paulrouget: i agree with what you say, except that im half way through a jquery book so im drawn between just finishing it or dropping it
  1123. # [18:04] <paulrouget> finish your book
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  1135. # [18:12] <basiclaser> ok thanks
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  1144. # [18:20] <Jon47> i bounced between frameworks for awhile but finally "got" javascript after I had been using jquery for awhile
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  1146. # [18:20] <Jon47> i think libraries like jquery and underscore facilitate enjoyment of javascript and assist the learning process
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  1211. # [19:06] <SteamyShiner> How do I ensure something is on top of a programatically created canvas element? http://jsfiddle.net/SteamyShiner/QtQVB/ (I want the text on top). http://jsfiddle.net/SteamyShiner/QtQVB/
  1212. # [19:07] <SteamyShiner> I put canvas{z-index: -1; } into the css but no luck :/
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  1299. # [20:19] <snowfox_ben> This is more of a CSS3 question - but what is a good resource for reading up on media-queries that use EMs vs. pixels - I am trying to figure out what my html/body size needs to be reset to :/
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  1310. # [20:36] <rupl> snowfox_ben: http://blog.cloudfour.com/the-ems-have-it-proportional-media-queries-ftw/
  1311. # [20:36] <snowfox_ben> Read that one :)
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  1314. # [20:36] <snowfox_ben> It was good, thanks rupl
  1315. # [20:36] <rupl> snowfox_ben: you can also use Sass to convert for you - https://github.com/canarymason/breakpoint
  1316. # [20:37] <snowfox_ben> http://abouthalf.com/development/ems-in-css-media-queries/ is good too
  1317. # [20:37] <rupl> since you end up measuring the window in px anyway
  1318. # [20:37] <rupl> snowfox_ben: look for "$breakpoint-to-ems"
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  1320. # [20:38] <snowfox_ben> Looking now- Thanks.
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  1322. # [20:39] <rupl> np
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  1378. # [21:43] <calimike> Hi, does anyone have a good suggestion for a responsive simple modal library?
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  1384. # [21:47] <Jon47> responsive modals
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  1386. # [21:48] <Jon47> i had a really responsive sandwich for lunch
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  1410. # [22:10] <havvy> Anybody here using Foundation 3.2 have a non-minimized foundation.js ?
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  1412. # [22:12] <lottowinner> #javascript
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  1420. # [22:14] <leb> css question?
  1421. # [22:15] <leb> I have a .class selector for a div and it doesn't match
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  1423. # [22:16] <havvy> leb: What is the selector and what is the div?
  1424. # [22:16] <leb> I add a div.class selector before it and now the .class selector works?
  1425. # [22:17] <leb> div.gaugeLine {
  1426. # [22:17] <leb> background: rgba(129, 129, 129, 0.9);
  1427. # [22:17] <leb> }
  1428. # [22:17] <leb> .gaugeLine {
  1429. # [22:17] <leb> background: rgba(126, 126, 126, 0.6);
  1430. # [22:17] <leb> }
  1431. # [22:17] <leb> without the first selector the second won't work
  1432. # [22:18] <leb> that doesn't match my model of how things work
  1433. # [22:18] <havvy> The second should work without the first.
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  1435. # [22:18] <leb> yes I think so
  1436. # [22:18] <leb> element selectors for the same div work fine
  1437. # [22:18] <leb> I am using class selectors on other elements and they work fine
  1438. # [22:19] <leb> which is more specific?
  1439. # [22:20] <havvy> Class selectors are more specific than element selectors.
  1440. # [22:20] <havvy> ID selectors are more specific than class selectors.
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  1443. # [22:20] <leb> right but is div.gaugeLine or .gaugeLine more specific?
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  1449. # [22:22] <havvy> div.guageLine should be more specific.
  1450. # [22:22] <havvy> 11 vs. 10 IIRC.
  1451. # [22:22] <leb> right
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  1453. # [22:22] <leb> so the funny thing is the more specific one didn't match but caused the less specific one to match
  1454. # [22:22] <leb> This is Safari
  1455. # [22:22] <leb> I will try so other browsers now
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