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  50. # [00:42] <David_Bradbury> JimmyXander: Do you have your username registered with nickserv?
  51. # [00:42] <JimmyXander> I should have this one
  52. # [00:43] <David_Bradbury> Have you identified yourself with NickServ?
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  106. # [01:30] <DDIIM> Hello!
  107. # [01:30] <DDIIM> Wanted to share a new programming forum: http://thedevshed.net/forum/forum.php
  108. # [01:30] <DDIIM> feel free to join
  109. # [01:30] <DDIIM> :)
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  119. # [01:37] <levieraf> hi guys
  120. # [01:38] <levieraf> I have a problem working with two div that have 50% and 50% of width
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  122. # [01:39] <levieraf> how parent these have a div
  123. # [01:39] <levieraf> the problem is, the second div, no is on one line
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  125. # [01:40] <levieraf> the second div make like \n
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  129. # [01:43] <tw2113> borders, margin, padding all add to that width, and thus push it over the width of the parent container, thus dropping the 2nd div to a new line
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  279. # [05:22] <ankurk> Hey peeps, is it possible to draw something like this using HTML5? http://imgur.com/ZPpr5QO
  280. # [05:22] <ankurk> or are there any libraries available to draw it?
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  282. # [05:24] <scottkellum> ankurk: its possible, don’t know of any libraries or off had how to do it in a really neat and clean way
  283. # [05:25] <scottkellum> you may be interested in: http://shouldiworkforfree.com/
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  286. # [05:31] <jimmyalcala> ankurk: try this http://diagramo.com/
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  288. # [05:32] <ankurk> I saw this one as well but I want to give user the ability to edit any of the nodes or delete them
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  293. # [05:43] <ankurk> I know using canvas I can do it but how? like how will I join the boxes?
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  304. # [06:04] <okee> Has anyone heard the latest on DRM? Apparently the pro-censorship movement has now moved to the W3C standards committee http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5
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  308. # [06:11] <d3m0n> So many rights going down the toilet
  309. # [06:15] <okee> No kidding.
  310. # [06:16] <okee> But think positive. They just found still another earth planet, and it is only 200 light years away. 1.41 times the amount of radiation, and humid all the way to the north pole.
  311. # [06:17] <okee> You should sign the petition to fight the DRM -->http://www.defectivebydesign.org/no-drm-in-html5
  312. # [06:17] <okee> The censorship artist have been busy indeed!
  313. # [06:18] <okee> CISPA passed the house, and I don't know what the senate did with it on 04-22. O'bama is definitely pro-censorship.
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  476. # [11:52] <gumble> what is the best way to make the semantic tags work in older browsers? or do I really have to code the whole site twice?
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  479. # [11:54] <Moo-_-> gumble: html5 shim
  480. # [11:55] <Moo-_-> gumble: let's be uphonest and we are talking about IE here
  481. # [11:55] <Moo-_-> http://modernizr.com/docs/#html5inie
  482. # [11:56] <gumble> yap as always he's the biggest problem. but does that one also make old versions of other browsers work with semantic stuff?
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  484. # [11:58] <Moo-_-> gumble: can you be more specific
  485. # [11:58] <Moo-_-> which old browser
  486. # [11:58] <Moo-_-> gumble: you need to go really deep back in time to find other old browsers other than IE
  487. # [12:00] <gumble> i mean versions of firefox, chrome and stuff that were released before html5
  488. # [12:00] <gumble> and don't implement the semantic tags
  489. # [12:01] <gumble> article, section and stuff
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  492. # [12:03] <Moo-_-> gumble: firefox, chrome and all others receive automatic updates and cannot be more than six months old
  493. # [12:03] <Moo-_-> IE is the only browser with legacy release cycle
  494. # [12:04] <gumble> Moo-_-, sure they can be e.g. in schools were they don't update browsers
  495. # [12:07] <Moo-_-> gumble: yes
  496. # [12:07] <Moo-_-> gumble: but I suggest you first suggest does it matter for you
  497. # [12:07] <Moo-_-> http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/12/06/comparing-chrome-and-firefox-automated-updates-study/
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  499. # [12:07] <Moo-_-> note: that's 2011 diagram
  500. # [12:07] <Moo-_-> gumble: here
  501. # [12:07] <Moo-_-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox
  502. # [12:07] <Moo-_-> check Market Share Overview
  503. # [12:07] <gumble> thanks
  504. # [12:08] <gumble> I'll read through it
  505. # [12:08] <Moo-_-> gumble: based on numerical data, I suggest you take a rational choice what browsers to support
  506. # [12:08] <Moo-_-> Please note that all FF version since 3.5 have supported HTML5 tags
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  508. # [12:10] <gumble> yes maybe thats a good idea
  509. # [12:11] <gumble> is there a better website for browser stastics then http://gs.statcounter.com? I have in mind that a few years back there was another site which I liked more
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  528. # [12:24] <Moo-_-> gumble: I suggest just use Wikipedia browser pages
  529. # [12:24] <Moo-_-> they have good stats
  530. # [12:24] <Moo-_-> gumble: unless you are looking something specific
  531. # [12:25] <gumble> just can't find out atm how I get http://gs.statcounter.com to show me only one browsers market share (the versions of the browser), as they do in the article where firefox and chrome are compared
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  534. # [12:26] <Moo-_-> gumble: probably with money
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  536. # [12:26] <gumble> hmm damn
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  558. # [12:46] <Lucas_> is there any good visual html5 editor?
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  560. # [12:46] <Lucas_> any html5 editor made in html5?
  561. # [12:46] <Lucas_> online
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  564. # [12:49] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: Adobe Edge
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  567. # [12:50] <Lucas_> Moo-_-, that's not built in html5, is it?
  568. # [12:50] <Lucas_> and i'm talking about online ones
  569. # [12:50] <Lucas_> but thanks, i've seen it and it's great!
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  572. # [12:53] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: ah
  573. # [12:53] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: on visual side I am not sure if you have any good
  574. # [12:54] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: most are code editors
  575. # [12:54] <Moo-_-> or integrated web site builders
  576. # [12:54] <Moo-_-> there is nothing between to replace DreamWeaverish stuff
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  578. # [12:54] <Lucas_> right
  579. # [12:54] <Lucas_> i was thinking of making a simple one
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  582. # [12:55] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: I think the tendency is to force designers to learn the basics of HTML
  583. # [12:55] <Moo-_-> http://www.dontfeartheinternet.com/
  584. # [12:56] <Lucas_> hah
  585. # [12:56] <Lucas_> well, designers are not coders
  586. # [12:56] <Lucas_> they don't even want to
  587. # [12:56] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: I am not designer, but I still can use Photoshop :P
  588. # [12:56] <Lucas_> and... some websites don't need any real html
  589. # [12:56] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: Wordpress is filling in that niche
  590. # [12:56] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: if you don't want to touch HTML
  591. # [12:56] <Lucas_> oh and i was thinking of making a photoshop script that would output a WYSIWYG website
  592. # [12:56] <Lucas_> but in html5 and css3, etc
  593. # [12:57] <Lucas_> Moo-_-, yes but wordpress is not nice for designers
  594. # [12:57] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: I see your ambitions make Steve Jobs nuts look small (¬_¬)
  595. # [12:57] <Lucas_> you can't do WYSIWYG
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  597. # [12:57] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: ok, but if you decide to create your editor
  598. # [12:57] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: it might sense to tie it to some framework like Bootstrap or Foundation
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  600. # [12:58] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: because I don't want to see designers building their own components, markup and such
  601. # [12:58] <Lucas_> maybe
  602. # [12:58] <Lucas_> hmm
  603. # [12:58] <Lucas_> idk what those bootstrap or foundation frameworks offer exactly
  604. # [12:58] <Lucas_> is it like a GUI?
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  612. # [13:10] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: they offer "opininated" default typography styles and components
  613. # [13:10] <Moo-_-> combination of CSS and Javascript where the latter is usually optional
  614. # [13:11] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: I suggest you start checking http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/
  615. # [13:11] <Moo-_-> Lucas_: you get a theme skeleton which you can vary with rebuilding LESS files
  616. # [13:11] <Moo-_-> http://bootswatch.com/
  617. # [13:11] <Moo-_-> and it is platform agnostic
  618. # [13:11] <Moo-_-> unlike, e.g. Wordpress themes which are for Wordpress
  619. # [13:11] <Lucas_> right
  620. # [13:12] <Lucas_> well, that sounds great
  621. # [13:12] <Lucas_> but i will try to make everything editable in my visual editor
  622. # [13:12] <Lucas_> like fonts and stuff
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  760. # [16:24] <pibu> hello ... sorry there is a way to secure an offline application?
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  790. # [17:09] <luochun> test
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  821. # [17:48] <AusME> I'm trying to find a gui editor which isn't unique to any code framework. Just to help me nail down the general of an interface I want to design by hand. It seems all wysiwyg are tied to a framework. I'd really just like to design the concept. Any idea what I should google for?
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  826. # [18:03] <Moo-_-> AusME: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mockup+wireframe
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  880. # [19:27] <kirua> hi
  881. # [19:28] <kirua> I'm looking for a good tutorial to learn, any link ?
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  889. # [19:40] <uf0work> hey guys got a quick question
  890. # [19:41] <uf0work> what's the best way to detect for a mobile/tablet device
  891. # [19:41] <uf0work> basically what I'm trying to do is load a certain script tag
  892. # [19:41] <uf0work> for desktop
  893. # [19:41] <uf0work> and then when it's mobile.. show the other script tag
  894. # [19:41] <uf0work> that's it..
  895. # [19:42] <pats_Toms> uf0work, you should check user agent
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  898. # [19:43] <uf0work> pats_Toms: so basically something like this https://github.com/serbanghita/Mobile-Detect/wiki ?
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  900. # [19:43] <pats_Toms> uf0work, you want to do that on backend or frontent?
  901. # [19:43] <pats_Toms> *frontend
  902. # [19:44] <uf0work> not sure what you mean.. i just want the best way
  903. # [19:44] <uf0work> basically
  904. # [19:44] <uf0work> if desktop load <script type="text/javascript" >desktop</script>
  905. # [19:44] <uf0work> if mobile/tablet load <script type="text/javascript" >mobile/tablet</script>
  906. # [19:44] <uf0work> in the html
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  913. # [19:45] <uf0work> what would be the difference... between doing it frontend or backend
  914. # [19:46] <uf0work> front-end.. i would be doing it in JS file i imagine?
  915. # [19:46] <uf0work> back-end would be PHP
  916. # [19:46] <uf0work> i don't mind either way... i just want a way to load certain script depending on mobile or desktop
  917. # [19:47] <jkl555> try modernizr
  918. # [19:47] <jkl555> are you familier with it?
  919. # [19:47] <uf0work> nope
  920. # [19:47] <uf0work> googling...
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  922. # [19:47] <jkl555> modernizr is a javascript file, that can detect features the user agent supports (device support)
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  924. # [19:48] <jkl555> so you can use it to detect touch devices
  925. # [19:48] <uf0work> jkl555: here's what i want though..
  926. # [19:48] <jkl555> shoot
  927. # [19:48] <uf0work> basically i have a certain ad tag for desktop device
  928. # [19:48] <uf0work> and a certain ad tag for mobile
  929. # [19:49] <uf0work> this ad tag is something like this <script type="text/javascript" >ad tag for desktop</script>
  930. # [19:49] <uf0work> <script type="text/javascript" >ad tag for mobile</script>
  931. # [19:49] <uf0work> with modernizr
  932. # [19:49] <uf0work> can I do some sort of if statement
  933. # [19:49] <uf0work> that says
  934. # [19:49] <uf0work> load this tag and if mobile load the other tag?
  935. # [19:49] <jkl555> Modernizr.load({
  936. # [19:49] <jkl555> test: Modernizr.geolocation,
  937. # [19:49] <jkl555> yep : 'geo.js',
  938. # [19:49] <jkl555> nope: 'geo-polyfill.js'
  939. # [19:49] <jkl555> });
  940. # [19:50] <jkl555> ---
  941. # [19:50] <jkl555> or more specifically for your needs:
  942. # [19:50] <jkl555> if (Modernizr.touch){
  943. # [19:50] <jkl555> } else {
  944. # [19:50] <jkl555> }
  945. # [19:50] <uf0work> hmmm...
  946. # [19:50] <jkl555> what?
  947. # [19:51] <jkl555> what is the problem?
  948. # [19:51] <uf0work> no problem.. i'm just kinda slow.. trying to understand
  949. # [19:51] <uf0work> which part i'm using here
  950. # [19:51] <jkl555> no problem at all
  951. # [19:51] <jkl555> just trying to help
  952. # [19:51] <jkl555> well, first you load the modernizr script in the <head> tag
  953. # [19:51] <uf0work> yea sure.. just trying to understand the code you put there
  954. # [19:52] <uf0work> alright i got that
  955. # [19:52] <jkl555> you can use Modernizr.load to load resources per condition
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  958. # [19:52] <jkl555> so you can put all of your mobile ads on one file
  959. # [19:53] <jkl555> and the desktop script on a different file
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  961. # [19:53] <uf0work> ok..
  962. # [19:53] <uf0work> so far make sense..
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  964. # [19:53] <kirua> yo
  965. # [19:53] <kirua> i'm looking for an html5 tutorial
  966. # [19:53] <kirua> plz help
  967. # [19:53] <jkl555> Modernizr.load({
  968. # [19:53] <jkl555> test: Modernizr.touch
  969. # [19:53] <jkl555> yep : 'mobile-ads.js'
  970. # [19:53] <jkl555> nope: 'desktop-ads.js'
  971. # [19:53] <jkl555> });
  972. # [19:54] <jkl555> this script will condionally load other scripts based on a simple feature detection test
  973. # [19:54] <jkl555> if your device supports touch ('yep') it'll load the file mobile-ads.js
  974. # [19:54] <jkl555> otherwise it'll resort to desktop-ads.js
  975. # [19:55] <uf0work> ooooh
  976. # [19:55] <jkl555> as a side note:
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  978. # [19:56] <jkl555> loading external files on mobile devices (a.k.a. making an http-request) will make things a big slower
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  981. # [19:56] <jkl555> on mobile devices.. requesting and loading an external file takes longer than simple doing an if/then inline
  982. # [19:57] <jkl555> I don't want to make things more confusing
  983. # [19:57] <uf0work> in other words.. if/then inline is a better to go in terms of performance
  984. # [19:57] <uf0work> ?
  985. # [19:57] <jkl555> yes
  986. # [19:57] <jkl555> since it doesnt need to request an external file
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  988. # [19:57] <jkl555> and make http-requests (dns resolving etc..)
  989. # [19:57] <jkl555> the file was already downloaded..
  990. # [19:57] <uf0work> which in that case i would resort to user-agent detection is what I'm assuming you'
  991. # [19:57] <uf0work> you're saying...
  992. # [19:58] <uf0work> right?
  993. # [19:58] <jkl555> you dont need to
  994. # [19:58] <uf0work> oh i don't?
  995. # [19:58] <jkl555> you can make the same Modernizr test
  996. # [19:58] <jkl555> inline
  997. # [19:58] <uf0work> oooh
  998. # [19:58] <jkl555> Not sure how to do that, let me check that for you
  999. # [19:59] <jkl555> if (Modernizr.touch){
  1000. # [19:59] <jkl555> } else {
  1001. # [19:59] <jkl555> }
  1002. # [19:59] <jkl555> you can try this after modernizr is loaded
  1003. # [20:00] <jkl555> and place your mobile scripts within the curly braces
  1004. # [20:00] <uf0work> ok that make sense but what if the script is given to me like this
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  1006. # [20:01] <uf0work> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://syndication.example.com/ads.php?type=300x50"></script>
  1007. # [20:01] <uf0work> how would I put that in the curly brace
  1008. # [20:01] <uf0work> ?
  1009. # [20:02] <jkl555> ha
  1010. # [20:02] <jkl555> sec (phone)
  1011. # [20:02] <uf0work> sure
  1012. # [20:03] <jkl555> not sure about the syntax
  1013. # [20:03] <jkl555> but I would use the first example
  1014. # [20:03] <jkl555> since it depends on server requests already
  1015. # [20:03] <jkl555> maybe just pasting the urls will work
  1016. # [20:04] <kirua> jkl555>where can i learn html5 ?
  1017. # [20:04] <uf0work> alright
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  1019. # [20:05] <uf0work> i'm gonna give these a try and see what happens
  1020. # [20:05] <uf0work> appreciate the help
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  1022. # [20:06] <jkl555> no problem mate goodluck
  1023. # [20:06] <jkl555> kirua one moment checking something nice for ya
  1024. # [20:06] <jkl555> http://fortuito.us/diveintohtml5/
  1025. # [20:06] <jkl555> this is awesome for beginners
  1026. # [20:06] <jkl555> not a tutorial per-se
  1027. # [20:06] <jkl555> but great info and accessible for beginners
  1028. # [20:07] <kirua> ok, thx :)
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The end :)