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  429. # [01:50] <hellyeah> anyone here
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  438. # [01:52] <hellyeah> can you give a hand http://dpaste.com/1033852/
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  734. # [04:55] <ShawnRisk> how do I make this correct in HTML5? id="favvids .youtube iframe.player" Seems I am doing something wrong.
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  736. # [04:57] <averyquery> elements only have one Id, but can have many classes
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  739. # [04:58] <averyquery> maybe you want id="favvids" class="youtube iframe player"? hard to tell
  740. # [04:58] <ShawnRisk> averyquery: let me try
  741. # [04:58] <averyquery> that's one id and three different classes
  742. # [04:58] <ShawnRisk> yes I know
  743. # [04:58] <averyquery> how are you trying to select/operate on the element?
  744. # [04:59] <ShawnRisk> pardon?
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  746. # [05:00] <ShawnRisk> averyquery: give me a second, I will show you full code.
  747. # [05:01] <averyquery> sure
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  756. # [05:06] <ShawnRisk> averyquery: I have pmed you
  757. # [05:07] <tw2113> ShawnRisk, ID and class stuff is no different in html5 than it is in html4
  758. # [05:07] <ShawnRisk> tw2113: good to know
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  937. # [10:03] <Harris> guyz
  938. # [10:03] <Harris> i need help
  939. # [10:04] <Harris> how do i put a server status on my webpage?
  940. # [10:05] <Harris> a game server
  941. # [10:05] <Harris> like online/offline status
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  943. # [10:06] <pats_Toms> it depends on the game
  944. # [10:06] <Harris> minecraft
  945. # [10:06] <Harris> i wanna put my server status on my website
  946. # [10:07] <Harris> do you know how?
  947. # [10:08] <Harris> hello?
  948. # [10:09] <pats_Toms> sounds like you need some backend code or use services like game-monitor.net
  949. # [10:09] <pats_Toms> *games-monitor.net
  950. # [10:09] <Harris> how is that
  951. # [10:09] <pats_Toms> this is not html5 related topic
  952. # [10:10] <Harris> umm ok but wait
  953. # [10:10] <Harris> one question
  954. # [10:10] <Harris> how do i make a website where people can login/register ?
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  956. # [10:11] <aeoris> Harris: The status thing can be done with javascript or a server-side language like PHP or Ruby (for instance, attempting to open a connection to the server).
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  958. # [10:11] <Harris> can u tell me how aeoris?
  959. # [10:11] <Harris> i know nothing about php
  960. # [10:11] <Harris> just little javascript
  961. # [10:11] <aeoris> I just told you, it's up to you to look up on the internets to learn how to do it. :P
  962. # [10:12] <Harris> umm ok how do i make a website that lets people register/login and they can login again and gain perms
  963. # [10:13] <aeoris> Same answer does the trick: using a server-side language to register and obtain information from a permanent data storage (files, databases...).
  964. # [10:13] <Harris> not MySQL right?
  965. # [10:14] <Harris> please no
  966. # [10:14] <aeoris> Yes, MySQL is a database system, so you can use it.
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  968. # [10:14] <Harris> can i use anything besides mysql?
  969. # [10:14] <Harris> flatfile
  970. # [10:14] <aeoris> Sure, there are tons of database management systems, files are not that safe... but you can use them, of course.
  971. # [10:15] <Harris> why are files "not safe" ?
  972. # [10:15] <aeoris> Most of the programmers around there began with such questions.
  973. # [10:15] <Harris> im a beginner :)
  974. # [10:16] <aeoris> Because plain files aren't indexable and are hared to optimise, are readable by many users (if file permissions aren't set properly, and that happens most of the time).
  975. # [10:17] <aeoris> On the other side, databases implement user management systems, optimisation algorithms and a nice language to interact with the database (SQL).
  976. # [10:17] <Harris> so,it'll hash and salt those passwords automaticly/
  977. # [10:17] <aeoris> That's your job.
  978. # [10:18] <aeoris> However, it *will* store the information you enter securely.
  979. # [10:18] <Harris> so SQL is just a programme used to store passwords/auth stuffs right?
  980. # [10:18] <Harris> great
  981. # [10:19] <aeoris> SQL is a [programming] language to interact with a database, enabling you to do CRUD (Create, Read, Update, Delete).
  982. # [10:19] <aeoris> (And a few other things you don't need to know as of now).
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  984. # [10:20] <Harris> i actually got some probs with placing side bars
  985. # [10:20] <Harris> html5 stuffs
  986. # [10:20] <Harris> let me upload my files and show u my website
  987. # [10:25] <Harris> domain.com kinda suck
  988. # [10:25] <Harris> updated my css file and no change
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  1001. # [10:48] <Armistice> Does anyone have any experience with html5lib in php?
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  1042. # [11:49] <pats_Toms> I have some question about normalizer. I am using it for some time, but I can't understand how to make fixed div in bottom of browser screen
  1043. # [11:49] <pats_Toms> with normalizer body is not all screen
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  1045. # [11:49] <pats_Toms> it's only big as my content is
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  1050. # [12:05] <philhutchinson> Hi, does anyone know, in an HTML5 app, is there a way to keep a static reference to a photo in the photo gallery on iPhone/iPad?
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  1073. # [12:41] <moo-_-> philhutchinson: n
  1074. # [12:41] <moo-_-> no
  1075. # [12:41] <moo-_-> philhutchinson: you need copy it to localStorage
  1076. # [12:41] <moo-_-> which has size limit of 5 MB
  1077. # [12:43] <philhutchinson> how do i do that?
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  1358. # [18:54] <rex> hi
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  1366. # [18:56] <moo-_-> rex: hel
  1367. # [18:56] <moo-_-> ,
  1368. # [18:56] <moo-_-> he
  1369. # [18:57] <moo-_-> hello
  1370. # [18:57] <moo-_-> + couple of backspaces
  1371. # [18:57] <rex> greetings once again
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  1376. # [19:03] <sunbeam> how to detect a tablet browser?
  1377. # [19:03] <sunbeam> (by device etc, not by resolution)
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  1381. # [19:06] <moo-_-> sunbeam: https://twitter.com/moo9000/status/314793906581671936
  1382. # [19:06] <b-ot> moo-_-: @moo9000: Separating devices by physical size with #css media queries http://t.co/IoGEeXnsCN
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  1385. # [19:07] <scottkellum> you can UA sniff for a specific device browser. Or you can use modernizr touch detection.
  1386. # [19:08] <scottkellum> not sure if the use case is to direct someone to an app store or provide specific functionality to a touch optimized device
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  1388. # [19:09] <moo-_-> sunbeam: how do you define a tablet device?
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  1390. # [19:09] <moo-_-> the only way you can define is the physical size
  1391. # [19:09] <sunbeam> uagent
  1392. # [19:10] <sunbeam> specific functionality
  1393. # [19:10] <moo-_-> sunbeam: then you detect the specific functionality, not tablet, as scottkellum says :)
  1394. # [19:10] <sunbeam> yea sorry
  1395. # [19:10] <sunbeam> hehe
  1396. # [19:10] <sunbeam> scottkellum: how would you do this
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  1398. # [19:11] <moo-_-> uset agent detection is like trying to suck your own toe after you stretch it to your mouth over a shoulder
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  1400. # [19:11] <scottkellum> UA detection is great if you need to do something specific on a specific device. Like link to an app store.
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  1403. # [19:12] <scottkellum> It is not good for turning on/off website features.
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  1405. # [19:13] <scottkellum> sunbeam: Modernizr has touch detection: http://modernizr.com/docs/
  1406. # [19:13] <moo-_-> scottkellum: s/device/iPhone
  1407. # [19:13] <paul_irish> scottkellum: we're deprecating modernizr.touch :)
  1408. # [19:14] <scottkellum> paul_irish: orly? in favor of the corse mq in css level 4?
  1409. # [19:14] <paul_irish> nah
  1410. # [19:14] <paul_irish> in favor of Modernizr.touchevents and Modernizr.pointerevents
  1411. # [19:15] <paul_irish> the coarse mq doesnt blend well with modernizr's API
  1412. # [19:15] <paul_irish> tbh i dont know what the right recommendation is yet
  1413. # [19:15] <moo-_-> it will be a mess when the next input method is invented :)
  1414. # [19:15] <paul_irish> someone else shoudl figure that out
  1415. # [19:15] <paul_irish> moo-_-: lots of 3d gesture stuff already
  1416. # [19:16] <moo-_-> and waving your device around
  1417. # [19:16] <scottkellum> +1 yeah. And Win devices emulate the mouse so touch has its problems
  1418. # [19:16] <paul_irish> aye
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  1427. # [19:28] <sunbeam> i just need to detect only tablet devices
  1428. # [19:28] <sunbeam> (all tablet browsers)
  1429. # [19:28] <sunbeam> thats it
  1430. # [19:28] <sunbeam> either android for tablets or ios
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  1434. # [19:32] <moo-_-> sunbeam: yes, but you still cannot say what is "tablet"
  1435. # [19:32] <moo-_-> is android phone with 5,5" screen tablet?
  1436. # [19:32] <moo-_-> is android phone with 3,5" screen tablet?
  1437. # [19:32] <moo-_-> do you see the problem?
  1438. # [19:34] <sunbeam> i have never used android on a tablet sorry
  1439. # [19:34] <sunbeam> is there no way to detect whether thr browser is running on an android tablet (versus phone) ?
  1440. # [19:34] <moo-_-> sunbeam: no!
  1441. # [19:34] <moo-_-> there is no tablet
  1442. # [19:34] <moo-_-> there is no mobile
  1443. # [19:34] <moo-_-> there are only devices running android
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  1445. # [19:35] <moo-_-> unless you can define what do you think satisfies tablet criteria we can discuss further
  1446. # [19:36] <moo-_-> and if the answer is screen size
  1447. # [19:36] <moo-_-> I have posted the link above where is the solution
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  1449. # [19:36] <sunbeam> well lets say I only target android and ios for tablets
  1450. # [19:36] <sunbeam> i'm not interested in other tablet os
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  1452. # [19:37] * moo-_- gives up
  1453. # [19:37] <scottkellum> http://www.cybersharq.com/uploads/2012/01/b8f4e1cf70ES2012.png.png
  1454. # [19:37] <moo-_-> sunbeam: there are only devices running android <--- now, read that carefully
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  1456. # [19:38] <sunbeam> so i should target a list of devices?
  1457. # [19:39] <moo-_-> sunbeam: no
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  1461. # [19:39] <sunbeam> i give it up then
  1462. # [19:39] <sunbeam> i just
  1463. # [19:39] <sunbeam> SIMPLY
  1464. # [19:39] <sunbeam> need the resize functionality
  1465. # [19:39] <sunbeam> of the tablets
  1466. # [19:39] <moo-_-> sunbeam: good
  1467. # [19:39] <moo-_-> sunbeam: this is what you should have asked in the first place
  1468. # [19:40] <sunbeam> ok sorry
  1469. # [19:40] <moo-_-> sunbeam: now go to read this https://twitter.com/moo9000/status/314793906581671936
  1470. # [19:40] <b-ot> moo-_-: @moo9000: Separating devices by physical size with #css media queries http://t.co/IoGEeXnsCN
  1471. # [19:40] <moo-_-> and come back if the answer doesn't satisfy you
  1472. # [19:40] <moo-_-> I'll go to curse somewhere
  1473. # [19:41] <sunbeam> so i'd need enquire.js for this
  1474. # [19:41] <sunbeam> ?
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  1476. # [19:44] <scottkellum> sunbeam: Yes if you need your JS to do something different at a different size.
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  1479. # [19:45] <scottkellum> For CSS just use native media queries.
  1480. # [19:46] <sunbeam> JS needs to change the media querie css <link>
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  1489. # [20:00] <sunbeam> moo-_-: scottkellum enquire.register("screen and max-resolution: 150dpi and max-width: 300px",
  1490. # [20:01] <sunbeam> so i would basically need to specify a long list of max-res and max-width?
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  1493. # [20:03] <scottkellum> just a single ("min-width: whatever and min-height: whatever") should cover all your bases.
  1494. # [20:04] <sunbeam> why, i mean is there 1 dpi to target for all tablets?
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  1496. # [20:05] <scottkellum> you need to draw your own line between tablets and phones, and it will probably be based on width not dpi
  1497. # [20:07] <sunbeam> That is the whole problem, i do not want to do anything based on width
  1498. # [20:07] <sunbeam> because if someone resizes his browser to 700px width, those will also fall under that
  1499. # [20:08] <scottkellum> then use width in combination with Modernizr.touchevents
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  1501. # [20:09] <sunbeam> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7928200/using-modernizr-to-test-for-tablet-and-mobile-opinions-wanted
  1502. # [20:09] <sunbeam> what about this?
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  1505. # [20:12] <scottkellum> that is a correct answer to your problem as well, although I would avoid UA detection as they recommend because it’s very difficult to maintain that list.
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  1507. # [20:13] <scottkellum> width + touch should get you where you want to go. UA is another technique as well if you find that suited to your needs.
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  1511. # [20:18] <sunbeam> ok
  1512. # [20:18] <sunbeam> i'll go for touch and width
  1513. # [20:19] <sunbeam> thanks
  1514. # [20:20] <sunbeam> scottkellum: so i check if html hasClass touch?
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  1516. # [20:22] <scottkellum> sunbeam: if (Modernizr.touch) { }
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  1518. # [20:23] <scottkellum> sunbeam: docs: http://modernizr.com/docs/
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  1520. # [20:27] <sunbeam> ok thanks
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  1570. # [21:45] <troop> i think that html5+css3+javascript are languages of the future in every platform
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  1590. # [22:08] <moo-_-> troop: you think wisely
  1591. # [22:08] <moo-_-> :)
  1592. # [22:08] <troop> they will be independent from any platform
  1593. # [22:08] <troop> really.
  1594. # [22:08] <moo-_-> troop: we will see that during our life time
  1595. # [22:08] <moo-_-> but there is still journey to go
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  1634. # [23:18] <DrShoggoth> I am trying to get a span containing divs next to another span containing more divs
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  1655. # [23:43] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: are you mixing inline and block elements?
  1656. # [23:43] <moo-_-> that might the issue
  1657. # [23:43] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: make all elements display: inline-block
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  1659. # [23:44] <DrShoggoth> that is a bit confusing, I must not understand something about div vs span
  1660. # [23:44] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: by default
  1661. # [23:44] <moo-_-> div is display: block element
  1662. # [23:44] <moo-_-> and span is display: inline
  1663. # [23:44] <moo-_-> and they behave differently
  1664. # [23:44] <DrShoggoth> I tried to have two spans next to one another, and each containing divs on top of each other
  1665. # [23:45] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: that is how it should work
  1666. # [23:45] <moo-_-> inline elements go side-by-side
  1667. # [23:45] <moo-_-> blocks on the top of each other
  1668. # [23:45] <DrShoggoth> that was the plan
  1669. # [23:45] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: try doing jsfiddle.net example
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  1671. # [23:49] <DrShoggoth> http://jsfiddle.net/pGzDG/
  1672. # [23:49] <DrShoggoth> moo-_-, ^^
  1673. # [23:49] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: ok the problem
  1674. # [23:49] <moo-_-> inline elements cannot contain block elements
  1675. # [23:49] <moo-_-> you cannot put <div> inside <span>
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  1677. # [23:50] <DrShoggoth> ah
  1678. # [23:50] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: try do it all the way using divs
  1679. # [23:50] <moo-_-> and use display: inline-block when you need them side-by-side
  1680. # [23:51] <DrShoggoth> ok so, s/span/div inline:block/g ?
  1681. # [23:51] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: yes
  1682. # [23:51] <DrShoggoth> kk, tyvm
  1683. # [23:51] <moo-_-> and you can explicitly change it with CSS
  1684. # [23:51] <moo-_-> like
  1685. # [23:51] <moo-_-> span.foobar { display: block; }
  1686. # [23:51] <DrShoggoth> right
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  1689. # [23:51] <moo-_-> please note that display: inline-block has IE7- issues if you need to deal with the grandmother of all browsers
  1690. # [23:51] <DrShoggoth> should i just leave them as spans and inline:block them?
  1691. # [23:51] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: ye
  1692. # [23:52] <DrShoggoth> cool
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  1694. # [23:52] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: try read a tutorial about the subject first
  1695. # [23:52] <moo-_-> with some more in-depth tricks
  1696. # [23:52] <moo-_-> I don't have any, sorry
  1697. # [23:52] <moo-_-> :<
  1698. # [23:52] <DrShoggoth> thanks, you got me rolling in the right direction
  1699. # [23:53] <moo-_-> np
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  1701. # [23:53] <moo-_-> life is good, then you find CSS and
  1702. # [23:53] <moo-_-> well, not so good
  1703. # [23:53] <moo-_-> DrShoggoth: http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/general/the-11-phases-of-a-web-developers-career-as-illustrated-by-memes/
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