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  25. # [00:33] <jkoul> anyone looking to start up a web project
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  59. # [01:35] <taqutor> Hi. Anyone here good at websockets?
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  167. # [04:35] <samir> hi can you help me i am new to webdesign , i have a herozental menu each menu consist of word+icon now i applied display:table-cell and vertical-align:middle , the icon img was align perfect but the word in the span didnt aligned vertically beside the icon what wrong here ?
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  237. # [06:40] <Xymon> I've been working on a node.js html5 chat system: http://chat.xymon-sinclair.com/ would like some people to come take a look, perhaps help me test it
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  260. # [07:32] <Xymon> I've been working on a node.js html5 chat system: http://chat.xymon-sinclair.com/ would like some people to come take a look, perhaps help me test it
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  301. # [09:08] <Xymon> http://chat.xymon-sinclair.com/ node.js, html5, socket.io project i'm working on.
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  325. # [09:47] <Dirkos> How come that the loadeddata callback isnt always fired?
  326. # [09:49] <Xymon> Wrong chat?
  327. # [09:49] <Xymon> Not sure what you're talking about lol.
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  329. # [09:50] <Dirkos> ah its about html5 video sorry
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  332. # [09:52] <[Tyrant]> creepers awaky?
  333. # [09:53] <Xymon> I certainly am.
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  432. # [11:52] <PeNNiSmEn> hello
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  437. # [12:05] <Bansku> well hello there
  438. # [12:05] <rolle> Hi.
  439. # [12:05] <Bansku> onko tää pulinan rolle :o
  440. # [12:05] <rolle> Kyllä.
  441. # [12:06] <Bansku> jee, ite oon Frozenball quakenetissä :p
  442. # [12:06] <rolle> :)
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  643. # [16:23] <liliEA> is it beneficial use data-uri to load javascript ?
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  654. # [16:26] <austincheney> liliEA: not really
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  657. # [16:26] <austincheney> because then the javascript is not being cached
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  659. # [16:27] <liliEA> is there a way to force the caching ?
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  663. # [16:29] <austincheney> javascript will be cached automatically if it is an external file from the html
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  672. # [16:32] <liliEA> austincheney: i see, so is there an advantage of using data-uri beside less requests ?
  673. # [16:32] <austincheney> portability
  674. # [16:33] <austincheney> a document becomes more portable the fewer files it requests
  675. # [16:33] <liliEA> oh ok
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  680. # [16:36] <liliEA> somehow i had the crazy idea to use data-uri everywere for my script and it just looks horrible in the doc
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  822. # [19:08] <shoshy> hey, is it possible to make a button, that pressing it will allow the user (load the printing prompt) to print a div inside it? (im using bootstrap's modal dialog, and i have a button there named "print")
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  827. # [19:13] <jgrevich> is it invalid to have something like <li class>, or is that another way of saying <li class=''>?
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  847. # [19:26] <Swindlefingers> shoshy: can you provide an example?
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  849. # [19:29] <shoshy> Swindlefingers: hmm.. sure, got better idea , see http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/javascript.html#modals
  850. # [19:29] <shoshy> there's a 'Live demo' , click it and a modal appears
  851. # [19:29] <shoshy> i want to print the content of 'modal-body'
  852. # [19:29] <shoshy> thats all.
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  862. # [19:44] <Swindlefingers> Use a print stylesheet to set display: none on any elements you don't want printed
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  886. # [20:08] <rolle> What is the best html5 framework to use? there's too many...
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  888. # [20:09] <smearcampaign> what do you mean?
  889. # [20:10] <smearcampaign> What frameworks are you looking at?
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  898. # [20:22] <rolle> smearcampaign: For building a site, I mean combination of fine html and css, there is already bootstraps, grids, skeletons and whatnot.
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  900. # [20:24] <smearcampaign> How much are you looking for this stuff to do for you?
  901. # [20:24] <smearcampaign> Do you want built in UI elements?
  902. # [20:24] <smearcampaign> or just some sane defaults and a grid system
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  905. # [20:28] <smearcampaign> Is this enough checkboxes? http://www.initializr.com
  906. # [20:29] <smearcampaign> If not, go here: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/customize.html
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  922. # [20:49] <shoshy> SwindleFinger: on all elements on the screen? i can't somehow just dynamically do that via iframe?
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  925. # [20:49] <shoshy> I know i should use a Print stylesheet somehow... :/
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  927. # [20:50] <troop> hello, in today, html4 strict, xhtml or html5 which is the good?
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  929. # [20:51] <Bansku> it doesn't matter
  930. # [20:51] <Bansku> but use html5
  931. # [20:51] <David_Bradbury> HTML5 is the good now IMO
  932. # [20:52] <rolle> smearcampaign: Yeah, I usually use those. I was just wondering what others prefer.
  933. # [20:52] <troop> html5 is good to reach new technologies but, can any basic pc users reach the page properly? ( for example: mother or grandmother who use windows xp ie6 or something else)
  934. # [20:53] <troop> or what must we do for recieve to all
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  936. # [20:53] <Bansku> why bother
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  938. # [20:54] <smearcampaign> One day women will not have to choose between having a child and using a modern browser...
  939. # [20:54] <troop> because today still, proportion of windows xp users is 35% in the world
  940. # [20:55] <moo-_-> troop: Google Chrome Frame http://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/chrome-frame-getting-started/chrome-frame-faq
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  942. # [20:55] <troop> ok im reading
  943. # [20:55] <Bansku> XP != IE
  944. # [20:55] <moo-_-> troop: and of course, the target audience affects. Most IE6 users are in China.
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  946. # [20:55] <Bansku> and 'The world' is not the target audience for most cases
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  948. # [20:56] <troop> okay then i will write html5
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  950. # [20:59] <modeswitch> paul_irish: is hasjs still being actively developed?
  951. # [21:00] <paul_irish> nope
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  953. # [21:01] <modeswitch> paul_irish: has it been replaced with something else? or was it abandoned for some other reason?
  954. # [21:02] <smearcampaign> is there something you don't like about modernizr?
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  957. # [21:03] <paul_irish> modeswitch: https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/issues/613
  958. # [21:03] <b-ot> paul_irish: Issue #613 by paulirish (9mon 6d ago): has() API adapter
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  961. # [21:03] <troop> so, if you recommend html5 then recommend css3 too?
  962. # [21:04] <modeswitch> paul_irish: thanks
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  964. # [21:05] <modeswitch> smearcampaign: i just didn't know about modernizr, that's all
  965. # [21:05] <smearcampaign> ah, gotcha :)
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  976. # [21:28] <David_Bradbury> troop: Correct. Though I'd recommend keeping 'progressive enhancement' in mind - meaning, make sure that it works using only basic CSS, and work your way up with the fancy stuff
  977. # [21:29] <David_Bradbury> So that way browsers that don't support various features will still have a good experience
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  979. # [21:32] <troop> you mean, build your basic page with general codes but decorate with new features. so, if someone reach with old browser won't see only new features but basic page will work ?
  980. # [21:33] <troop> David_Bradbury
  981. # [21:34] <David_Bradbury> Correct
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  983. # [21:34] <Chat6254> hi
  984. # [21:34] <troop> ok thanks
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  986. # [21:34] <David_Bradbury> :)
  987. # [21:35] <David_Bradbury> Hello Chat6254
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  994. # [21:44] <troop> i try twitter with ietester software
  995. # [21:44] <troop> it redirect me to mobile.twitter
  996. # [21:44] <moo-_-> troop: sounds reasonable
  997. # [21:44] <troop> but, mobile.twitter is different in ie6 and firefox19
  998. # [21:44] <moo-_-> troop: that sounds reasonable too
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  1000. # [21:45] <moo-_-> troop: how old you were when IE6 came to markerts? You know it's technology from those years... :)
  1001. # [21:45] <troop> but how they check ?
  1002. # [21:45] <troop> 31
  1003. # [21:45] <moo-_-> troop: then it was years of eurodance, black and white mobile phones, X-files and stuff
  1004. # [21:45] <troop> how can i check first the broweser?
  1005. # [21:45] <moo-_-> troop: it's called user agent check
  1006. # [21:46] <troop> i was using 5110 nokia
  1007. # [21:46] <troop> thanks
  1008. # [21:46] <moo-_-> troop: but it's better to use this http://modernizr.com/
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  1012. # [21:46] <troop> hmm
  1013. # [21:47] <troop> thanks
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  1019. # [21:52] <moo-_-> np
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  1038. # [22:19] <shoshy> Ok, i'll re-ask , i'm using bootstrap's modal dialog (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/javascript.html#modals there's a 'Live demo' , click it and a modal appears) and i have a button there. Objective: pressing the button will prompt the printer to print the .modal-body div (content of the dialog). Is that possible? how.. i'm using html5 obviously. I tried googling it...
  1039. # [22:19] <shoshy> and how to use css print style in the proccess..
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  1042. # [22:24] <moo-_-> shoshy: you can use print.css to hide all other elements on the page besides modal dialog content
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  1044. # [22:25] <shoshy> moo-_-: ok, sure, but how do i do that @ runtime? (print.css = where is it from? )
  1045. # [22:26] <moo-_-> shoshy: you don't need to do it on run time
  1046. # [22:26] <moo-_-> shoshy: if you use print media query styles are only applied when printing the page
  1047. # [22:26] <shoshy> moo-_-: and how do i load the print prompt of the user?
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  1049. # [22:26] <moo-_-> shoshy: javascript can open the print dialog window of the browser
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  1051. # [22:27] <shoshy> I'd love to read or see an example of that... if you can guide me to the right location..
  1052. # [22:27] <shoshy> i'm dying to learn that..
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  1054. # [22:27] <moo-_-> shoshy: yes
  1055. # [22:27] <moo-_-> shoshy: are you excited?
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  1057. # [22:27] <shoshy> i did found http://www.jonathantneal.com/examples/invoice/
  1058. # [22:27] <shoshy> i think its a cool and much needed thing to learn
  1059. # [22:27] <moo-_-> wait the five seconds I type javascript print dialog in google... :)
  1060. # [22:27] <moo-_-> http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/javascript/article.php/3471121/Print-a-Web-Page-Using-JavaScript.htm
  1061. # [22:27] <moo-_-> boom!
  1062. # [22:27] <moo-_-> :)
  1063. # [22:28] <moo-_-> shoshy: but print css manipulation can be tricky, sometimes
  1064. # [22:28] <moo-_-> definitely doable
  1065. # [22:28] <moo-_-> shoshy: if you want good examples see how Plone CMS does it
  1066. # [22:29] <shoshy> moo-_- : ok , but that says about the print dialog (one done, now the print.css part :) )
  1067. # [22:29] <moo-_-> https://github.com/plone/Products.PloneOrg/blob/master/src/Products/PloneOrg/skins/ploneorg/print.css.dtml
  1068. # [22:29] <moo-_-> how didn't know about this trick
  1069. # [22:29] <moo-_-> #content a:visited:after {
  1070. # [22:29] <moo-_-> content: " [" attr(href) "] ";
  1071. # [22:29] <moo-_-> }
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  1074. # [22:31] <shoshy> hmm..
  1075. # [22:31] <shoshy> question: those css directives, should be add to the print media query only, i assume
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  1077. # [22:32] <moo-_-> shoshy: you can create a separate print.css <link> tag or wrap everything in media print { 9
  1078. # [22:32] <shoshy> i see...
  1079. # [22:32] <shoshy> thanks a lot, ill try it. I think i understood.
  1080. # [22:32] <shoshy> hopefull i did :)
  1081. # [22:32] <shoshy> *hopefully.
  1082. # [22:33] <moo-_-> shoshy: google print media css if need more info
  1083. # [22:33] <shoshy> yea... thats how i got to that invoice link , which is pretty cool and his css reset is: http://www.jonathantneal.com/examples/invoice/style.css
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  1091. # [22:43] <shoshy> moo-_-: you here?
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  1093. # [22:46] <moo-_-> shoshy: I am in Stockholm which tries to be Moscow
  1094. # [22:47] <shoshy> :)
  1095. # [22:47] <shoshy> I tried using *:not(#print_dialog .modal-body){ display: none} inside the @media print {. But with out luck..
  1096. # [22:47] <shoshy> (obviously with the print dialog)
  1097. # [22:47] <moo-_-> shoshy: sure :not works?
  1098. # [22:47] <moo-_-> shoshy: try with simpler selectors first
  1099. # [22:48] <shoshy> wanted to avoid entering all the selectors i have.. as i have a lot.
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