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  36. # [01:05] <dekiss> is it dangerious to use new html5 elements? for security
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  150. # [05:04] <aliljet> hey -- I was wondering how I could have an SVG file default to a particular view?
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  212. # [08:07] <appleseed> Hey guys, I am experimenting with html5 getUserMedia, and have been able to get a live feed of the webcam onto a browser using it. However, I can't figure out how to mirror the cam feed (flip it horizontally)
  213. # [08:07] <appleseed> I feel it should be simple; but can't figure it out
  214. # [08:07] <appleseed> this is what I have at the moment: http://pastebin.com/HMFBnK0V
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  225. # [08:28] <appleseed> figured it out with css
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  301. # [10:50] <sunbeam> what do you guys think is the best framework, 960gs, bootstrap, foundation or any other?
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  306. # [10:54] <moo-_-> sunbeam: there is no point asking "best" question
  307. # [10:54] <moo-_-> sunbeam: you need to ask "I want to have a product which solves X, Y and Z". Are the options A, B or C a good fit?
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  309. # [10:54] <moo-_-> s/product/problem
  310. # [10:54] <sunbeam> moo-_-: ok
  311. # [10:54] <sunbeam> but, in essence, don't they achieve the same?
  312. # [10:55] <sunbeam> moo-_-: which do you use when you need to code a PSD to HTML
  313. # [10:55] <moo-_-> sunbeam: neither
  314. # [10:55] <sunbeam> so you don't use any framework at all
  315. # [10:56] <moo-_-> sunbeam: I wouldn't involve myself in such project, as the organization already lacks modern web development best practices if the assignment is "code PSD to HTML"
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  317. # [10:56] <moo-_-> sunbeam: I would tell the artist to go to learn Bootstrap layout and then come to back with a new layout which fits its responsive design paradigm
  318. # [10:57] <sunbeam> so you refuse 99% of the designs you get offered
  319. # [10:57] <sunbeam> and only the ones you like?
  320. # [10:57] <sunbeam> I don't get it
  321. # [10:57] <moo-_-> sunbeam: yes
  322. # [10:58] <sunbeam> i mean what use does that have
  323. # [10:59] <moo-_-> sunbeam: it means that when the layout is based on the framework there will be 10x less issues with implementing the design in HTML and need for cross-browser testing
  324. # [10:59] <moo-_-> sunbeam: which means it is 5x more cost effective
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  326. # [11:00] <moo-_-> but usually it is a life-cycle cost
  327. # [11:00] <moo-_-> designers do not need to care about the implications of the implementation cost
  328. # [11:00] <moo-_-> so they will throw whatever shit on you they get out from their photoshop pen
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  330. # [11:00] <moo-_-> which, in he end, translates to shitty websites
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  333. # [11:02] <sunbeam> moo-_-: correct, completely agree
  334. # [11:02] <sunbeam> but the fact is, many designers don't follow proper practices
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  337. # [11:06] <moo-_-> sunbeam: yes
  338. # [11:06] <moo-_-> sunbeam: so the answer is that either those designers need to learn to about the best practices or I don't work with them
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  341. # [11:09] <sunbeam> so you would only use bootstrap?
  342. # [11:09] <sunbeam> most of the time
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  344. # [11:10] <moo-_-> sunbeam: Bootsrap is a good default unless you know any reasons to choose an alternative
  345. # [11:12] <sunbeam> moo-_-: wait can i show you a design and ask you what you would use?
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  351. # [11:15] <Patabugen> Does anyone know of an offline tool which works in Windows that I can use to validate my site, preferably against many things but specifically HTML5?
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  355. # [11:18] <moo-_-> Patabugen: W3C HTML5 validator is open source, but no idea how to get it run on Windows
  356. # [11:18] <sunbeam> moo-_-: its ok?
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