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  50. # [01:09] <Azimi> Anyone know good ways to edit html5,css / jade?
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  53. # [01:09] <Azimi> Dreamweaver like apps exist?
  54. # [01:10] <scottkellum> Azimi: http://www.sublimetext.com/
  55. # [01:11] <Azimi> No gui.. Straight code?
  56. # [01:11] <Azimi> Im not a dev
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  58. # [01:12] <scottkellum> If you want to edit HTML/Jade and CSS you should learn to code.
  59. # [01:13] <scottkellum> A GUI is not going to give you great results. It’s a bit of a learning curve but not too diffucult
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  61. # [01:14] <scottkellum> This is a great resource if you are just starting out: http://www.dontfeartheinternet.com/
  62. # [01:14] <Azimi> How capable are those for effects, ex. Opening boxes and such
  63. # [01:16] <Moo-_-> Azimi: maybe this is what you are looking for http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/
  64. # [01:16] <Moo-_-> Azimi: but unless you don't learn code, you don't learn HTML5
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  67. # [01:16] <Moo-_-> Azimi: there is a slight difference between designing stuff and doing "front-end" (HTML5, CSS, JS)
  68. # [01:17] <scottkellum> You can create some effects with CSS, but JavaScript is really what can do a lot of effects. It is harder to learn, I would start with HTML and CSS.
  69. # [01:18] <Azimi> the twitter bootstrap doesn't seem to have many effects.. so you are not switching from one page to the next
  70. # [01:18] <scottkellum> HTML is for content, CSS is for styling, and JS (JavaScript) is for interaction.
  71. # [01:18] <Azimi> i'm not sure though whether that is 'front-end' or not
  72. # [01:18] <Azimi> scottkellum: i'm thinking ajax style, though i'm not sure how good ajax runs on all devices. ex. smartphones/tablets/desktops
  73. # [01:19] <Moo-_-> Azimi: with CSS and JS you can "design your own effects"
  74. # [01:19] <Moo-_-> Azimi: but first you need to understand how it all wires together
  75. # [01:19] <scottkellum> Azimi: AJAX is just a way to use HTML, CSS, and JS
  76. # [01:20] <Moo-_-> Azimi: at for that you need to learn basics
  77. # [01:20] <Azimi> oic. how could i catch up in a few days? lol
  78. # [01:20] <Moo-_-> Azimi: more like few months
  79. # [01:21] <scottkellum> Azimi: I posted a link above http://www.dontfeartheinternet.com/ — good place to start
  80. # [01:21] <scottkellum> it’s going to take a while to learn more. Like any other language you can’t learn French in a weekend.
  81. # [01:22] <Moo-_-> scottkellum: very nicely worded indeed :)
  82. # [01:22] <Moo-_-> silvuple
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  84. # [01:23] <Azimi> scottkellum: i was just about to check that out
  85. # [01:24] <Azimi> i know it would take a while... thats the unfortunate part
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  87. # [01:25] <scottkellum> Azimi: I know, I am trying to ramp up my JS skills. It’s frustrating trying to run when I can barely walk.
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  89. # [01:27] <Azimi> scottkellum: though it seems with about 1000 i could get it done
  90. # [01:28] <scottkellum> Azimi: Code is fun and useful, you should still learn it :)
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  92. # [01:28] <Azimi> I was never happy with it. I seem to despise coding
  93. # [01:29] <Azimi> But i've left it open ended in the extreme case i must learn it. though i prefer not to lol
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  99. # [01:31] <Moo-_-> Azimi: if you don't have motivation and purpose then just hire external front end developers to do it for you
  100. # [01:31] <Moo-_-> Azimi: there is no point doing something you don't like
  101. # [01:32] <Azimi> Moo-_-: true but i might want to do this too bad
  102. # [01:33] <Moo-_-> Azimi: just recommend you to do the reality check what you want with your life :)
  103. # [01:34] <Azimi> I don't mind learning it to accomplish what i want to do. I just don't have much time to do that. In a sprint if you will
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  106. # [01:38] <Moo-_-> no pain no gain :)
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  109. # [01:41] <Azimi> true
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  111. # [01:41] <Moo-_-> Azimi: here
  112. # [01:41] <Moo-_-> http://daneden.me/animate/
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  118. # [01:44] <Azimi> Moo-_-: best!
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  121. # [01:47] <Moo-_-> Azimi: welcome to the wonderful world of HTML5
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  140. # [02:12] <internaut_jack> CSS pointer-events property
  141. # [02:12] <internaut_jack> Anyone have any specific thoughts on safe to use or not?
  142. # [02:12] <internaut_jack> Seems like blurring the lines of separation of concerns
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  153. # [02:22] <tw2113> i think it's a case of if they work they work, if they don't, default actions occur, internaut_jack
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  163. # [02:35] <internaut_jack> tw2113, Yes, I believe I know how they work, I'm more asking about how practical they are to use.
  164. # [02:36] <tw2113> does it solve a problem you have?
  165. # [02:36] <tw2113> if yes, use them as much as you can, and either allow or try to find a polyfill for browsers that don't support
  166. # [02:36] <tw2113> if it's just because, it's more of a tossup
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  324. # [06:11] <gamax92> Hello, I was wondering if there was something simular to bezierCurveTo, but forceing it to cross points instead of control points
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  362. # [07:25] <Azimi> can you do inline css with jade?
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  366. # [07:26] <Azimi> I kind of got carried away with playing with the css and things, i forgot they apply to other pages too
  367. # [07:26] <Azimi> so i messed everything else up
  368. # [07:26] <Azimi> don't think i'm at the level to figure out the structures of my page just yet.. so i was wondering if i can edit a jade template and use inline css for the modifications i already made
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  518. # [11:07] <vikash> hi Everyone, I have a small question. I am doing quite a bit of front end development but from work/job perspective I am looking forward to prepare for interviews. Can any one please help me on how to prepare for Front End Development profiles. One I know https://github.com/darcyclarke/Front-end-Developer-Interview-Questions
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  651. # [14:11] <ItsMeLenny> does anybody know of any linux program, (can be terminal based), which lets me create a template and then apply the template updates to elements in each pages (such as the navigation bar)?
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  655. # [14:15] <Lethalman> ItsMeLenny, you're looking for a static web page generator?
  656. # [14:15] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, but on my side, so i generate it and upload it, rather than cms
  657. # [14:15] <Moo-_-> ItsMeLenny: Pelican
  658. # [14:16] <ItsMeLenny> (and rather than using javascript like i am)
  659. # [14:16] <Moo-_-> ItsMeLenny: docs.getpelican.com/
  660. # [14:16] <Lethalman> ItsMeLenny, static web page generator
  661. # [14:16] <Lethalman> there're a bunch of, pelican is one
  662. # [14:17] <ItsMeLenny> ah, thanks for the link Moo-_- as i duckduckgo'd it and it didnt turn up :P
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  664. # [14:17] <ItsMeLenny> and thanks for "static web page generator" Lethalman as i had no idea what it was called, and the amount of searches i put in that returned sensless results :P
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  666. # [14:17] <Moo-_-> ItsMeLenny: needs some insight, yes
  667. # [14:18] <Moo-_-> you came to right place to ask
  668. # [14:18] <Lethalman> (or static site generator, whatever)
  669. # [14:18] <Lethalman> I personally used wml, also hakyll is neat
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  671. # [14:19] <ItsMeLenny> ah sweet! i'll start by taking a look at those 3
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  682. # [14:26] <ItsMeLenny> on further inspection i'm not sure if those are quite what i want
  683. # [14:27] <ItsMeLenny> or if theyre more complicated than what i was after
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  776. # [16:03] <root66> has anyone here ever gotten audioContext.createMediaStreamSource(stream) to work?
  777. # [16:04] <root66> I get 0 for my numberOfOutputs, and I already made sure my recording and playback devices in windows match bit/samplerate
  778. # [16:04] <root66> err, numberOfInputs
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  795. # [16:31] <claudio> do you know why the *visibilitychange seems to be fired twice? (FF and WK)
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  918. # [18:33] <gamax92> Hello, i was wondering if there are any drawing shapes for ovals, or if i have to use beizer curves.
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  920. # [18:33] <gamax92> I'd use the curves, but they don't retain the width i give them, they are like 33% off.
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  925. # [18:36] <gamax92> Well, i guess i could just times it by 1 + (1/3)
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  1148. # [21:25] <makbol> Hi
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  1153. # [21:29] <brenelz> best tutorial on learning about HTML5's filesystem API?
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  1159. # [21:31] <Moo-_-> brenelz: http://html5rocks.com has good tutorials
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  1161. # [21:32] <brenelz> thanks… its tough to learn things on your own - best way is to work it into an existing project
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  1177. # [21:36] <aveeeeen> What is UUUP?
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  1306. # [22:38] <JQ_> I need help with daily use workflow. from starting a project to developing and versioning
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  1309. # [22:39] <JQ_> I hope its the right place
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  1312. # [22:39] <JQ_> for any static html5 websites
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  1317. # [22:41] <chatrjr> JQ_: HTML5 Boilerplate is always a good starting point. And you can use the Initializr to choose what you need.
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  1325. # [22:43] <JQ_> @chatrjr: thx mate, yea I use html5 boilerplate. I want to know what toolchains and workflows people use for a better maintained project
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  1332. # [22:44] <LifeSteala> greetings html5'ers
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  1351. # [22:55] <Moo-_-> JQ_: github is popular
  1352. # [22:55] <Moo-_-> JQ_: sublime text with sublimelinter validations (jshint, other)
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  1360. # [22:59] <chatrjr> Sublime Text is incredible. I don't even feel bad about hyping it.
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  1364. # [23:01] <chatrjr> Also, if you're building a lot of static pages, or even just prototyping UIs, I would wholeheartedly recommend Emmet.
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  1371. # [23:02] <chatrjr> It used to be Zen Coding, and it's entirely awesome.
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