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  35. # [01:01] <brute-force> sup' people?
  36. # [01:02] <brute-force> i need to create a sphere in html 5, how do i do that?
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  39. # [01:05] <averyquery> what does the sphere need to do/look like>
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  114. # [03:12] <saintjudefury> what's so cool about html5 anyway?
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  307. # [10:02] <oneadvent> hi, so i did this: http://paste2.org/p/3242070 but i just get a big black box in ie, any ideas why or what the proper way is to use an audio tag?
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  322. # [10:44] <oneadvent> ended up using conditional html tags...all i know to do
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  412. # [14:08] <pingec> is cookie the only type of storage where session data persists across tabs?
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  414. # [14:09] <pingec> I'd like to save some data that'd expire later and be able to access it from any tab on the same domain
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  433. # [14:46] <[Tyrant]> why does #html5 have more ppl that #html
  434. # [14:46] <[Tyrant]> heh
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  448. # [15:03] <moo-_-> [Tyrant]: I think because there we sometimes have very advanced discussion of new technologies
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  450. # [15:03] <moo-_-> and less people asking random questions of their web development problems
  451. # [15:04] <[Tyrant]> Well that could go both ways as far as chan size :P
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  457. # [15:06] <dahlfors_> indeed. that's what lead me here
  458. # [15:07] <dahlfors_> been doing web dev since 96, I've heard most of the common stuff, no need for repetition. but interesting to keep up when there's some discussions about the new tech
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  496. # [16:09] <Jon47> pingec: check out sessionStorage
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  498. # [16:10] <pingec> Jon47 afaik it does not persist across tabs
  499. # [16:11] <pingec> I implemented it my way
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  501. # [16:11] <pingec> stored to locastorage together with the date
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  503. # [16:13] <Jon47> pingec: sorry, meant to say localStorage
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  505. # [16:14] <Jon47> it is "scoped to an HTML5 origin (scheme + hostname + non-standard port)"
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  507. # [16:14] <pingec> yeah
  508. # [16:15] <pingec> but i have to manage data deletion myself
  509. # [16:15] <pingec> i mean expiration
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  512. # [16:16] <Jon47> oh i see now, nice job
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  610. # [18:10] <David_Bradbury> What else would you close it with?
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  619. # [18:30] <paul_irish> can i ask for some upvotes?
  620. # [18:30] <paul_irish> pretty plz
  621. # [18:30] <paul_irish> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5416882
  622. # [18:30] <averyvery> done
  623. # [18:30] <paul_irish> HN is cranky with me today.
  624. # [18:30] <averyvery> also, this looks awesome
  625. # [18:31] <scottkellum> +1
  626. # [18:32] <paul_irish> thanks!!
  627. # [18:32] <paul_irish> it's pretty sweet.
  628. # [18:32] <paul_irish> been working on it for a few months
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  631. # [18:34] <paul_irish> only three points. it's DOOMED
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  661. # [19:25] <tw2113> *throws an upvote*
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  664. # [19:31] <tw2113> just for you paul_irish
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  670. # [19:39] <paul_irish> thx tw2113!!
  671. # [19:42] <tw2113> things going good over there with Google?
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  675. # [19:45] <paul_irish> its crazy
  676. # [19:45] <tw2113> would you have it any other way though, really?
  677. # [19:46] <paul_irish> that'd be too slow!
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  679. # [19:49] <tw2113> slow and more boring
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  681. # [19:53] <chovy> latest fad in hipsterville? not using closing tags.
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  685. # [19:58] <carlos_antonio> i wish i could get over not using quotes in attributes and not using closing tags
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  688. # [19:59] <chovy> its all fine and dandy until one popular browser doesn't work with that.
  689. # [19:59] <chovy> makes the code less readable ino
  690. # [20:01] <chovy> <li>foo
  691. # [20:01] <chovy> <li>bar
  692. # [20:01] <chovy> "the spec allows for it"
  693. # [20:01] <chovy> me: 'so what, don't do that bs'
  694. # [20:01] <tw2113> i have no issue with omitting the closing li
  695. # [20:02] <chovy> i do
  696. # [20:02] <chovy> once you start nesting shit, your editor won't know what's what
  697. # [20:02] <chovy> let alone readingn someone's code. who didn't put closing tags. we've been through this before. sad to see everyone has jumped aboard this bandwagon again.
  698. # [20:03] <tw2113> li is the only one i tend to do it with too
  699. # [20:03] <tw2113> usually for simple lists
  700. # [20:03] <chovy> <li>foo<ul><li>bar<li>baz
  701. # [20:03] <chovy> <li>foo2
  702. # [20:03] <chovy> wtf
  703. # [20:03] <chovy> that's some unreadable crap
  704. # [20:04] <tw2113> that's why you use line breaks in the editor
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  758. # [21:02] <toothe> Is authentication via certificates an HTML5 feature?
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  789. # [21:22] <moo-_-> toothe: no
  790. # [21:22] <moo-_-> it's HTTP feature
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  811. # [21:47] <toothe> moo-_-: Do you happen to know the name of the feature?
  812. # [21:47] <toothe> WWW-authenticate?
  813. # [21:48] <moo-_-> toothe: ye
  814. # [21:48] <moo-_-> SSL client side verification it is called
  815. # [21:48] <moo-_-> if you mean authenticat by client-side certificate
  816. # [21:48] <moo-_-> like file or smartcard
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  818. # [21:52] <toothe> i wonder if there's a way to write a page that triggers that
  819. # [21:52] <toothe> because, otherwise you'd have to set your code at the apache/iis level
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  822. # [22:00] <moo-_-> toothe: there is
  823. # [22:00] <moo-_-> toothe: let me help you
  824. # [22:02] <moo-_-> toothe: https://gist.github.com/miohtama/5216738
  825. # [22:03] <moo-_-> in other news Firefox nightly and asm.js kicks shit out of speed records https://blog.mozilla.org/luke/2013/03/21/asm-js-in-firefox-nightly/
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  894. # [23:39] <Elitism> Hey, guys. I am kind of confused by the use of anchor tags in recent web development. Why do so many actions have a blank anchor (just adding a # to the end of the URL) to initialize them?
  895. # [23:39] <Elitism> Can someone explain that?
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  897. # [23:41] <moo-_-> Elitism: links are bound to Javascript events
  898. # [23:41] <tantek> Elitism - it's called bad lazy development
  899. # [23:41] <moo-_-> Elitism: if you have javascript disabled they don't work
  900. # [23:41] <tantek> or if you javascript doesn't load (e.g. flakey mobile connection), they don't work
  901. # [23:41] <tantek> which is quite common
  902. # [23:41] <tantek> makes for fragile sights
  903. # [23:42] <tantek> sites even
  904. # [23:43] <Elitism> Oh, okay. I have this initalizr folder to make a demo of a site I wanted to develop, but I have been out of the scene in ages. Are there any primers or comprehensive docs that I could look at for modern dev tricks?
  905. # [23:43] <Elitism> Or should I just start cannibalizing good work, like most good devs do?
  906. # [23:43] <tantek> Ironically, the good techniques for doing javascript enhanced interfaces were documented years ago - 2006: http://domscripting.com/presentations/xtech2006/
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  908. # [23:44] <tantek> so it's not like we haven't figured out how to do it - when you see href="#" it means the web developers was either lazy or ignorant (or both)
  909. # [23:44] <Elitism> Thanks for that!
  910. # [23:44] <tantek> *web developer was / web developers were
  911. # [23:46] <Elitism> Oh! Okay. Reading through the slides helps.
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  919. # [23:56] <pingec> yeah, they should use javascript:void(0) instead
  920. # [23:56] <pingec> :)
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