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  130. # [02:56] <paul_irish> no big deal http://paulirish.com/i/1705e0.png
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  195. # [04:48] <slamice> I want an elegant solution for typing arabic and English on the same line in an editor
  196. # [04:49] <slamice> Not sure if a clean solution is even possible
  197. # [04:49] <slamice> in html5
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  202. # [04:54] <slamice> please?
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  237. # [05:37] <eMyller> 'evening
  238. # [05:38] <eMyller> I'm coding a stars-rating thing based on a yellow bar as background and an overlay of stars outlines.
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  240. # [05:39] <eMyller> The overlay element is set on a span, containing the % rating but with font-size: 0 and proper size/background to display the stars outline.
  241. # [05:39] <eMyller> But I wonder what element should I use for the yellow bar.
  242. # [05:40] <eMyller> I don't want any presentational markup.
  243. # [05:40] <eMyller> Any suggestions?
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  246. # [05:41] <jarek> eMyller: if you don't know which element to use, use div or span
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  248. # [05:41] <eMyller> jarek: div or span would be presentational markup, which I seriously dislike.
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  250. # [05:42] <eMyller> Also, I'd have to specify a width on it, so it makes sense at the content level.
  251. # [05:43] <jarek> eMyller: <div> and <span> are not presentational elements
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  253. # [05:44] <eMyller> Best shot I gave was a <img ... width="50%" alt="5 out of 10 points">, but I don't know till where a dumb 1x1 yellow png makes any sense.
  254. # [05:44] <eMyller> jarek: They are as soon as you're using them as presentational markup. :)
  255. # [05:45] <jarek> eMyller: <img> tag should be used for embedding images that are *content* (e.g. a photo in blog post or company logo)
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  257. # [05:45] <jarek> eMyller: overlays or background images should be set with CSS
  258. # [05:46] <eMyller> Okay, but where would the "width" thing go?
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  260. # [05:46] * eMyller agrees on the img part
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  262. # [05:46] * eMyller ...which is why he came here to ask
  263. # [05:46] <jarek> eMyller: there are many CSS properties that allow you to scale background images
  264. # [05:46] <jarek> eMyller: there is background-size, background-repeat, background-position
  265. # [05:47] <tw2113> divs are not presentational
  266. # [05:47] <tw2113> they're generic containers of stuff
  267. # [05:48] <jarek> eMyller: if you don't want any dummy divs you could try using :before or :after CSS selectors, but this will only make your code less maintainable
  268. # [05:53] <eMyller> tw2113: In this context, a div would not contain anything; so it would be presentational.
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  270. # [05:53] <tw2113> if it's not containing anything, what is it presenting?
  271. # [05:53] <eMyller> jarek: Actually, a :before rule is a great idea. For some reason I didn't thought about this here.
  272. # [05:54] <eMyller> Thanks!
  273. # [05:54] <eMyller> tw2113: It would just serve as a yellow bar. No content, definitely.
  274. # [05:54] <jarek> eMyller: it's terrible idea, debugging elements styles with :before and :after is a nightmare
  275. # [05:55] <jarek> s/styles/styled
  276. # [05:55] <tw2113> so don't debug his markup jarek
  277. # [05:55] <tw2113> :P
  278. # [05:55] <eMyller> jarek: Chrome's Web Inspector is pretty nice with :before and :after.
  279. # [05:55] <tw2113> same with firebug
  280. # [05:56] <tw2113> IE...meh
  281. # [05:56] <eMyller> Anyways, I just found out why I didn't thought about it before: width.
  282. # [05:56] <eMyller> A % width must be defined at content level. So...
  283. # [05:56] <tw2113> or display: block
  284. # [05:56] <eMyller> tw2113: It's not what I mean.
  285. # [05:57] <tw2113> we're just talking about your feels right now?
  286. # [05:57] <eMyller> [01:40:46] <eMyller> Best shot I gave was a <img ... width="50%" alt="5 out of 10 points">, but I don't know till where a dumb 1x1 yellow png makes any sense.
  287. # [05:57] <tw2113> or everyone's?
  288. # [05:57] <jarek> eMyller: just use freaking <div>, there are absolutely no drawbacks of it
  289. # [05:58] <tw2113> it's presentational!
  290. # [05:58] <eMyller> jarek: A freaking div a span or whatever it is will still need a freaking width.
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  292. # [05:58] <jarek> take a look at widget toolkits such as SenchaUI or jQueryUI, they use them all over the place
  293. # [05:58] <eMyller> width="49%" = 4.9 points out of 10
  294. # [05:59] <jarek> because HTML does not provide vocabulary for defining overlays or custom buttons
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  297. # [06:00] <eMyller> I don't feel like bundling a bunch of extra js and css just to insert this. If I do anything bad, I'll just drop a <span style="width:49%"> and I'm done.
  298. # [06:00] <jarek> eMyller: you can set div width with $0.style.width = '49%'
  299. # [06:01] <eMyller> I just came here because I like to keep my content semantic and simple -- which is, btw, something I rarely see these days.
  300. # [06:02] <tw2113> keep the semantics to actual content, not visual stars :P
  301. # [06:02] <tw2113> although to some degree, ratings would be content
  302. # [06:02] <tw2113> touche there
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  304. # [06:03] <eMyller> tw2113: Actually, the stars are just an overlay defined through a legal style rule. :)
  305. # [06:03] <jarek> eMyller: star rating widget is not document, applying content rules to it does not make sense
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  307. # [06:03] <eMyller> tw2113: The essential part here is a yellow bar that stays behind the stars overlay. That's what I've been trying to figure out a decent way to input.
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  312. # [06:05] <tw2113> <div></div>
  313. # [06:05] <eMyller> tw2113: Dude, how am I supposed to style that considering the variable rating value among MANY items?
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  315. # [06:06] <tw2113> css :D
  316. # [06:06] <tw2113> add a class to it perhaps
  317. # [06:06] <tw2113> IDs work too
  318. # [06:06] <tw2113> or data attributes
  319. # [06:06] <eMyller> If EVERY item had 0.49 or rating, I'd add a damn value to the css saying that div has 49% width
  320. # [06:06] <eMyller> s/or/of
  321. # [06:07] <eMyller> But it's not, so I have to have it in an attribute that works for styling
  322. # [06:07] <tw2113> are attributes evil somehow?
  323. # [06:08] <eMyller> tw2113: Then show me how could I style something depending on the value of a data-rating value. :)
  324. # [06:08] <jarek> eMyller: in HTML: <div data-value="0.49">
  325. # [06:08] <eMyller> jarek: ↑
  326. # [06:08] <jarek> eMyller: in CSS: div[data-value="0.49'] {background: yellow;}
  327. # [06:08] <eMyller> Oh, then I'm supposed to write 100 lines of code for 0.00 until 1.00. GREAT. :D
  328. # [06:08] <jarek> though if you are going to have more than say 5 values then I would just use JS
  329. # [06:09] <jarek> eMyller: no, use JS: element.style.width = '0.49%'
  330. # [06:09] <tw2113> employ some mathematics
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  333. # [06:10] <eMyller> jarek: js is the least painfully approach, indeed.
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  336. # [06:11] <eMyller> for (var i = -1, els = document.getElementsByClassName('stars-rating'); els[++i];) els[i].style.width = parseFloat(els[i].textContent) * 100 + '%'
  337. # [06:12] <eMyller> Considering I'd have the rating value as its content, that would do it.
  338. # [06:12] <eMyller> els[i].getAttribute('data-rating') would work too.
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  340. # [06:14] <eMyller> tw2113, jarek: anyways, thanks for the help and sorry for being a jerk in your opinions maybe.
  341. # [06:14] <tw2113> i'm cool
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  343. # [06:15] <tw2113> too lazy to be offended
  344. # [06:17] <eMyller> Wasn't my intention anyway.
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  477. # [10:18] <thomasberends> Hi guys. Small problem here: I'm making my mobile website offline capable, and within the app, it checks if the user is offline/online with a script. If the user is online, a google maps (api v3) is loaded. But for some reason it can't load the google maps. I listed it in the NETWORK section but that doesn't work.
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  479. # [10:18] <thomasberends> Where the problem occurs: http://m.wux.nl/locatie
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  484. # [10:27] <thomasberends> Nevermind. Solved it. (:
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  542. # [11:56] <phrearch> hey
  543. # [11:56] <phrearch> anyone knows of some good example of single page applications?
  544. # [11:56] <phrearch> i found grooveshark.com which is pretty cool
  545. # [11:56] <phrearch> but i need another example which shows SPA navigation
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  1220. # [23:21] <hellyeah> hey
  1221. # [23:21] <hellyeah> can you suggest any tutorials for making svg clock with html5
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  1224. # [23:24] <David_Bradbury> I http://html5demos.com/svg-clock - Look at the source for that
  1225. # [23:25] <David_Bradbury> Otherwise, you'll need to be more specific on which part of the process you need more help with
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  1227. # [23:26] <David_Bradbury> @ hellyeah
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  1230. # [23:28] <hellyeah> i just need more sophisticated clock
  1231. # [23:28] <hellyeah> David_Bradbury:
  1232. # [23:28] <David_Bradbury> Then you'll need to be more specific with what you're looking for
  1233. # [23:28] <David_Bradbury> @ hellyeah
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  1235. # [23:29] <hellyeah> sure
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  1237. # [23:30] <hellyeah> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/663140555/big-font-b-discount-b-font-Leyu-wall-font-b-clock-b-font-12-font-b.jpg
  1238. # [23:30] <hellyeah> for example
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  1240. # [23:31] <hellyeah> if you mean that
  1241. # [23:31] <David_Bradbury> It is functionally the same thing, just replace the graphics. Or are you asking how to draw the numbers in SVG?
  1242. # [23:32] <hellyeah> replacing graphics, draw number etc.
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  1244. # [23:34] <David_Bradbury> So as far as drawing graphics go, http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/using-inline-svgs-with-html5/ , https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/SVG
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  1246. # [23:35] <David_Bradbury> Then using basically the same JavaScript in that example, manipulate the hour/minute/second hands and their attributes
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  1248. # [23:38] <hellyeah> thanks for tutorials
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