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  72. # [01:06] <horacsio> hi I need use multiple backgrounds, where the foreground is a PNG with a open area where you see the back image. any orientation on how to do it?
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  107. # [01:19] <horacsio> hi once again: i need to use a background and a foreground, where the foreground has a cut where you can see the background. Can anyone give some orientation?
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  387. # [08:05] <epantzar> 4 hours late response, lol! I had set hide joins and parts to hidden..
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  600. # [13:17] <sunbeam> heyy
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  603. # [13:17] <sunbeam> any designer and/or front-end coders in here?
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  613. # [13:23] <phrearch> hey Moo-_-\
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  616. # [13:24] <Moo-_-> sunbeam: very likely
  617. # [13:25] <Moo-_-> sunbeam: metaquestions are pointless in IRC though. If people don't know what you are going to ask, they don't care :I
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  623. # [13:26] <sunbeam> i need to make some repeating pattern
  624. # [13:26] <sunbeam> out of an image
  625. # [13:26] <sunbeam> a cut paper
  626. # [13:27] <sunbeam> torned
  627. # [13:27] <sunbeam> or however you say it
  628. # [13:27] <phrearch> tiling?
  629. # [13:27] <sunbeam> left to right
  630. # [13:28] <phrearch> sunbeam: how about http://css-tricks.com/understanding-border-image/
  631. # [13:28] <phrearch> if you dont mind that browser which name we dont speak of
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  851. # [16:57] <mulinux> hello, i have question for performance. i have 500 <li> element and each of them has a img tag with the same resource "x.gif". what is better, to use an img-tag (500times) or solve this with css background-image class? which one is cacheable and better for performance.
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  864. # [17:07] <GarethAdams> mulinux: the browser shouldn't make multiple requests for the same URL within a page
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  868. # [17:08] <mulinux> ok
  869. # [17:08] <mulinux> thx
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  879. # [17:11] <GarethAdams> mulinux: see http://jsfiddle.net/GAuHu/ - the img src returns a random URL every time (try reloading a few times) but the browser always uses the same image within a page
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  883. # [17:13] <mulinux> GarethAdams: so the browser is smart enough to cache the image?
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  888. # [17:14] <GarethAdams> certainly existing browsers do that
  889. # [17:14] <GarethAdams> I don't know if the spec *requires* that they do it
  890. # [17:14] <mulinux> ok
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  892. # [17:17] <mulinux> ok with css is like the same thing
  893. # [17:17] <mulinux> http://jsfiddle.net/GAuHu/1/
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  897. # [17:18] <mulinux> what is better for performance (if both using cache), img or css?
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  926. # [17:36] <GarethAdams> mulinux: your decision about whether to use a background image or not shouldn't depend on caching
  927. # [17:36] <GarethAdams> mulinux: the question should be, is this image part of the content of the page, or is it decoration?
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  929. # [17:37] <GarethAdams> mulinux: do you have a list of 500 images, or do you have a list of 500 things that are decorated by images?
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  933. # [17:38] <mulinux> GarethAdams: i have 500 entries and the image inside is for onclick event -> load more content in a container …
  934. # [17:39] <mulinux> GarethAdams: i should care about caching and performance because its a webview based app …
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  936. # [17:39] <GarethAdams> mulinux: that's not what I asked though. what are the entries and what does the image represent?
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  938. # [17:39] <GarethAdams> mulinux: you already know that the browser only makes one request either way. Caching is not an issue, but semantics should be
  939. # [17:39] <mulinux> image is presented as trigger which i can click to load more content …
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  941. # [17:40] <GarethAdams> complete this sentence: "I'm showing the user a list of 500 …"? products? photos? baby names?
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  943. # [17:41] <GarethAdams> I'm trying to work out what you're actually doing, rather than having you be vague :)
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  945. # [17:42] <mulinux> GarethAdams: know i got you, just a moment i send you a pic
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  947. # [17:43] <GarethAdams> is it a hard question to answer using words? :-/
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  950. # [17:43] <mulinux> http://snag.gy/oer0S.jpg
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  952. # [17:44] <mulinux> the image is on the right side
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  955. # [17:45] <GarethAdams> if you made that a background image, what would it be the background image *of*?
  956. # [17:45] <GarethAdams> what element
  957. # [17:45] <mulinux> i think a div
  958. # [17:45] <GarethAdams> why?
  959. # [17:46] <mulinux> but usualy it should be a hyperlink
  960. # [17:46] <mulinux> with onclick event
  961. # [17:47] <GarethAdams> your best bet it to make it a <button> with an <img> inside it
  962. # [17:47] <GarethAdams> with a suitable alt attribute, obviously
  963. # [17:47] <mulinux> ok
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  965. # [17:49] <GarethAdams> <a> is for hyperlinks between pages
  966. # [17:49] <GarethAdams> <div> isn't even an interactive element
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  975. # [17:52] <mulinux> GarethAdams: do you some of this explanations as tutorials / blog or something else?
  976. # [17:52] <mulinux> do you have some …
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  981. # [17:54] <GarethAdams> no, sorry
  982. # [17:55] <GarethAdams> bear in mind you came in asking "is background image better than img for caching?" when your actual question was "what element should I use for marking up a user interface element?" - I'm not either of us knows what kind of tutorial you'd need
  983. # [17:56] <GarethAdams> s/not /not sure /
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