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  504. # [06:21] <ItsMeLenny> i've looked through many static site generators and none of them are what I'm really looking for
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  506. # [06:22] <yano> if you enjoy programming you could try creating your own
  507. # [06:22] <ItsMeLenny> I'm looking for something where I can create the template in html, and then create other pages which are the content (in html as well), and then something that runs and mashes them all together
  508. # [06:22] <ItsMeLenny> i dont enjoy programming :P
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  510. # [06:22] <yano> aww :3 but it's a great learning experience :-)
  511. # [06:22] <yano> but back to your question
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  513. # [06:22] <yano> have you looked at Pelican?
  514. # [06:23] <ItsMeLenny> lol, I would if I could be bothered, but im more interested in just creating the site, rather than programming something to create the site
  515. # [06:23] <ItsMeLenny> yeah i looked at pelican
  516. # [06:23] <ItsMeLenny> it was confusing, and i think everything is written in some sort of markup
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  519. # [06:24] <ItsMeLenny> i just want something where i create what every page looks like in one html page, and then the content from each page is injected into that one template
  520. # [06:25] <ItsMeLenny> quite a basic merge thing
  521. # [06:25] <yano> hm, maybe Aspen?
  522. # [06:25] <yano> er wait
  523. # [06:25] <yano> that's more python focused
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  526. # [06:26] <ItsMeLenny> a place where the beer flows like wine
  527. # [06:26] <yano> heh, not that Aspen :-P
  528. # [06:26] <yano> so you do *not* want a framework right? just a static generator right?
  529. # [06:26] <ItsMeLenny> things with these very generic names frustrate me as theyre somewhat difficult to find in search engines
  530. # [06:27] <yano> yea, i only know of pelican and aspen through people i know
  531. # [06:27] <ItsMeLenny> yeah basically i think? barely even a generator, more of an injector
  532. # [06:27] <ItsMeLenny> yeah i had the same problem with pelican, finding its site until someone pointed it to me
  533. # [06:28] <yano> do you have to write the content in HTML?
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  536. # [06:28] <ItsMeLenny> i would like to
  537. # [06:28] <yano> i believe there are markdown -> html and restructured text -> html generators
  538. # [06:28] <yano> but then again, you would need to probably figure out the theming
  539. # [06:28] <yano> hm
  540. # [06:28] <yano> well
  541. # [06:28] <yano> can you use PHP on the server?
  542. # [06:28] <ItsMeLenny> i'd like to just make the template in html, then indicate the div in which everything gets injected into
  543. # [06:29] <ItsMeLenny> i dont think so, and i'd rather not
  544. # [06:29] <yano> ah, i know of a really simple way to do this with PHP
  545. # [06:29] <yano> i do it on my personal website
  546. # [06:29] <ItsMeLenny> what im doing at the moment is using javascript to generate my link bar
  547. # [06:29] <yano> eek
  548. # [06:31] <yano> ItsMeLenny: have you been through most of these on this list? https://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html
  549. # [06:32] <ItsMeLenny> yes, that is the one i went through
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  551. # [06:32] <yano> ah
  552. # [06:32] <ItsMeLenny> they all seem to use not html, like they use -# or something
  553. # [06:33] <yano> huh
  554. # [06:33] <yano> well the generator itself is going to have to be written in a programming language
  555. # [06:33] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, but i just want to basically do a mail merge
  556. # [06:33] <yano> you can't have html magically make html
  557. # [06:33] <ItsMeLenny> lol no i realise that
  558. # [06:33] <yano> a mail merge?
  559. # [06:34] <ItsMeLenny> but i mean they dont write the template in html
  560. # [06:34] <yano> ah
  561. # [06:34] <yano> that's because you can't
  562. # [06:34] <yano> technically, speaking
  563. # [06:34] <ItsMeLenny> the template is written like -#body
  564. # [06:34] <ItsMeLenny> to indicate body
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  566. # [06:34] <yano> because you need to have something that isn't HTML so it knows where to place the content (ie a variable or placeholder)
  567. # [06:34] <yano> huh
  568. # [06:34] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
  569. # [06:34] <yano> you mean CSS?
  570. # [06:35] <ItsMeLenny> no, its not css
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  572. # [06:35] <yano> -#body <-- i'm not sure what you mean by that
  573. # [06:35] <ItsMeLenny> http://staticmatic.rubyforge.org/
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  575. # [06:35] <ItsMeLenny> like that first picture, they all do weird stuff like that
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  577. # [06:36] <yano> yea
  578. # [06:36] <yano> it's a templating language
  579. # [06:36] <yano> you'll need to use a "templating language"
  580. # [06:36] <ItsMeLenny> ah, yeah thats what im trying not to use :P
  581. # [06:37] <yano> because you can't have a placeholder in HTML, unless you use something dynamic to fill it in. like either frames, php, or another language
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  583. # [06:37] <yano> well you could always use frames....
  584. # [06:37] <yano> :-(
  585. # [06:37] <ItsMeLenny> lol, no id rather stick to my javascript
  586. # [06:37] <yano> heh
  587. # [06:37] <ItsMeLenny> frames is technically what i want to do, but have it generated
  588. # [06:37] <ItsMeLenny> if you get what i mean
  589. # [06:37] <yano> yea
  590. # [06:38] <yano> i do... but the problem is if you wrote a script to process it you will need to make up some type of placeholder
  591. # [06:38] <yano> and the moment you do that, it's technically become a templating language
  592. # [06:38] <ItsMeLenny> true
  593. # [06:38] <yano> because you'll have to use something that isn't HTML so the generator recognizes and fills it in with the content
  594. # [06:39] <ItsMeLenny> yeah, but that could just be a simple tag
  595. # [06:39] <yano> for example
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  597. # [06:39] <yano> https://github.com/myano/yanovich.net/blob/master/template.php
  598. # [06:39] <ItsMeLenny> or if the porgram can recognise the div
  599. # [06:39] <yano> that php is doing pretty much what yuo are asking for
  600. # [06:39] <yano> taking HTML and putting it in certain spots
  601. # [06:39] <yano> inside more HTML
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  603. # [06:39] <yano> but sadly, it needs PHP to fill in that stuff
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  605. # [06:39] <ItsMeLenny> thats basically what im doing with javascript
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  607. # [06:40] <yano> yea... see to do it purely with HTML you would need to use frames of some sort. :-\
  608. # [06:41] <yano> unless there is something very new feature in HTML5 that i'm unaware of that allows a frame to be a frame without using a frame
  609. # [06:41] <ItsMeLenny> iframe
  610. # [06:41] <ItsMeLenny> :P
  611. # [06:41] <yano> haha
  612. # [06:41] <yano> clever :-p
  613. # [06:41] <yano> just make it in flash :-P
  614. # [06:41] <ItsMeLenny> yeah but i want to do it offline
  615. # [06:41] <ItsMeLenny> looooool noooo
  616. # [06:41] <yano> lol
  617. # [06:42] <yano> yea, i like making sites that don't require javascript to run
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  619. # [06:42] <ItsMeLenny> i'll stick with my javascript until i can be bothered to program a simple mail merge type program
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  621. # [06:42] <yano> hence why for that one link i moved to using php (so the templating can work without js)
  622. # [06:42] <ItsMeLenny> yeah
  623. # [06:42] <ItsMeLenny> i prefer js over php :P
  624. # [06:42] <yano> i use pelican for my blog, but i've been having trouble with recently. i think it's got a bit bloated
  625. # [06:42] <yano> i know a friend who build there own thing
  626. # [06:42] <yano> let me see how it works real quickly
  627. # [06:43] <ItsMeLenny> oh ok
  628. # [06:43] <squiwrl> I like the idea behind octopress.
  629. # [06:43] <squiwrl> Which is of course based on jeckyll.
  630. # [06:44] <yano> eh, his is really confusing
  631. # [06:44] <yano> https://github.com/paradigm/bedrocklinux-website
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  634. # [06:44] <ItsMeLenny> i had a look at jeckyll before and it looked "too hard"
  635. # [06:45] <ItsMeLenny> yeah that looks confusing as well
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  637. # [06:46] <yano> ooh hm
  638. # [06:46] <squiwrl> Small amount of setup and some terminal work is necessary but it works like a hot damn.
  639. # [06:47] <yano> ItsMeLenny: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webcomponents/template/
  640. # [06:47] <FortuneDays> Question about HTML5 Canvas- when I draw an object outside of the canvas, it doesn't actually draw- but does it take the same resources?
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  645. # [06:49] <ItsMeLenny> lol yano, i'll take a look into that,
  646. # [06:49] <ItsMeLenny> thanks
  647. # [06:50] <ItsMeLenny> thanks for your help, im gonna go because i have a bad cold and about to pass out :P
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  649. # [06:50] <yano> ItsMeLenny: yea, i just discovered that. i've never used it before, but it *might* help
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  651. # [06:50] <yano> ah, just missed them
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  740. # [08:40] <hellyeah> i am trying to do html form i am following tutorial http://www.the-art-of-web.com/html/html5-form-validation/#.UW6lV-CZeis. it is jsfiddle http://jsfiddle.net/ExxXq/. According to site if html box is emptry red warning must be shown when you enter data it shows you red agree button but in jsfiddle i couldnt see that why
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  747. # [08:43] <deam0n> @hellyeah you shoul put <form></form>
  748. # [08:44] <deam0n> should*
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  774. # [08:57] <pats_Toms> a? :)
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  1131. # [13:26] <hasma> wow, people still use iRC ?
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  1136. # [13:26] <Moo-_-> hasma: yes
  1137. # [13:27] <Moo-_-> hasma: https://twitter.com/moo9000/status/287529781409497088
  1138. # [13:27] <b-ot> Moo-_-: @moo9000: #IRC is dying http://t.co/NQw8RZub :( :( :(
  1139. # [13:27] <hasma> well this brings back some melancholia
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  1337. # [15:20] <vitozev> Hello, guys.. I have to create links inside html5 video tag (mp4/ogg containers), i will have json with coordinates and keyframe.. any suggestions for some library that i could use?
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  1341. # [15:22] <lessme> hi there
  1342. # [15:22] <lessme> :D
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  1347. # [15:25] <Moo-_-> vitozev: so you want to quick jump around the video?
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  1349. # [15:26] <tbharath> Does anyone aware of indexedDB?
  1350. # [15:26] <tbharath> I am unable to create more than 50 rows in indexedDB?
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  1354. # [15:27] <vitozev> Moo-_-: yes, i want to inject some links in the video on specific area (frame and coordinates will come from json)
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  1358. # [15:28] <Moo-_-> vitozev: so you want make an area of the video clickable on a specific timepoint?
  1359. # [15:28] <vitozev> yes :)
  1360. # [15:29] <Moo-_-> vitozev: it's pretty specific use case, so I would not bet you find any ready solutions
  1361. # [15:29] <vitozev> I dont want full-working solution, I just want to use someting as base for deployment..
  1362. # [15:30] <Moo-_-> vitozev: http://html5rocks.com :)
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  1364. # [15:31] <Moo-_-> vitozev: there is difference between you want and there exist :(
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  1366. # [15:31] <Moo-_-> vitozev: I would take some subtitle project a a base
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  1368. # [15:31] <Moo-_-> they do both timing and placing something over video
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  1370. # [15:32] <vitozev> Yes, I think also for something like this.. do you have experience with any plugin?
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  1373. # [15:33] <Moo-_-> vitozev: what do you mean plugin?
  1374. # [15:35] <vitozev> i was thinking of jquery plugin, but check this out: http://bubbles.childnodes.com/
  1375. # [15:35] <vitozev> I think this might help me, I will check it's documentation now..
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  1383. # [15:39] <Moo-_-> vitozev: first step towards failure is to think world in the terms of jquery plugins :)
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  1409. # [15:55] <torrento> anybody here?
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  1448. # [16:23] <Moofius> Hey. Is there a good site to see how many % of the browser population can use a certain html5 feature? Something like caniuse.com combined with browser market share?¨
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  1450. # [16:24] <rmill> Moofius: caniuse.com tells you what browsers support what features.
  1451. # [16:25] <rmill> .caniuse json video css-animations
  1452. # [16:25] <b-ot> rmill: You can use JSON parsing, Video element, and CSS3 Animation with: Internet Explorer 10, Firefox 5, Chrome 4, Safari 4, Opera 12, iOS Safari 4.0-4.1, and Opera Mobile 12.1. http://caniuse.com/#search=json, http://caniuse.com/#search=video, http://caniuse.com/#search=css-animation
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  1499. # [16:46] <klueaboal> is this the real life
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  1527. # [17:02] <konamax123> Hello, testing this out. Anybody here?
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  1554. # [17:15] <unijad_> yep, i'm here ^^
  1555. # [17:15] <lawjeremy> Hello konamax
  1556. # [17:15] <konamax123> Cool thank you!
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  1751. # [19:14] <yemilgr> hello every body
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  1759. # [19:17] <[postman]> \leave
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  1761. # [19:17] <[postman]> damn.. rusty irc skills :(
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  1779. # [19:25] <Ontani> I would like to draw the following shape: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79192/shape_paths.png each color should present a path but I would like to make the shape easy to adjust, width, height, radius of the top, offset width, etc... any ideas to start with?
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  1793. # [19:34] <kelabot> hey guys, what html editor are you using for mac?
  1794. # [19:34] <Moo-_-> kelabot: sublime text
  1795. # [19:35] <dahlfors_> textedit
  1796. # [19:35] <kelabot> hi Moo-_-: yup i'm using it. when you try to create tags example <html></html>
  1797. # [19:35] <scottkellum> sublime text
  1798. # [19:36] <kelabot> normally its automatic to create a closing tag, when i press enter, how to auto indent the next line?
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  1964. # [21:37] <Moo-_-> kelabot: please see http://opensourcehacker.com/2012/05/11/sublime-text-2-tips-for-python-and-web-developers/
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  1979. # [21:48] <Andre_designer> http://www.activestate.com/komodo-edit/downloads
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  2023. # [22:15] <hellyeah> anyone here
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  2045. # [22:30] <fronteers> yep
  2046. # [22:31] <hellyeah> do you have firefox, opera and chrome
  2047. # [22:31] <hellyeah> or some of them
  2048. # [22:31] <fronteers> for sure all of them.
  2049. # [22:31] <hellyeah> http://jsfiddle.net/RM2Zr/1/
  2050. # [22:31] <hellyeah> okey
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  2052. # [22:31] <hellyeah> please take time to look at that for all of browsers
  2053. # [22:31] <fronteers> what's your problem, mate?
  2054. # [22:32] <hellyeah> why it is different
  2055. # [22:32] <hellyeah> in opera i saw some picture inside html box
  2056. # [22:32] <hellyeah> in firefox i see green border if you didnt enter any data to html form
  2057. # [22:32] <hellyeah> in opera it is like if you dont enter any data to form. I saw red warning inside box with some message
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  2060. # [22:33] <hellyeah> if you enter data it becomes green warning
  2061. # [22:33] <hellyeah> i am carious why it is different
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  2064. # [22:35] <fronteers> form validations are different across browsers because they are implemented by browser vendors, and they don't allow to get full control of it.
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  2067. # [22:36] <fronteers> styling support is different in browsers for these pseudo selectors.
  2068. # [22:36] <hellyeah> i just wonder
  2069. # [22:36] <hellyeah> it is like i described in you
  2070. # [22:37] <hellyeah> is there a way to change message "this is required field" is the message
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  2072. # [22:37] <fronteers> I don't think so.
  2073. # [22:37] <hellyeah> i want to change it is it possible
  2074. # [22:37] <hellyeah> i got it what you said
  2075. # [22:37] <fronteers> take a look at this mdn article for styling the pseudos.
  2076. # [22:37] <fronteers> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/CSS/:invalid
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  2082. # [22:41] <mbutubuntu> hello folks. It's a day I'm studying stuff about metadata (RDF, dublincore, FB:opengraph...) discovering on wikipedia that it is possible to add RDFa into HTML5 docs.... uuh?! ....
  2083. # [22:42] <hellyeah> thanks for address
  2084. # [22:42] <mbutubuntu> Pasting the code in this page -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDFa#HTML_5_.2B_RDFa_1.1_example
  2085. # [22:42] <mbutubuntu> into the W3C validator produces errors...
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  2087. # [22:43] <mbutubuntu> why wikipedia suggests that snippet of code?
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  2095. # [22:48] <fronteers> because you shouldn't learn your dev stuff at wikipedia, rule no. 1
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  2100. # [22:50] <Moo-_-> mbutubuntu: that's called cargo cult programming
  2101. # [22:50] <hellyeah> what is that
  2102. # [22:50] <Moo-_-> mbutubuntu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming
  2103. # [22:50] <hellyeah> i never heard that
  2104. # [22:50] <hellyeah> :D
  2105. # [22:50] <Moo-_-> copy-pasting around without knowing why
  2106. # [22:50] <hellyeah> ha
  2107. # [22:50] <mbutubuntu> :-D
  2108. # [22:50] <mbutubuntu> ahahahahaha
  2109. # [22:51] <mbutubuntu> ok ok
  2110. # [22:51] <mbutubuntu> but there is a little truth
  2111. # [22:52] <hellyeah> actually you dont need to copy and paste
  2112. # [22:52] <hellyeah> there are a lot sources you can read and type while looking tutorial and you can learn something
  2113. # [22:52] <hellyeah> Moo-_-:
  2114. # [22:52] <hellyeah> do you have chrome
  2115. # [22:52] <mbutubuntu> I didn't know the "prefix" attribute existence before now :-D
  2116. # [22:52] <mbutubuntu> in the <html> I mean
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  2123. # [22:54] <Moo-_-> hellyeah: sorry, I am not interest of your problem
  2124. # [22:54] <hellyeah> sure
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  2130. # [23:01] <mbutubuntu> hey guys, is there any way to declare more than one prefix in the <html> element?
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  2133. # [23:02] <mbutubuntu> I'd like to implement both dc: and og: metadata
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  2137. # [23:02] <mbutubuntu> I've tried using a space <html prefix="dc: .... og: ....">
  2138. # [23:02] <mbutubuntu> and a ","
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  2140. # [23:03] <mbutubuntu> but W3C validator doesn't recognize the second schema in the prefix, the og:
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  2142. # [23:03] <mbutubuntu> do you know any solution to support both dc: and og: ? thanks :-)
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  2148. # [23:08] <mbutubuntu> MY LAST HELP REQUEST WAS VERY STUPID :-)
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  2151. # [23:08] <mbutubuntu> I've solved :-D (it was a stupid malformed HTML)
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The end :)