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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jun 15 12:50:02 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  4. # [12:50] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.info http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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  74. # [15:15] <dekiss> src="" is valid value?
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  76. # [15:16] <dekiss> I guess not
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  91. # [15:51] <beshoo> How can i bevel an image corner "Not DIV" , CSS3 without any java lib.!
  92. # [15:52] <beshoo> this should work on web kit mobile app
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  94. # [15:56] <boogyman> beshoo: border-radius
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  96. # [15:57] <beshoo> Nop , it will give you rounded border , i am looking for some thing like http://dawsonmediadesign.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/beveled_corners.jpg
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  98. # [15:59] <martin__> Hey
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  120. # [16:32] <EwokFartPorn> I can't believe there was two trolls in here talking about how #html has a purpose.
  121. # [16:32] <EwokFartPorn> Sometimes you just have to slap your knee.
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  124. # [16:34] <GarethAdams> really? you're still going on about that?
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  126. # [16:34] <EwokFartPorn> Here he is.
  127. # [16:34] <EwokFartPorn> One of them.
  128. # [16:34] <GarethAdams> it kind of makes *this* channel useless if every conversation is about how bad another channel is
  129. # [16:34] * EwokFartPorn points!
  130. # [16:34] <GarethAdams> ;)
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  132. # [16:34] <GarethAdams> love you
  133. # [16:35] <EwokFartPorn> You can stop replying.
  134. # [16:35] <EwokFartPorn> Food for thought.
  135. # [16:35] <GarethAdams> can we just kiss and make up?
  136. # [16:35] <EwokFartPorn> Not until I understand.
  137. # [16:35] <EwokFartPorn> I need logic!
  138. # [16:35] <GarethAdams> we should have this conversation in #html5isdifferenttohtml
  139. # [16:36] <EwokFartPorn> It is?
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  141. # [16:37] <EwokFartPorn> or #htmlisuselessnowthatthereishtml5
  142. # [16:37] <GarethAdams> either is good. wait for me in there
  143. # [16:37] <EwokFartPorn> Nah, you wait for me.
  144. # [16:37] <GarethAdams> so long as we both realise that this channel isn't the place to have the discussion
  145. # [16:38] <EwokFartPorn> Sure it is.
  146. # [16:38] <EwokFartPorn> It deals with the language.
  147. # [16:38] <GarethAdams> and we're not talking about the language
  148. # [16:38] <GarethAdams> we're talking about IRC channels
  149. # [16:38] <EwokFartPorn> Oh.
  150. # [16:38] <EwokFartPorn> Where do we do that?
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  152. # [16:38] <GarethAdams> you suggested #htmlisuselessnowthatthereishtml5
  153. # [16:39] <EwokFartPorn> Ok.
  154. # [16:39] <EwokFartPorn> Not a lot of dialog when you're the only one in there.
  155. # [16:39] <GarethAdams> I'll head in there as soon as I care about this discussion
  156. # [16:40] <EwokFartPorn> Again, you don't have to reply.
  157. # [16:40] <EwokFartPorn> You have plenty to say in your useless chat room.
  158. # [16:40] <GarethAdams> well if I don't no one else will, by the look of it
  159. # [16:40] <GarethAdams> and then who would stroke your e-peen for you?
  160. # [16:40] <EwokFartPorn> Okie Dokie.
  161. # [16:40] <EwokFartPorn> What's that?
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  164. # [16:42] <EwokFartPorn> Have fun with your deprecated shit.
  165. # [16:44] <GarethAdams> have fun complaining about it
  166. # [16:44] <EwokFartPorn> Oh, he had a comeback.
  167. # [16:44] <EwokFartPorn> And keeps replying.
  168. # [16:44] <EwokFartPorn> Shocker.
  169. # [16:46] <GarethAdams> if it's that important for you to have the last word, fine, just say so
  170. # [16:46] <EwokFartPorn> ^
  171. # [16:46] <GarethAdams> Oh, he had a comeback
  172. # [16:46] <GarethAdams> And keeps replying
  173. # [16:46] <EwokFartPorn> ^
  174. # [16:46] <boogyman> both of you should stop trolling
  175. # [16:46] <GarethAdams> ;)
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  178. # [16:47] <EwokFartPorn> See, I have proof now.
  179. # [16:47] <EwokFartPorn> lol
  180. # [16:47] <GarethAdams> I think I'm *being* trolled, but hey I'm bored
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  182. # [16:47] <EwokFartPorn> Howso?
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  184. # [16:48] <GarethAdams> by someone who complains that I keep replying, but can't stop replying himself
  185. # [16:48] <EwokFartPorn> Oh.
  186. # [16:49] <EwokFartPorn> Can't we all just get along?
  187. # [16:50] <GarethAdams> and also by someone who keeps bringing up the same issue every few hours
  188. # [16:50] <GarethAdams> even if no one replies
  189. # [16:50] <EwokFartPorn> Can't we all just get along?
  190. # [16:51] <GarethAdams> it's difficult to get along when someone calls you useless, with a dumbass ego
  191. # [16:51] <EwokFartPorn> Please go troll in #html
  192. # [16:51] <GarethAdams> s/when/with someone who/
  193. # [16:51] <EwokFartPorn> I'm asking if I can get along with you.
  194. # [16:52] <GarethAdams> if you stop calling me useless, with a dumbass ego, it could happen
  195. # [16:52] <EwokFartPorn> I'm not calling you useless.
  196. # [16:52] <EwokFartPorn> I called a chat room useless.
  197. # [16:52] <EwokFartPorn> Sigh.
  198. # [16:52] <EwokFartPorn> Stop man.
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  234. # [18:06] <Johnny-> I'm back and here to contribute
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  244. # [18:36] <EwokFartPorn> Johnny-: Wrong chat room.
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  284. # [20:04] <Johnny-> EwokFartPorn: for what?
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  294. # [20:31] <EwokFartPorn> Johnny-: For whatever you're talking about.
  295. # [20:31] <Johnny-> you seem confused
  296. # [20:31] <EwokFartPorn> I am.
  297. # [20:32] <EwokFartPorn> Not sure what you're saying.
  298. # [20:32] <EwokFartPorn> Carry on.
  299. # [20:32] <Johnny-> there there
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  301. # [20:34] <EwokFartPorn> where?
  302. # [20:35] <Johnny-> sshhhh
  303. # [20:36] <EwokFartPorn> Nah, I can type.
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  307. # [20:39] <EwokFartPorn> Johnny- I heard there was a pointless chat going on? Johnny- I'm back and here to contribute
  308. # [20:39] <EwokFartPorn> Didn't you say that?
  309. # [20:39] <EwokFartPorn> Or am I mistaken?
  310. # [20:39] <Johnny-> I did say that
  311. # [20:39] <EwokFartPorn> Oh.
  312. # [20:39] <EwokFartPorn> I'm not confused then.
  313. # [20:39] <EwokFartPorn> Thanks.
  314. # [20:39] <Johnny-> nice
  315. # [20:39] <EwokFartPorn> Nice?
  316. # [20:40] <EwokFartPorn> So you like talking about pointless chats?
  317. # [20:41] <Johnny-> This could get recursive
  318. # [20:41] <EwokFartPorn> Guess so.
  319. # [20:41] <EwokFartPorn> lol
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  321. # [20:42] <EwokFartPorn> It could get deprecated.
  322. # [20:42] <EwokFartPorn> Hint, hint.
  323. # [20:43] <Johnny-> I need a better hint
  324. # [20:43] <EwokFartPorn> You would.
  325. # [20:43] <Johnny-> what do you mean?
  326. # [20:43] <EwokFartPorn> You confused?
  327. # [20:43] <Johnny-> I sure am
  328. # [20:44] <EwokFartPorn> kk
  329. # [20:44] <Johnny-> I don't know what the "it" is you're referring to
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  331. # [20:44] <EwokFartPorn> Who knows?
  332. # [20:44] <EwokFartPorn> *shrugs*
  333. # [20:45] <b-ot> EwokFartPorn: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  334. # [20:45] <Johnny-> okey dokey
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  336. # [20:45] <EwokFartPorn> mokey wokey!
  337. # [20:46] <Johnny-> sure.
  338. # [20:46] <EwokFartPorn> right
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  340. # [20:48] <EwokFartPorn> I just wish people would stop using deprecated stuff.
  341. # [20:49] <EwokFartPorn> That's all.
  342. # [20:49] <Johnny-> like what?
  343. # [20:49] <EwokFartPorn> deprecated stuff
  344. # [20:49] <Johnny-> give me an example
  345. # [20:50] <EwokFartPorn> old software
  346. # [20:50] <Johnny-> that's a category
  347. # [20:50] <EwokFartPorn> That's what I mean.
  348. # [20:50] <Johnny-> surely you have a specific example you're frustrated about
  349. # [20:51] <EwokFartPorn> Not really, just general
  350. # [20:52] <Johnny-> some people don't like change and are happy with what they've got
  351. # [20:52] <GarethAdams> he wishes people would stop using deprecated stuff, but he can't find anyone using deprecated stuff
  352. # [20:52] <EwokFartPorn> Those are evolutionist.
  353. # [20:52] <EwokFartPorn> Let me tell you.
  354. # [20:52] <EwokFartPorn> The philosophy of technology is change.
  355. # [20:52] <EwokFartPorn> Sorry to warn ya.
  356. # [20:52] <Johnny-> you don't need to warn me, I don't think I use deprecated stuff
  357. # [20:53] <EwokFartPorn> Then don't worry.
  358. # [20:53] <GarethAdams> but all of those zero people that he found, he's really angry at all of none of them
  359. # [20:53] <Johnny-> although my phone is pretty ancient
  360. # [20:53] <EwokFartPorn> lol
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  362. # [20:53] <EwokFartPorn> GarethAdams: Are you talking to someone?
  363. # [20:53] <Johnny-> how are you GarethAdams?
  364. # [20:53] <GarethAdams> EwokFartPorn: I don't think I started my last two sentences with a name, no
  365. # [20:54] <EwokFartPorn> Gotcha.
  366. # [20:54] <GarethAdams> Johnny-: I'm just so glad this channel exists right now. It's so useful
  367. # [20:54] <EwokFartPorn> Indeed.
  368. # [20:54] <Johnny-> actually, I think my phone is now soon to be officially deprecated (iPhone 3GS)
  369. # [20:54] <EwokFartPorn> Better than a pointless one.
  370. # [20:54] <Johnny-> so there you go, you hate me
  371. # [20:55] <EwokFartPorn> Mine is too.
  372. # [20:55] <EwokFartPorn> Don't fret my friend.
  373. # [20:55] <Johnny-> you are self loathing :O
  374. # [20:55] <GarethAdams> Johnny-: not at all. He just wishes he could get a different phone
  375. # [20:55] <EwokFartPorn> ^
  376. # [20:55] <EwokFartPorn> Since that is the philosophy of technoloogy.
  377. # [20:55] <EwokFartPorn> Change.
  378. # [20:55] <Johnny-> What's stopping you?
  379. # [20:56] <EwokFartPorn> There are things that paralyze it though.
  380. # [20:56] <EwokFartPorn> Like money.
  381. # [20:56] <Johnny-> do you have a job?
  382. # [20:56] <EwokFartPorn> I wish.
  383. # [20:56] <GarethAdams> Johnny-: you realise he was lying earlier?
  384. # [20:56] <Johnny-> GarethAdams: about what?
  385. # [20:56] <EwokFartPorn> Ah, this is going to be good.
  386. # [20:57] * EwokFartPorn eats popcorn
  387. # [20:57] <GarethAdams> [Johnny-] surely you have a specific example you're frustrated about [EwokFartPorn] Not really, just general
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  389. # [20:57] <EwokFartPorn> Lying about?
  390. # [20:57] <GarethAdams> when actually he *is* annoyed about old phones
  391. # [20:57] <GarethAdams> that's pretty specific
  392. # [20:57] <Johnny-> bingo
  393. # [20:57] <EwokFartPorn> I have an iPhone 3GS
  394. # [20:57] <EwokFartPorn> Not sure how that compares.
  395. # [20:57] <EwokFartPorn> But sure.
  396. # [20:58] <EwokFartPorn> Better than the first one.
  397. # [20:58] <Johnny-> 3GS won't be supported past iOS 6. That's deprecated
  398. # [20:58] <EwokFartPorn> As the philosophy of technology goes.
  399. # [20:58] <EwokFartPorn> Again.
  400. # [20:58] <EwokFartPorn> Exactly.
  401. # [20:58] <GarethAdams> I don't know why EwokFartPorn uses deprecated stuff
  402. # [20:58] <GarethAdams> I wish he wouldn't
  403. # [20:58] <EwokFartPorn> I think the same about other people.
  404. # [20:58] <Johnny-> :]
  405. # [20:59] <EwokFartPorn> Oh, well. To each to their own.
  406. # [20:59] <Johnny-> This has been a great chat about HTML5, gotta run! Later guys
  407. # [20:59] <GarethAdams> iOS 6 is useless
  408. # [20:59] <EwokFartPorn> Exactly.
  409. # [20:59] <EwokFartPorn> Talk about HTML5./
  410. # [20:59] <EwokFartPorn> Something useful.
  411. # [21:00] <EwokFartPorn> Embrace the change.
  412. # [21:00] <EwokFartPorn> lol
  413. # [21:02] <str8> holly crap canvas is cool
  414. # [21:03] <str8> sprite sheets too
  415. # [21:03] <str8> WTF
  416. # [21:03] <EwokFartPorn> Yeah, the new shit man.
  417. # [21:03] <EwokFartPorn> Welcome to the world of useful.
  418. # [21:03] <str8> yeah
  419. # [21:03] <str8> bye flash
  420. # [21:03] <EwokFartPorn> Indeed.
  421. # [21:03] <str8> even works on my phone with no mods
  422. # [21:03] <EwokFartPorn> Mobile-friendly.
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  424. # [21:04] <str8> I wrote a silly game in it
  425. # [21:04] <str8> then realized there are sprite sheets
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  427. # [21:04] <str8> server load almost 0 now
  428. # [21:04] <EwokFartPorn> Yeah, better on the server.
  429. # [21:04] <EwokFartPorn> Sweet.
  430. # [21:05] <EwokFartPorn> You can tween like a machine.
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  434. # [21:12] <EwokFartPorn> As long as you come to the right chatroom and not one that mimics it.
  435. # [21:12] <EwokFartPorn> You'll be good.
  436. # [21:13] <EwokFartPorn> So you're in the right place.
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  439. # [21:15] <EwokFartPorn> GarethAdams: Isn't that right?
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  442. # [21:24] <str8> anyone good with websocks?
  443. # [21:24] <str8> anyway to not use soc-sec?
  444. # [21:27] <str8> anyone read the RFC?
  445. # [21:27] <str8> there is ws:// and wss://
  446. # [21:28] <str8> all the tutorials show using the key on ws:// and explain how it keeps getting changed
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  448. # [21:29] <patsToms> wss is for secure connection
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  450. # [21:29] <str8> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6455.txt
  451. # [21:30] <str8> should ws:// use Sec-WebSocket-Key: in the header?
  452. # [21:31] <butblack> Why are the 3 and 4 not beside the 1 and 2? http://jsfiddle.net/LmFhB/
  453. # [21:31] <butblack> [3:29pm]
  454. # [21:32] <str8> they are below it like the code shows
  455. # [21:32] <str8> </td></tr> = row
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  460. # [21:35] <butblack> str8: could you please explain how i would put them side by side? form my understanding, td will create a horizontal cell in a table
  461. # [21:35] <butblack> from*
  462. # [21:36] <str8> <table><tr><td>1<td>2<td>3<td>4</td></tr></table>
  463. # [21:37] <butblack> str8: not quite, i would like 1 vertically aligned with 2 and beside that 3 vertically aligned with 4
  464. # [21:37] <butblack> str8: you did display the effect that td has, I'm curious why that doesn't hold the same effect when you have child rows in a td
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  466. # [21:38] <str8> <table><tr><td>1<td>4</td></tr><tr><td>2<td>4</td></tr></table>
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  469. # [21:39] <str8> why use tables?
  470. # [21:39] <butblack> str8: what is a better option?
  471. # [21:39] <butblack> inline blocks?
  472. # [21:39] <butblack> i tried that too
  473. # [21:39] <butblack> that worked.. i was thinking tables might be more efficient
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  475. # [21:40] <str8> <span>?
  476. # [21:40] <butblack> str8: again, you are showing two rows there, i would like to have 2 vertical table columns
  477. # [21:40] <butblack> not 2 rows in the table
  478. # [21:40] <butblack> well… there are two rows in each column
  479. # [21:41] <butblack> so it would be a table with 2 columns with 2 rows each
  480. # [21:41] <butblack> not the other way of a table with 2 rows and two columns in each
  481. # [21:42] <butblack> grammatically that sounds like that same thing but it isn't when you apply css to it
  482. # [21:42] <butblack> that reads* as the same thing
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  484. # [21:43] <gareth> butblack: unfortunately tables in HTML are based around rows
  485. # [21:43] <str8> use divs or spans
  486. # [21:43] <gareth> butblack: it shouldn't matter if your tables are based around data though
  487. # [21:44] <str8> that was 2 columns and 2 rows?
  488. # [21:45] <butblack> yeah… so i have http://jsfiddle.net/gTJJC/2/ and it should look like this.. http://jsfiddle.net/hnrWD/2/
  489. # [21:45] <butblack> my point of contention here is that it's rows first and then columns, not the other way around
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  492. # [21:46] <gareth> that's HTML tables for you
  493. # [21:46] <butblack> i would like it to have a table with one row, each row has two columns, each column has two rows in it
  494. # [21:46] <str8> which is what i sent you
  495. # [21:46] <str8> lol
  496. # [21:46] <butblack> str8: no.. show me hten
  497. # [21:46] <butblack> str8: it should look like, but the code is not correct
  498. # [21:47] <str8> <table><tr><td>column 1 row 1</td><td>column 2 row 1</td></tr><tr><td>column 1 row 2</td><td>column 2 row 2</td></tr></table>
  499. # [21:47] <str8> lol
  500. # [21:48] <butblack> str8: that is incorrect… you are again going row and then adding another row below
  501. # [21:48] <butblack> not going column by column and adding two rows into each column
  502. # [21:49] <butblack> as I'm asking for
  503. # [21:49] <butblack> if it's not possible as gareth says I'm ok with that too
  504. # [21:49] <str8> so you want it to look like that but not like that
  505. # [21:49] <butblack> str8: no the looks are fine.
  506. # [21:50] <butblack> str8: don't be condescending, particularly when you aren't reading
  507. # [21:50] <str8> you just want to insert a whole column at once
  508. # [21:50] <str8> excuse me
  509. # [21:50] <butblack> str8: yes, i would like to have 2 columns first, then two rows in each column
  510. # [21:50] <gareth> it sounds like you're trying to use tables to lay out your page
  511. # [21:50] <gareth> which is not what tables are for
  512. # [21:51] <butblack> gareth: nah I'm not it's all within a span
  513. # [21:51] <gareth> a table within a span?
  514. # [21:51] <butblack> definitely a table
  515. # [21:51] <butblack> bootstrap span
  516. # [21:51] <butblack> or a block*
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  518. # [21:53] <gareth> right, but what actually is inside the table? are any of '1', '2', '3' or '4' represented by more than 1 line of text?
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  520. # [21:53] <butblack> it seems to be a html issue, if you have <table><tr><td><td> they line up side by side, if you add rows into those td's on an individual basis they will show two rows vertically stacked, if you have multiple <td> with multiple rows in it they no longer stack
  521. # [21:53] <butblack> gareth: no
  522. # [21:53] <butblack> gareth: one line each
  523. # [21:54] <butblack> the column method should be somewhat cleaner in terms of css
  524. # [21:54] <str8> http://tinyurl.com/ky3bbzw
  525. # [21:54] <butblack> str8: don't be useless
  526. # [21:54] <butblack> try
  527. # [21:54] <patsToms> whats the problem?
  528. # [21:55] <gareth> butblack: http://quirksmode.org/css/css2/columns.html
  529. # [21:55] <butblack> gareth: looking
  530. # [21:58] <butblack> gareth: that should work, it's interesting to me that the columns don't wrap the columns themselves and are at the top of the code
  531. # [21:58] <butblack> patsToms: i was looking to have a table with a row, each row would have two columns first and then each column would have two rows in it
  532. # [21:59] <butblack> patsToms: i tried something like this: http://jsfiddle.net/gTJJC/2/ and I'm still not quite sure why it doesn't put the column 2 beside the column 1
  533. # [22:00] <gareth> butblack: it's because HTML tables don't allow rows inside cells
  534. # [22:01] <butblack> gareth: ok, that's an answer thanks
  535. # [22:01] <butblack> i'll use the column method
  536. # [22:01] <butblack> that you recently linked me to
  537. # [22:01] <butblack> thanks gareth
  538. # [22:01] <gareth> butblack: HTML generally expands vertically because that's how pages go
  539. # [22:02] <gareth> with that assumption, if you add more records to a data table, you would expect them to stack underneath
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  542. # [22:07] <butblack> gareth: yeah, i can how that makes sense, I'm just surprised you can't have rows inside of <td>s
  543. # [22:07] <butblack> gareth: my table would have expanded vertically like this http://jsfiddle.net/hnrWD/3/
  544. # [22:07] <gareth> butblack: <td> doesn't mean column, it means cell
  545. # [22:07] <butblack> with a fixed number of columns in the grouped rows
  546. # [22:07] <gareth> admittedly not the best named tag
  547. # [22:07] <butblack> gareth: pardon me, you're right, so a number of rows inside of a cell
  548. # [22:08] <butblack> and i guess a cell would be similar to an atom in science
  549. # [22:08] <gareth> right, but that doesn't make sense, because a cell is already part of a row
  550. # [22:08] <butblack> it is the lowest denomination of a table
  551. # [22:08] <gareth> yeah
  552. # [22:08] <butblack> if that's how it works, it works for me, thanks for the discussion
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  596. # [22:49] <graphettion> Love you guys and gals!
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