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- # [03:00] <paul_irish> uf0work: use the color settings in the top right of the styles.
- # [03:00] <paul_irish> i bet you have it set to Hex?
- # [03:00] <paul_irish> change it to HSl
- # [03:01] <paul_irish> i dont think the color picker had a default favorite
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- # [05:35] <uf0work> paul_irish: I've always used HSL for inspecting... my css styles are in in HEX format
- # [05:36] <uf0work> paul_irish: I"ve never had an issue using it
- # [05:36] <uf0work> paul_irish: I think a recent chrome update is affecting
- # [05:36] <uf0work> I did click on color settings
- # [05:36] <uf0work> set it to HSL
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- # [05:36] <uf0work> and it looks like HSL
- # [05:36] <uf0work> but once I click on it, BOOM it changes back to HEX
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- # [05:37] <uf0work> word
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- # [05:38] <uf0work> paul_irish: try it yourself.. say you have your styles authored in HEX .. then click on Color Settings and select 'HSL Colors'.. and it will nicely change to HSL
- # [05:39] <uf0work> paul_irish: then try to adjust the HSL color and watch it suddenly change to HEX when u try to change it
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- # [05:50] <paul_irish> uf0work: you in chrome 27?
- # [05:51] <uf0work> yup
- # [05:51] <uf0work> never happened before.. i even tried canary
- # [05:51] <uf0work> same result.
- # [05:52] <uf0work> so it musta been a recent update...
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- # [05:52] <uf0work> paul_irish: weird
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- # [06:06] <enerel> hi guys
- # [06:06] <enerel> Stray start tag br validation
- # [06:06] <enerel> both <br> and <br/> produce same markup error
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- # [07:32] <enerel> do you guys know how to fix: A numeric character reference expanded to carriage return.
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- # [15:10] <jmmy> Ok so if you put class="no-js" in you html element and you add the modernizr script in you head, then it will replace "no-js" with "js and other features"
- # [15:10] <jmmy> Is jquery required?
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- # [15:23] <fabioportieri> isn't modernizr a jquery plugin?
- # [15:23] <moo-_-> fabioportieri: no
- # [15:23] <moo-_-> jmmy: no
- # [15:24] <moo-_-> pure Javascript
- # [15:24] <jmmy> moo-_-, thx
- # [15:24] <fabioportieri> oh i see
- # [15:24] <moo-_-> life is not jquery
- # [15:26] <jmmy> moo-_-, yep, so if I put <html class="no-js"> and include modernizr script in the head, it will replace <html class="js ..."> but it doesn't for me
- # [15:26] <fabioportieri> but jquery is life
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- # [15:27] <jmmy> I am getting error modernizr is not defined
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- # [15:32] <fabioportieri> paste code
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- # [15:33] <moo-_-> jmmy: try with jsfiddle.net
- # [15:34] <moo-_-> build an isolated example where others can help you online
- # [15:34] <jmmy> moo-_-, ok 1 min
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- # [17:02] <SrPx> Can someone give me an idea of the status of HTML5 mob apps? Are they viable, usable? If someone tells me he makes mobile apps, then he says he uses HTML5 for that... can I trust his apps will be as good as native?
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- # [17:16] <moo-_-> SrPx: yes
- # [17:16] <moo-_-> SrPx: you can trust it as much as random person's advice in IRC
- # [17:17] <moo-_-> SrPx: HTML5 apps are better than native apps for many use cases
- # [17:17] <moo-_-> SrPx: to know whether they are good or not for your use case, I suggest you discuss with the developer
- # [17:17] <moo-_-> if you cannot have open convesation then you have a matter of trust in your hands and random advices in IRC do not help in that
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- # [17:18] <SrPx> moo-_-: sir
- # [17:18] <SrPx> moo-_-: I am the dude thinking if I can say to other people wheter I can or can't make HTML5 apps...
- # [17:18] <moo-_-> SrPx: good
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- # [17:19] <SrPx> as I can make satisfactory web apps. I'm just wondering if all I have to do to produce good web apps is to scale down the page to fit the screen
- # [17:19] <SrPx> which would be the expected, if it ran smooth
- # [17:19] <moo-_-> SrPx: now that's a better question
- # [17:19] <moo-_-> which can have a solid answer :)
- # [17:19] <SrPx> so that's my question: how is the state of js engines on web devices? are they good enough?
- # [17:19] <SrPx> thanks.
- # [17:19] <moo-_-> SrPx: ha
- # [17:20] <moo-_-> half of the app store runs on WebView
- # [17:20] <moo-_-> it depends what you are doing
- # [17:20] <moo-_-> surely and hopefully not games
- # [17:20] <moo-_-> or any other real-time media
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- # [17:21] <moo-_-> SrPx: and in the other news Android 2.3.x is the new IE6
- # [17:22] <moo-_-> SrPx: so pick carefully promises about portability etc.
- # [17:22] <moo-_-> SrPx: but generally, if you have a "news reader" style app there is nothing preventing doing it in HTML5
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- # [17:24] <moo-_-> SrPx: also
- # [17:24] <moo-_-> if the app design comes from somewhere else
- # [17:24] <moo-_-> and you are not in the control
- # [17:24] <SrPx> ohh!
- # [17:24] <SrPx> that's good to hear, thanks
- # [17:24] <moo-_-> you can forgot doing it in HTML5, as the external designer probably has no idea about HTML5 or how it relates to native controls and so on
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- # [17:24] <SrPx> not sure what you mean with that
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- # [17:25] <SrPx> but I guess I can't use native functions with HTML5, right? writing files, GPS and so on
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- # [17:26] <moo-_-> SrPx: check http://caniuse.com
- # [17:26] <SrPx> But that's confusing, some people use Chrome on android, but I guess that's not the same chrome, right?
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- # [17:27] <moo-_-> SrPx: the engine is the same, but some features are platform specific
- # [17:27] <moo-_-> like video and audio
- # [17:27] <moo-_-> it renders the HTML same
- # [17:27] <moo-_-> but that's about it
- # [17:28] <moo-_-> also native apps do not embed Chrome, but WebView
- # [17:28] <moo-_-> which is (old) WebKit
- # [17:28] <moo-_-> and if you go to android 2.x (50% market share)
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- # [17:28] <moo-_-> that's old as your grandma
- # [17:28] <SrPx> Oh, starting to make sense
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- # [17:29] <SrPx> so, using that site, I would have to look the "android browser 2.1" row pretty much?
- # [17:29] <moo-_-> SrPx: yes
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- # [17:29] <SrPx> englightening, thanks.
- # [17:30] <jmmy> cookies are depreciated, Web Storage
- # [17:30] <moo-_-> SrPx: np
- # [17:30] <moo-_-> SrPx: embedding webview generally has issues and I would not recommend it for anything else but "browse pages" style use cases
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- # [17:31] <SrPx> so, just a last question: I develop an HTML5 app normally, test on my own browser,... then how I convert it to the HTML5 app, with icon, market and all?
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- # [17:31] <moo-_-> SrPx: ok the first thing you do wrong is that you test in your browser, because that's a way to bang your head to a wall, because the mobile browser will be different
- # [17:32] <moo-_-> SrPx: frameworks doing native application wrapping are usually called "wrappers"
- # [17:32] <moo-_-> most popular are phonegap, appcelerator and sencha touch native packaging and so on
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- # [17:35] <malorie> hi all. can I have a canvas with an image in it, and another one I'm copying the contents of the first one to, while applying transformations?
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- # [17:36] <SrPx> moo-_-: cool, thanks for the names! I'll do some research now
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- # [17:52] <daslicht> Hi,
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- # [17:53] <daslicht> I like to maintain compatibility to older browsers,
- # [17:53] <daslicht> i have read that i coudl use html5shiv for this
- # [17:53] <daslicht> but I also found that it is sufficient to just use modernizr
- # [17:53] <paul_irish> for html5 elements, it'll hook you up ya
- # [17:53] <jmmy> daslicht, I just did the modernizr intro
- # [17:53] <jmmy> so cool
- # [17:53] <paul_irish> modernizr includes html5shiv
- # [17:54] <daslicht> ahh ok solved :D
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- # [17:54] <jmmy> http://alistapart.com/article/taking-advantage-of-html5-and-css3-with-modernizr
- # [17:54] <daslicht> thank you paul :D
- # [17:54] <daslicht> aye
- # [17:54] <daslicht> reading...
- # [17:54] <daslicht> so when i use h5bp i am on teh save side of life ?
- # [17:55] <jmmy> what the kinda questions...?
- # [17:55] <daslicht> thank you jmmy
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- # [17:56] <daslicht> never mind, i just thought loud
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- # [18:08] <jmmy> daslicht, you're welcome
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- # [18:09] <daslicht> reading the article you've suggested, interesting
- # [18:09] <jmmy> did you finish yet, let me know if you get stuck, I can move you along, cause I just did it a few mins ago
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- # [18:10] <daslicht> i am right now at fontface
- # [18:10] <jmmy> daslicht, if you are looking for a quick start. You should check out twitter bootstrap. It includes modernizr, just like modernizr include html5hiv
- # [18:10] <daslicht> "I’m removing the shadow when the browser decides to render the custom font. "
- # [18:11] <daslicht> what happens when the browser decided to render the custom font
- # [18:11] <jmmy> nothing, it renders it
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- # [18:11] <daslicht> ok
- # [18:11] <daslicht> yeah i know bootstrap
- # [18:12] <daslicht> already used it for some backend things
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- # [18:12] <jmmy> backend, bootstrap is front end
- # [18:12] <daslicht> I recently got a frontend job , so now i like to create something great compatible and good indexable by google
- # [18:13] <daslicht> it was far a backend i have codded in symnfony
- # [18:13] <daslicht> a cms backend
- # [18:13] <jmmy> you can style @fontface with class fontface, and style the case without @fontface with class no-fontface
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- # [18:13] <jmmy> Cause the fonts size won't line up for both cases
- # [18:14] <daslicht> ok i need to have a deeper look inside teh usage of those no classes
- # [18:14] <daslicht> ahh ok i see
- # [18:15] <jmmy> in the case of @fontface. When you have the font, you need to set the font-size, and for the case of no @fontface, that same size usually doesn't look right, too big or too small, so you just make your adjustment
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- # [18:15] <daslicht> so i basically have to add both classes to my target element
- # [18:15] <jmmy> daslicht, no, you do it in your css
- # [18:16] <daslicht> ok
- # [18:16] <daslicht> let me have a look at the examples html
- # [18:17] <jmmy> say you have an h1 element with id="mySpecialTitle". THen you style it twice, once .no-fontface #myspecialTitle and once .fontface #myspecialTItle. THe .fontface style or .no-fontface style will be added to the html element by modernizr
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- # [18:18] <daslicht> ahh
- # [18:18] <daslicht> so incase the browser supports .borderradius
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- # [18:18] <jmmy> do inspect element to see what you got
- # [18:18] <daslicht> it will be added to teh <html tag
- # [18:19] <daslicht> and thjererfore i can access #content like .borderradius #content
- # [18:19] <daslicht> yeah
- # [18:19] <jmmy> yeah all the features are added to the <html> element. You start with <html class="no-js"> and modernizr will replace <html class="js fontface(or no-fontface) borderradius...
- # [18:19] <daslicht> cool approach
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- # [18:21] <jmmy> daslicht, you should tell your backend guys about Web Storage. Even ie8 supports it. Its gonna end a lot of backend coding
- # [18:21] <daslicht> i finished that stuff
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- # [18:21] <daslicht> and i am not really interested in doing any symfony stuff in near future :D
- # [18:21] <daslicht> Hav eyou tried Meteor ?
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- # [18:22] <daslicht> much more interesting :D
- # [18:22] <jmmy> Never heard of it
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- # [18:22] <jmmy> daslicht, looks cool thx
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- # [18:23] <daslicht> I love JavaScript
- # [18:23] <daslicht> I love reactive Programing <3
- # [18:24] <jmmy> frig man...I'd prefer to code in jquery
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- # [18:25] <daslicht> its also js
- # [18:26] <daslicht> i also love jQuery
- # [18:26] <daslicht> :D
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- # [18:27] <daslicht> how do you do browser test ? open the page in a VM ? with IE7 uhh
- # [18:27] <daslicht> ?
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- # [18:28] <jmmy> yeah, I use VirtualBox, so I have win xp and ie 8 and win 8 and ie9
- # [18:28] <daslicht> last time i tried it , i had some issues accessing the vbox via the network :/
- # [18:29] <daslicht> but i try it soon again
- # [18:29] <jmmy> network, I installed it locally
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- # [18:30] <jmmy> virtualbox-ose
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- # [18:36] <daslicht> yeah i also installed it locally , but i had issues connecting to it from my host os
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- # [18:37] <jmmy> daslicht, you have to add your cd image so that you can boot it.
- # [18:37] <daslicht> ok i try it again :)
- # [18:37] <jmmy> you can add it first, or during install
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- # [18:38] <jmmy> once pain is that I can't access my local system, so if I make a site locally, I move it to the internet to test it through the virtual os
- # [18:38] <daslicht> that is exactly what i meant
- # [18:38] <daslicht> :D
- # [18:39] <jmmy> Its not easy to access it, and probably better not too.
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- # [18:41] <daslicht> just found : http://ecsstender.org
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- # [18:42] <jmmy> cool
- # [18:42] <jmmy> so many technologies
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- # [18:43] <daslicht> funny name tho
- # [18:44] <jmmy> You hears of lesscss.org
- # [18:45] <daslicht> yeah
- # [18:45] <daslicht> i recently used sass and stylus
- # [18:45] <daslicht> but no less yet
- # [18:45] <daslicht> hehe
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- # [18:47] <jmmy> its included in bootstrap. Foundation is comparable to bootstrap. bootstrap uses less and foundation uses sass
- # [18:48] <daslicht> ok
- # [18:48] <daslicht> meteor also have less included
- # [18:48] <daslicht> it even compiles the files
- # [18:49] <jmmy> i usually use templates
- # [18:49] <daslicht> good practice
- # [18:50] <daslicht> heh
- # [18:50] <jmmy> its too hard to design
- # [18:50] <daslicht> i bet
- # [18:50] <daslicht> i have no template at the moment
- # [18:51] <daslicht> to much stuff going on here until today
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- # [18:51] <jmmy> I bought 4 responsive templates $22
- # [18:51] <daslicht> i just finished my MSc DigitalMedia studies and since 01.03 I am freelancing and trying to find out where I am home
- # [18:52] <jmmy> Masters Science, wow
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- # [18:52] <daslicht> first freelance job was that Symfony stuff but it was so boring
- # [18:52] <daslicht> heh
- # [18:52] <daslicht> I need something fresh
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- # [18:53] <daslicht> but until today I havent really found any more attractive jobs
- # [18:55] <jmmy> what was your bachelor's?
- # [18:55] <daslicht> Digital Media either
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- # [18:56] <daslicht> If I tell people here in Germany that I have studied DigitalMedia NOONE know what it actually is about :D
- # [18:56] <daslicht> when strating to study even the highschool profs didn know actually what is it about hehe
- # [18:56] <jmmy> wierd...the name is obvious
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- # [18:57] <daslicht> they recently canceled the complete branch and renamed it digital media production
- # [18:57] <daslicht> what is you association with teh name Digital Media ?
- # [18:57] <daslicht> this would be very interesting for me
- # [18:57] <jmmy> mostly websites
- # [18:58] <daslicht> cool
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- # [18:58] <jmmy> also animations
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- # [18:58] <daslicht> yeah exactly
- # [18:59] <daslicht> I also concentrated on music
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- # [18:59] <daslicht> beside being interested in new technlogies I am a musician
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- # [19:01] <daslicht> I have so many interesting things on my todo list
- # [19:01] <jmmy> Me I'm interested in Web Design, Chess, TV Sitcoms, Religous speaches
- # [19:01] <daslicht> it would be lovely if I could to it for my living either
- # [19:02] <daslicht> Thats me : https://soundcloud.com/ansolas
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- # [19:02] <daslicht> AnSolas is my artist name
- # [19:02] <daslicht> it mea
- # [19:02] <jmmy> I just added to Religous speaches this last week. Youtube. I also luv watching Documentaries and shows like that. But reality television bored me.
- # [19:02] <daslicht> it means The Light in english and Das Licht in German :D
- # [19:03] <jmmy> ooooh yeah, nice songs
- # [19:03] <daslicht> :D
- # [19:03] <jmmy> my site www.itsource.pw
- # [19:03] <daslicht> on my todo list is to first built a homepage for AnSolas using Meteor (practice)
- # [19:04] <daslicht> and create a Instant Music Download store for Spiritual-Healing-Records (our label)
- # [19:04] <daslicht> nice
- # [19:05] <daslicht> my site so far : http://marcwensauer.de
- # [19:05] <daslicht> I am recreating it in near future
- # [19:05] <jmmy> oooh man. I love the clouds. Well done
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- # [19:06] <jmmy> what server side javascript you talking about?
- # [19:06] <jmmy> meteor?
- # [19:06] <daslicht> yeah
- # [19:06] <jmmy> you know about node.js?
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- # [19:06] <daslicht> yeah
- # [19:07] <jmmy> of course
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- # [19:07] <daslicht> meteor is built ontop of it
- # [19:07] <daslicht> and meteor comes with a built in MongoDB
- # [19:07] <daslicht> and it is reactive with live html updates
- # [19:08] <jmmy> whats betreff?
- # [19:09] <daslicht> topic :)
- # [19:09] <daslicht> multilingual page is on my todolist hehe
- # [19:09] <jmmy> Opps, that didn't work, please try again. (Send Failed)
- # [19:10] <daslicht> brb
- # [19:10] <daslicht> phone...
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- # [19:17] <daslicht> ok back
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- # [19:18] <daslicht> hm , email is sending here
- # [19:19] <jmmy> you got it?
- # [19:20] <daslicht> hm i just sent an email
- # [19:20] <daslicht> i got no error
- # [19:20] <daslicht> hmm
- # [19:21] <jmmy> at the top? it said Opps, that didn't work, please try again. (Send Failed)
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- # [19:22] <daslicht> strange
- # [19:22] <daslicht> which browser
- # [19:22] <jmmy> chrome
- # [19:23] <daslicht> currently i just use gpeasy as backend
- # [19:23] <daslicht> maybe its email function is buggy :D
- # [19:23] <daslicht> soon i will have a custom email logic
- # [19:23] <jmmy> I just use mail()
- # [19:24] <daslicht> http://78.47.126.11/dev/responsive/mw/
- # [19:24] <daslicht> :D
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- # [19:25] <jmmy> nginx eh?
- # [19:25] <jmmy> apache2
- # [19:25] <daslicht> so you use bootstrap ?
- # [19:25] <jmmy> yep
- # [19:25] <daslicht> yeah its nginx
- # [19:25] <daslicht> my intention is to use it as reverse proxy for my node apps
- # [19:25] <daslicht> :D
- # [19:25] <jmmy> I bought webserver vps with dedicated ip for only $11/year and SSL cert for only $11/year
- # [19:26] <daslicht> that very cheap
- # [19:26] <jmmy> Yeah, SSL certs have gotten cheap. But the VPS, there is only one company that is that cheap. SecureDragon
- # [19:26] <daslicht> you have full root access ?
- # [19:26] <jmmy> Everyone else is about $200
- # [19:27] <jmmy> daslicht, yep, Debian
- # [19:27] <daslicht> cool
- # [19:27] <daslicht> i pay 7,99 Euro / Month !
- # [19:28] <jmmy> Yeah, Linode is about $250/yr and that is the standard price around here. But I found this SecureDragon, and I was skeptical. But that's his price
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- # [19:28] <daslicht> very nice
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- # [19:28] <daslicht> http://serverdragon.com/openvz.php\
- # [19:28] <daslicht> ?
- # [19:28] <daslicht> those/
- # [19:28] <daslicht> ?
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- # [19:29] <jmmy> yep
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- # [19:30] <jmmy> you see it, 10.99/ye
- # [19:30] <daslicht> ok i see, it has 32 MB Ram
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- # [19:30] <daslicht> ad 2GB HDD
- # [19:30] <daslicht> thats teh catch :D
- # [19:30] <jmmy> it wierd, cause I asked for extra ip and they told me $22/yr, but I could just get another server for $11/year
- # [19:30] <daslicht> hehe
- # [19:31] <jmmy> yeah, but I am just hosting a site. and my site loads fast.
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- # [19:31] <jmmy> Did you see the site. www.itsource.pw How does it load over there. The server is in Florida or something, and I am in Canada, but it loads fast here.
- # [19:33] <daslicht> yeah
- # [19:33] <daslicht> great thing
- # [19:34] <jmmy> loads fast in Germany too?
- # [19:34] <daslicht> jip
- # [19:34] <daslicht> < 1 sec
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- # [19:35] <daslicht> :)
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- # [19:36] <jmmy> what do you jip?
- # [19:37] <daslicht> yep jip yes jo
- # [19:37] <daslicht> :D
- # [19:37] <daslicht> agree
- # [19:37] <jmmy> what do you mean jip and jo?
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- # [19:38] <daslicht> I just agreed
- # [19:38] <daslicht> I also could have written yes or aye heh
- # [19:38] <jmmy> what does jip and jo mean?
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- # [19:38] <daslicht> no special meaning
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- # [19:39] <jmmy> jip means rip off?
- # [19:39] <daslicht> no
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- # [19:39] <daslicht> i just used it as something liek nope but positive
- # [19:39] <daslicht> like
- # [19:39] <daslicht> I apologize for the confusion
- # [19:40] <jmmy> its ok
- # [19:40] <daslicht> :)
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- # [19:41] <daslicht> ok i am going to eat something na dbe back in a while
- # [19:41] <jmmy> ttyl
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- # [21:33] <jkirch> are you doing it semantically?
- # [21:33] <sopben> It makes sense to me
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- # [21:35] <sopben> I decided not to. went with div :/
- # [21:35] <sopben> I crumbled. :)
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