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  89. # [02:09] <prbc> Hi, I would like to no what this do http://pastebin.com/i9tXsUm7, can anybody explain me?
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  93. # [02:11] <tw2113> prbc, conditional output for IE
  94. # [02:12] <prbc> tw2113: but, what it will do?
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  96. # [02:12] <tw2113> take line 4
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  98. # [02:12] <tw2113> if the browser the user is using is anything below IE7, the lt-ie9, lt-ie8 etc classes will be recognized
  99. # [02:12] <prbc> tw2113: no-js lt-ie10, what it will do?
  100. # [02:13] <tw2113> if they're on IE9, line 7 will be recognized
  101. # [02:13] <tw2113> those are just classes
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  103. # [02:13] <tw2113> that's it
  104. # [02:13] <tw2113> classes you can use with your css
  105. # [02:13] <prbc> tw2113: so, people put something on css?
  106. # [02:13] <tw2113> they use them for their css selectors
  107. # [02:14] <prbc> tw2113: I look at a lot of website that have this, but don't mention it in css
  108. # [02:14] <tw2113> i know a js library like modernizr uses the no-js part and will remove the class and add "js" to the tag if js is enabled
  109. # [02:14] <prbc> tw2113: does it need modernizr?
  110. # [02:14] <tw2113> it's a trick for IE specific styles
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  112. # [02:15] <tw2113> no, you don't need modernizr to use the snippet above
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  114. # [02:15] <prbc> tw2113: bootstrap uses it?
  115. # [02:15] <tw2113> other browsers don't recognize the IE conditionals
  116. # [02:15] <tw2113> just IE does for IE9 and down
  117. # [02:16] <tw2113> add .lt-ie10 in front of your selector to have it only target IE9 and down
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  120. # [02:18] <prbc> tw2113: what? chrome dont even read this conditionals?
  121. # [02:18] <tw2113> nope
  122. # [02:18] <tw2113> for chrome it should just see <html class="no-js">
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  124. # [02:18] <tw2113> in terms of rendering the page and parsing the dom
  125. # [02:19] <ComputerSolution> can someone jump in #startups and ask what asshole banned me for being afk?
  126. # [02:19] <prbc> humm, so it will read that and I need some js lib like modernizr to put js?
  127. # [02:19] <tw2113> no on needing some js lib
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  129. # [02:19] <tw2113> it's a tool like any other
  130. # [02:19] <tw2113> but it's not a requirement
  131. # [02:20] <tw2113> the no-js class is there for all browsers so that you can style something different and whatnot on the chance that a user has javascript disabled
  132. # [02:20] <tw2113> if you choose to do that
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  136. # [02:22] <prbc> but, how i would avoid the style "no-js" if it will be shown at all browsers?
  137. # [02:23] <tw2113> don't use it in your selectors
  138. # [02:23] <tw2113> it's not applying any styles by default
  139. # [02:23] <tw2113> it's just a class that's available to be used
  140. # [02:23] <tw2113> on 1 dom element
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  143. # [02:25] <prbc> tw2113: Sorry, I can't understand yet the reason of using it :/
  144. # [02:26] <tw2113> ok
  145. # [02:26] <tw2113> prbc, say you are a user visiting site.com
  146. # [02:26] <tw2113> and you are very security conscience and have your javascript disabled
  147. # [02:26] <tw2113> site.com uses this lil trick with the no-js class
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  150. # [02:27] <tw2113> because of it, they style some stuff differently for you and others who have no js enabled
  151. # [02:27] <tw2113> now I go and visit site.com and i'm less worried and have js enabled
  152. # [02:27] <tw2113> my experience is tailered a bit differently because of my js enabled status
  153. # [02:28] <tw2113> it's the same idea of IE specific css with conditional tags
  154. # [02:28] <tw2113> except it's with javascript
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  182. # [03:00] <prbc> tw2113: but look..
  183. # [03:00] <prbc> tw2113: if have js enabled
  184. # [03:01] <prbc> tw2113: and i visited site.com that have no-js style on html tag
  185. # [03:01] <tw2113> if you haven't used it in any css selectors, all it does is sit there
  186. # [03:01] <tw2113> it's nothing magical
  187. # [03:01] <prbc> tw2113: i will see something that should be visible only if my js was disabled
  188. # [03:01] <tw2113> it's just like a class you plop on a div
  189. # [03:02] <prbc> tw2113: yes but in my css i put something like .no-js {display:block}
  190. # [03:02] <tw2113> meaning you have to use it in your css selectors for it to do anything
  191. # [03:02] <prbc> it will be visible even my js is enabled no?
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  193. # [03:02] <tw2113> in this case, yes
  194. # [03:02] <tw2113> unless you use a js lib or so that removes it
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  196. # [03:03] <prbc> aaaa
  197. # [03:03] <tw2113> and adds "js" or simply removes
  198. # [03:03] <prbc> tw2113: so....
  199. # [03:03] <prbc> tw2113: it doesnt make sense to put it without a js lib to verify
  200. # [03:03] <tw2113> even just removing via js wouldn't be a bad thign
  201. # [03:03] <prbc> tw2113: right?
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  203. # [03:03] <tw2113> if you use it in your selectors and don't remove it for js enabled, yes
  204. # [03:04] <prbc> tw2113: hummmm ok, that was my question :>D
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  206. # [03:04] <prbc> tw2113: thank you
  207. # [03:04] <ComputerSolution> Your're welcome
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  448. # [09:51] <mulinux> what do you expect when you rub in a wonderlamp?
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  455. # [09:57] <asdasd75> is there a way to access to a db that is in the same folder?
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  515. # [11:31] <Pal-an> Hi.....I have a div with 125 height.....Ex <div> Text - 1 </div>.....i need to display the "Text - 1" in the center of the div...
  516. # [11:31] <Pal-an> is it possible
  517. # [11:31] <Pal-an> little thing
  518. # [11:31] <Pal-an> but Am not able to find the solution
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  521. # [11:35] <Moo-_-> Pal-an: hi Pal-an. This is a channel to discuss about the development of latest HTML5 technologies. I suggest you try asking your question on stackoverflow.com
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  526. # [11:46] <Pal-an> Moo-_- Thank you
  527. # [11:46] <ComputerSolution> Your're welcome
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  539. # [12:15] <asdasd75> is there a way to access to a db that is in the same folder?
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  1042. # [20:33] <gkatsev> jsbin.com ftw, mokush
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  1044. # [20:33] <gkatsev> codepen.io is nice too
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  1070. # [21:16] <chinoto> if charset is set in the http header, is there any reason to set it in the html of the main page using <meta>?
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  1075. # [21:18] <Moo-_-> chinoto: no
  1076. # [21:18] <Moo-_-> <meta> is only for filesystem files
  1077. # [21:18] <Moo-_-> not served over HTTP
  1078. # [21:18] <chinoto> ah, that would be useful for someone who doesn't have a local web server
  1079. # [21:19] <chinoto> thanks, now to get rid of all the meta junk.
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  1081. # [21:19] <chinoto> and set header where needed*
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  1084. # [21:22] <Moo-_-> chinoto: file:// is nowadays broken many other ways due to new APIs and stuff
  1085. # [21:22] <Moo-_-> chinoto: better to recommend local development servers
  1086. # [21:22] <Moo-_-> python -m SimpleHTTPServer
  1087. # [21:23] <chinoto> I'm using apache, I intend to get nginx working so I'm closer to the production environment
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  1094. # [21:29] <Moo-_-> chinoto: I prefer to keep my application logic free from Apache, Nginx, etc. so it is easy to change the front facing web server
  1095. # [21:29] <Moo-_-> chinoto: however, some other people have different strategies and depend on Nginx etc. in their application
  1096. # [21:30] <Moo-_-> but if you can be free from web server this gives you more freedom and thus potential happiness in the future
  1097. # [21:30] <chinoto> Moo-_-: I think that's a goal to aim for, but just in case, it's better to have everything using the same software
  1098. # [21:30] <Moo-_-> chinoto: and setting up apache / nginx locally may be pain
  1099. # [21:30] <Moo-_-> there are more lightweight web servers just for development purposes
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  1101. # [21:31] <Moo-_-> chinoto: in any case if you decide go for apache/nginx
  1102. # [21:31] <chinoto> apache isn't that bad, though I'm lazy and did it through packages and dropped in a simple config for virtualhost
  1103. # [21:31] <Moo-_-> chinoto: my friend demoed me Nix package manager last week
  1104. # [21:31] <Moo-_-> it should be able to install software stack from the scratch for Win/OSX/Linu
  1105. # [21:31] <Moo-_-> with one command and one configuration file
  1106. # [21:31] <Moo-_-> http://nixos.org/nixpkgs/
  1107. # [21:32] <Moo-_-> so in theory the same "system config" file should work on any OS and it should be just one file you need
  1108. # [21:34] <chinoto> Moo-_-: my dad actually wrote a script for AMP so all he does is download the source archives, extracts them, then runs the script :D
  1109. # [21:34] <chinoto> I only learned that he had done so yesterday
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  1143. # [22:28] <BREMSENU> is <canvas> supposed to replace <img> ? for "validity" ?
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  1154. # [22:41] <Havvy> BREMSENU: <canvas> is used where you need dynamic behavior that an <img> can't provide. If you can do it with an <img>, use an <img>.
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  1203. # [23:58] <anew> what big sites are using html5 right now ?
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