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  66. # [02:02] <dekiss> why I should use new semantic section elements and not divs?
  67. # [02:04] <tantek> because you like more typing?
  68. # [02:04] <tantek> ;)
  69. # [02:05] <tantek> it's ok if you just use divs
  70. # [02:05] <tantek> if it's not immediately clear why to use a <section> element, then best not to
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  72. # [02:07] <dekiss> :)
  73. # [02:07] <dekiss> well
  74. # [02:07] <dekiss> I dont understand semnatic elements
  75. # [02:07] <dekiss> if it s easier for me to make webpage with divs
  76. # [02:07] <dekiss> wat will this change
  77. # [02:08] <dekiss> if i use divs or semantic elements what is the difference
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  517. # [13:35] <sharpshooter> hi, I created a web app it have a feature to watch the uploaded videos (mp4 ext). I tested on chrome it is working on it, but in firefox 21.0 stable its showing an error 'No video with supported format and MIME type found' how can I add firefox support to this feature I'm using video.js as player
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  525. # [13:50] <patstoms> sharpshooter, maybe check js console for some errors
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  528. # [13:51] <sharpshooter> patstoms: checking
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  530. # [13:53] <sharpshooter> patstoms: this is the err: Specified "type" attribute of "video/mp4; codecs="avc1.42E01E, mp4a.40.2"" is not supported.
  531. # [13:53] <sharpshooter> patstoms: the firefox only suppots webem ext ?
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  533. # [13:54] <patstoms> sharpshooter, you can check here http://html5test.com/compare/browser/index.html
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  536. # [13:55] <patstoms> firefox 21 donĀ“t have mpeg-4 support
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  542. # [13:57] <sharpshooter> patstoms: so it mean I cant play mp4 video in firefox ?
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  545. # [13:58] <patstoms> sharpshooter, yes
  546. # [13:58] <patstoms> sharpshooter, with html5 video
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  548. # [13:59] <sharpshooter> patstoms: you mentioned html5 video, so is there any alternative way to do it ?
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  550. # [14:00] <patstoms> sharpshooter, fallback with flash
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  583. # [14:54] <jn> just released a javascript gif encoder library
  584. # [14:55] <jn> https://github.com/jnordberg/gif.js
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  593. # [15:01] <jn> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5737397
  594. # [15:01] <jn> please upvote :)
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  635. # [15:54] <goleif> Hello! I'm trying to learn WebSockets, but it's actually not very easy to find concrete answers to simple questions. So here we go:
  636. # [15:55] <goleif> Is a handshake needed for every request that is sent from the client, or is only one necessary?
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  638. # [15:55] <goleif> I just need to establish the connection, then I'll be fine...
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  666. # [16:28] <Xymon> oi
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  668. # [16:30] <oliveiraev> eae
  669. # [16:31] <patstoms> asd
  670. # [16:32] <Xymon> gif
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  678. # [16:33] <oliveiraev> pdf
  679. # [16:34] <Xymon> ogg
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  681. # [16:34] <bgresham> mp3
  682. # [16:34] <Xymon> wav
  683. # [16:34] <bgresham> rar
  684. # [16:34] <Xymon> zip
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  686. # [16:36] <patstoms> 7zip
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  688. # [16:36] <Xymon> 7z?
  689. # [16:36] <Xymon> dll.
  690. # [16:36] <patstoms> so
  691. # [16:36] <bgresham> .html
  692. # [16:36] <patstoms> xml
  693. # [16:36] <Xymon> .xml
  694. # [16:36] <Xymon> damnit!
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  696. # [16:36] <Xymon> .json
  697. # [16:36] <patstoms> haha
  698. # [16:36] <bgresham> psd
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  700. # [16:37] <Xymon> .xcf
  701. # [16:37] <Xymon> ^ lulz
  702. # [16:37] <Xymon> but yea, .xcf
  703. # [16:37] <patstoms> bpm
  704. # [16:37] <Xymon> X"D
  705. # [16:37] <Xymon> WUT
  706. # [16:37] <b-ot> Xymon: when ever click the side bar link that time selected link ill be highlighted????????
  707. # [16:37] <patstoms> bmp
  708. # [16:37] <Xymon> I uh... i'm not sure what you're asking?
  709. # [16:37] <Xymon> WUT
  710. # [16:37] <b-ot> Xymon: Ok, best is to wait and see, where is the wind direction showing.
  711. # [16:37] <Xymon> hm.
  712. # [16:37] <Xymon> WUT
  713. # [16:37] <b-ot> Xymon: If your line length is hurt because of nesting Then that is because your doing it wrong.
  714. # [16:37] <Xymon> what a... useless creation...
  715. # [16:38] <Xymon> anyway............. .xrns
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  726. # [16:48] <Tripanarium> It makes a few days that I'm trying to learn HTML5 but there's something that I don't understand: Is there anyway to provide same header to multiple pages? But in a way that if I edit the main header, then all the others change too? Something like an include statement or import?
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  729. # [16:48] <Tripanarium> Without scripts!
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  733. # [16:51] <dahlfors_> that would be a php include or such
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  735. # [16:53] <Tripanarium> dahlfors_: no way to do it with html5 and css only? Sorry if is a noob question!
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  739. # [16:55] <Tripanarium> It's the first time I try to learn html language, but in programming languages that would be copy past all the need lybraries to my program instead importing them!
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  741. # [16:55] <Xymon> i uh....
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  743. # [16:56] <Xymon> Anyone here coding any html5 games?
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  745. # [16:56] <Xymon> Prefereably 2d
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  749. # [16:59] <dahlfors_> html5 is a document markup language, not a programming language
  750. # [17:00] <dahlfors_> if you'd want to include something like that, use php or some other server-side language
  751. # [17:00] <dahlfors_> could build it by javascript as well, if you'd want to
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  755. # [17:01] <dahlfors_> but in general these things are built with serverside languages
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  763. # [17:07] <Tripanarium> dahlfors_: thx for the definition! Think it was a noobish question...
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  796. # [17:33] <bendman> hey, is it possible to *force* something to pass by a copy rather than a shared object without using web workers? I have some code that only works with web workers right now and I think it's because it's forcing a deep copy to be made, rather than a reference to the same object.
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  947. # [20:05] <Trae32566-NE> quick question
  948. # [20:05] <Trae32566-NE> anyone ever looked at creating a server-side enforcement of HTML5 form validation?
  949. # [20:06] <Trae32566-NE> I know, weird question, but I was just curious
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  951. # [20:07] <Xymon> Be more specific... i don't quite understand what you're asking.
  952. # [20:07] <Trae32566-NE> seems like server-side validation is one of the biggest problems a lot of places face, and if there was an easy way to implement it so that by implementing it client side (HTML5 form validation) you implement it server side (could easily be done server side via PHP when initially parsing the file)
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  954. # [20:09] <Trae32566-NE> in a nutshell, say you set maxlength=500 on some input tag. The thing parsing the file before the server sends it to the client would see that, and take note of it. That could later be used when receiving the form from the client to validate what was sent server side, basically killing two birds with one stone
  955. # [20:11] <dahlfors_> client-side validation is just for guiding the user while entering stuff into the form
  956. # [20:11] <dahlfors_> there should always be server-side validation
  957. # [20:12] <dahlfors_> otherwise the forms will be a security issue
  958. # [20:13] <Trae32566-NE> well yeah, but my question is not whether I should implement it..it's more, is there a way to implement both client and server side validation in one shot
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  960. # [20:16] <dahlfors_> yes. you can easily write out variables from php or the likes to a js variable
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  962. # [20:17] <Trae32566-NE> my next question would be is there a way to do it based simply on HTML tags (IE: Maxlength, required, type, etc)
  963. # [20:17] <Trae32566-NE> *attributes, not tags
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  968. # [20:19] <Trae32566-NE> in my thinking, it wouldn't be hard when you consider that if used together, those tags could mitigate a lot of potential security issues if there was some way to validate them server-side.
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  970. # [20:21] <dahlfors_> uh
  971. # [20:21] <dahlfors_> the html part does not have any part at all with the security
  972. # [20:21] <dahlfors_> that is only about serverside
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  974. # [20:22] <Trae32566-NE> I know this, my point was something else. never mind, lol
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  1042. # [21:51] <bgresham> goleif: I believe it needs to be sent separately, so you will need to connect before you send any messages
  1043. # [21:52] <goleif> bgresham: How sure are you of this?
  1044. # [21:55] <bgresham> i'm not aware of anyway to accept messages when you are in the CONNECTING state
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  1047. # [21:56] <goleif> bgresham: Sorry if it's a stupid question, but do you include headers/handshake key/accept in messages too, or just during the connect?
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  1051. # [21:58] <bgresham> Just during the connection, after that the connection behaves like normal UDP. Also, no worries about it being a stupid or not stupid question. If it helps you understand a concept better than it is good enough for me
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  1053. # [22:00] <goleif> bgresham: Thanks, it's kind of an abstract subject to me, and English not being my first language doesn't make it easier to find the basic info
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  1055. # [22:01] <goleif> bgresham: So when I then send a message, I only send that, base64 encoded? No headers, no anything before or after?
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  1058. # [22:03] <bgresham> goleif: Not a problem, When I first started playing with web sockets I had some of the same questions as you. You just need the Origin header and that base64 encoded message
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  1062. # [22:03] <goleif> bgresham: And two line-breaks between them?
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  1065. # [22:06] <goleif> bgresham: And, last question, I think: Is the origin just "http://domain.com" or "http://domain.com/path/to/port-listener/"?
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  1086. # [22:25] <Moo^_^> goleif: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same_origin_policy
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  1091. # [22:27] <goleif> Moo^_^: Thank you!
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  1093. # [22:28] <Moo^_^> goleif: np
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  1149. # [23:35] <Goleif> Is the browser able to receive several messages in the row from the server, without closing any socket in between?
  1150. # [23:35] <Goleif> in a* row
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