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  106. # [02:38] <dannydagger> how do i make a navbar like this? he disabled inspection mode... http://www.erikford.me/
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  109. # [02:42] <llamapixel> disabled inspection mode? the source is visible...
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  112. # [02:45] <llamapixel> paste his barbecue source into here and it will make it purdy again http://jsbeautifier.org/
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  121. # [03:06] <dannydagger> llamapixel: thx mate
  122. # [03:07] <llamapixel> np
  123. # [03:07] <dannydagger> err
  124. # [03:07] <dannydagger> should i paste the whole source there or what?
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  126. # [03:07] <llamapixel> yes
  127. # [03:08] <llamapixel> You do it twice with two tabs one for the HTML and one for the CSS
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  129. # [03:08] <dannydagger> i cant access his css with firebug
  130. # [03:09] <llamapixel> just click the css from with the first source viewing
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  132. # [03:09] <llamapixel> right mouse the page if in Firefox
  133. # [03:09] <llamapixel> view page source
  134. # [03:09] <llamapixel> click the linked css
  135. # [03:09] <llamapixel> select all copy / paste into purdy
  136. # [03:10] <dannydagger> i got chrome
  137. # [03:10] <dannydagger> should i download firefox?
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  139. # [03:11] <llamapixel> chrome can view source from same right mouse button action
  140. # [03:11] <llamapixel> Oh I see it does a little more munging
  141. # [03:11] <llamapixel> yeah grab it via FF
  142. # [03:11] <dannydagger> yeah but it doesnt show me the css in jsbeautifier
  143. # [03:11] <dannydagger> alright
  144. # [03:12] <llamapixel> http://pastebin.com/h0sLeXVm
  145. # [03:12] <llamapixel> I pasted it here
  146. # [03:12] <dannydagger> thx m8 :)
  147. # [03:12] <llamapixel> np :0
  148. # [03:12] <llamapixel> :)
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  150. # [03:13] <dannydagger> i downed firefox now though
  151. # [03:14] <dannydagger> so i know for next time
  152. # [03:14] <dannydagger> you view page source?
  153. # [03:14] <dannydagger> or inspect element?
  154. # [03:14] <llamapixel> You should probably also want to add the web developer plugin tool as well
  155. # [03:14] <llamapixel> http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/
  156. # [03:14] <dannydagger> ah, whats that good for?
  157. # [03:15] <llamapixel> It saves hours of time hunting divs and problems
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  159. # [03:15] <dannydagger> when inspecting?
  160. # [03:15] <llamapixel> You can switch on elements and it changes the live page into a visible elements
  161. # [03:15] <dannydagger> lovely, thanks :D
  162. # [03:15] <llamapixel> once installed try this, goto information then display div elements
  163. # [03:15] <llamapixel> sorry divi dimensions
  164. # [03:15] <llamapixel> np
  165. # [03:17] <dannydagger> wow
  166. # [03:17] <dannydagger> thats absolutely amazing
  167. # [03:17] <llamapixel> yeah keep it a secret ok ;P
  168. # [03:17] <dannydagger> sure thing ;)
  169. # [03:17] <dannydagger> but
  170. # [03:17] <dannydagger> on his site
  171. # [03:17] <dannydagger> if you toggle div dimensions
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  173. # [03:17] <dannydagger> whats that thing on his logo topleft? it only says "E"
  174. # [03:18] <dannydagger> what does that mean?
  175. # [03:18] <llamapixel> Not sure I follow
  176. # [03:19] <dannydagger> the div dimension thing displays the css for elements right?
  177. # [03:19] <dannydagger> or atleast the dimensons
  178. # [03:19] <llamapixel> It might be a rogue alt tag, anyway spend some time switching on and off those features
  179. # [03:19] <dannydagger> ah ok
  180. # [03:19] <llamapixel> very valuable for sanity
  181. # [03:20] <dannydagger> for sure u gave me some valuable tools here, thanks again
  182. # [03:20] <llamapixel> no worries, fight the good fight mate
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  185. # [03:26] <gde33> I'm putting the <body> in full screen but that wont allow me to navigate to different pages ofc.
  186. # [03:27] <gde33> can it work that way without the iframe?
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  334. # [06:24] <zLouD> Hi guys
  335. # [06:25] <zLouD> and female guys
  336. # [06:26] <zLouD> Is it legit to use multiple <legend> tags inside a <form>?
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  342. # [06:46] <daslicht> ?and female guys?
  343. # [06:46] <daslicht> why ?
  344. # [06:46] <bot-t> daslicht, Safer Contact Forms Without CAPTCHA's by 15 Days Of jQuery - Building a complete, jQuery-based, solution for stopping spammers from mis-using your forms. http://docs.jquery.com/Tutorials:Safer_Contact_Forms_Without_CAPTCHAs
  345. # [06:46] <daslicht> huh
  346. # [06:46] <daslicht> ?test
  347. # [06:46] <bot-t> daslicht, JQuerySprint/test - jQuery Wiki - The following test pages already exist: http://docs.jquery.com/JQuerySprint/test
  348. # [06:46] <daslicht> lol
  349. # [06:47] <zLouD> oh
  350. # [06:47] <zLouD> someone is alive
  351. # [06:47] <daslicht> hi
  352. # [06:47] <daslicht> me
  353. # [06:47] <daslicht> alive and fresh :D
  354. # [06:47] <zLouD> Can you answer me some question about Bootstrap/Jquery/Html5?
  355. # [06:47] <daslicht> its going to be a sunny day here
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  357. # [06:48] <daslicht> just ask
  358. # [06:48] <zLouD> It's going to be an african-ish day here :P
  359. # [06:48] <zLouD> germany is on fire
  360. # [06:48] <daslicht> if I can i will do
  361. # [06:48] <daslicht> yeah herer in Cuxhaven either :D
  362. # [06:48] <zLouD> Well, i am using bootstrap modal component to create overlay windows
  363. # [06:49] <daslicht> already around 18.9 Degree
  364. # [06:49] <zLouD> I have forms inside this overlays / modals - now my question is: can i send the form using jquery/ajax and have a response message shown as new overlay or inside the existing modal/overlay?
  365. # [06:50] <daslicht> i think its possible
  366. # [06:50] <zLouD> Can you also give me some advice how this can be done?
  367. # [06:51] <daslicht> do youi know how to make ajax requests with jquery ?
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  369. # [06:51] <zLouD> It's the first time in a while that i work with html, especially with html5 and twitter bootstrap + jquery
  370. # [06:51] <zLouD> not really
  371. # [06:51] <daslicht> ok first thing you should try is to create a simple ajax call to your server and than return data
  372. # [06:52] <daslicht> without to much around it maybe :D
  373. # [06:52] <daslicht> do you use php as server side?
  374. # [06:52] <zLouD> I would use PHP for the forms
  375. # [06:52] <zLouD> they have to be send to an email, so i don't have a choice
  376. # [06:53] <daslicht> hehe
  377. # [06:53] <daslicht> ok let me prepair something for you
  378. # [06:54] <daslicht> I just did it for my site 2 days ago: marcwensauer.de
  379. # [06:55] <zLouD> Yeah, tested it
  380. # [06:55] <zLouD> works
  381. # [06:55] <daslicht> :D
  382. # [06:55] <daslicht> toast
  383. # [06:56] <zLouD> you got to fix that typo
  384. # [06:56] <zLouD> "Die eEmail..."
  385. # [06:56] <daslicht> where ?
  386. # [06:56] <zLouD> Just write E-Mail
  387. # [06:56] <daslicht> you are from de?
  388. # [06:56] <zLouD> yes
  389. # [06:57] <daslicht> ok than we can speak german in priv
  390. # [06:57] <daslicht> lol
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  517. # [09:22] <Zqckfair> Does some ohe know the percentage of users that are able to use HTLM5 technologies ?
  518. # [09:22] <Zqckfair> someone
  519. # [09:22] <patsToms> just check browser statistics
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  521. # [09:29] <Moo-_-> Zqckfair: caniuse.com
  522. # [09:30] <Zqckfair> Perfect thank you
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  595. # [11:57] <mokush> can anybody familiar with css performance take a look at this? https://github.com/ghinda/css-toggle-switch/issues/9
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  620. # [12:32] <Moo-_-> mokush: did you try Chrome performance analysis tools?
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  634. # [12:56] <mokush> Moo-_-: you mean the ones from timeline?
  635. # [12:56] <Moo-_-> yes
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  876. # [18:04] <oo_miguel> where can I find answers to questions such as : "Is it allowed to put a <br /> outside of a <p> tag ?" ?
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  878. # [18:04] <GarethAdams> the spec!
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  880. # [18:05] <GarethAdams> but instead, look at the next tag out and change the question to "is it allowed to put <br /> inside a <[new tag]> tag"?
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  882. # [18:05] <GarethAdams> and then don't put <br> anywhere, use CSS to control your layout
  883. # [18:06] <oo_miguel> I am not interested in the answer to the specific example question I gave
  884. # [18:06] <GarethAdams> in which case, see my first reply!
  885. # [18:06] <oo_miguel> but to the general rules, which elements are allowed to appear where in the hierarchy.
  886. # [18:07] <GarethAdams> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/
  887. # [18:07] <oo_miguel> thanks
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  889. # [18:08] <zLouD> you can always validate your html code
  890. # [18:08] <zLouD> google: html5 validator
  891. # [18:08] <graphettion> I've lost faith in people knowing how to use google.
  892. # [18:08] <GarethAdams> well that will tell you after you've got it wrong
  893. # [18:08] <graphettion> Can't get their own links.
  894. # [18:09] <GarethAdams> it won't tell you what is write
  895. # [18:09] <GarethAdams> s/write/right/
  896. # [18:09] <oo_miguel> hehe
  897. # [18:09] <oo_miguel> right
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  899. # [18:09] <oo_miguel> on the other hand the specification is reaaaly long
  900. # [18:10] <GarethAdams> well your question was kind of vague
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  903. # [18:10] <GarethAdams> the answer to "where details the rules of HTML5?" is "the spec"
  904. # [18:10] <oo_miguel> I often don't know what elements are allowed inside what elements
  905. # [18:11] <GarethAdams> so, find an element in the contents list, and click on it :)
  906. # [18:11] <graphettion> May Ctrl+F be with you.
  907. # [18:11] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: it will take you to e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/tabular-data.html#the-tr-element which says - "Content model: Zero or more td or th elements"
  908. # [18:11] <GarethAdams> not sure how it can be simpler
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  911. # [18:12] <oo_miguel> oops
  912. # [18:12] <oo_miguel> yes, thats exactly what I needed
  913. # [18:12] <oo_miguel> thank you
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  916. # [18:14] <oo_miguel> but the formulation "where embeded content is expected" is not so simple anymore ;)
  917. # [18:15] <oo_miguel> because I do not know where embeded content is expected
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  919. # [18:15] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: where do you see that?
  920. # [18:15] <oo_miguel> <img>
  921. # [18:15] <oo_miguel> context where it can be used
  922. # [18:16] <oo_miguel> literally: contexts in which this element can be used?
  923. # [18:16] <GarethAdams> that isn't really a useful way to think of HTML
  924. # [18:16] <GarethAdams> what's the problem you're having?
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  926. # [18:16] <oo_miguel> I want to know if its valid to use an <img> inside a <body> and/or inside a <p>
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  928. # [18:17] <GarethAdams> why? You have an image and you can't decide where in your HTML it should go?
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  930. # [18:18] <oo_miguel> I do not know which of the following is correct: <p>blah</p><img /><p>foo</p> and/or <p> blah <img /> foo </p>
  931. # [18:18] <oo_miguel> maybe both
  932. # [18:18] <dahlfors_> yes. both are correct
  933. # [18:18] <GarethAdams> they're vastly different semantic concepts. Validity isn't the issue here, do you have two paragraphs of text or just one?
  934. # [18:19] <oo_miguel> in this particular case I have two paragraphs
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  937. # [18:19] <GarethAdams> it seems like the second example would be the wrong markup to use in any case then
  938. # [18:19] <oo_miguel> but everytime I face a similar quesion I do not want to bother you ;). thats why I wanted a general approach to find answers to this type of question by myself.
  939. # [18:19] <zLouD> oo_miguel: You should learn what kind of things you can do in HTML and then learn how it is done
  940. # [18:19] <GarethAdams> so what's the parent of the <p>?
  941. # [18:20] <graphettion> Yup, the second doesn't have two paragraphs.
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  943. # [18:20] <zLouD> learning tags and order without knowing what you do isn't good practice
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  945. # [18:20] <oo_miguel> zLouD: so given. that I know i can do <p> and <img> . but I do not know if I can put one inside another, how do I find the answer, without asking you ?
  946. # [18:21] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: you can check the spec for <p> and the spec for whatever element is outside the <p>, right?
  947. # [18:21] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: there's little value in you seeing a list that says "ooh, I can put <img> in a <td>!" because it's kind of irrelevant
  948. # [18:21] <zLouD> <p> is for paragraph so you put text in there, <img> is a standalone tag, you don't close the <img> like the <p> tag with </p>
  949. # [18:21] <graphettion> This was answered a long time ago.
  950. # [18:21] <GarethAdams> zLouD: that's not the questin here
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  952. # [18:22] <GarethAdams> s/questin/question/
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  954. # [18:22] <graphettion> Look at the spec, determine what you need for your situation, experiment with HTML.
  955. # [18:24] <oo_miguel> I find the spec quite confusing. for instance:
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  957. # [18:25] <oo_miguel> <img> tells me I can put it where embedded content is expected. but <p> tells me that I can put phrasing content inside it.
  958. # [18:25] <oo_miguel> <img> seems to be phrasing content as well as embedded content.
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  960. # [18:26] <oo_miguel> is embeded content a "sub-class" of phrasing content?
  961. # [18:26] <zLouD> GarethAdams: I never thought of such things when doing HTML to be honest, what am i doing wrong?
  962. # [18:26] <oo_miguel> I admit, i just read some small parts of the specification by now
  963. # [18:26] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: the documentation for "Contexts in which this element can be used" says: "This information is redundant with the content models of elements that allow this one as a child, and is provided only as a convenience"
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  965. # [18:26] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: basically, it's the content model of the parent element that matters
  966. # [18:28] <oo_miguel> ok.
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  970. # [18:28] <oo_miguel> so if I want to find out : "where can I use <img>?" I would have to click through all elements and look if its mentioned in the content model, right?
  971. # [18:28] <oo_miguel> this would of course make no sense in my real-life work
  972. # [18:28] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: my point is, that's not a useful question to ask
  973. # [18:29] <GarethAdams> "Wait, I have an <img>. Should I add a <strong> around it?"
  974. # [18:29] <oo_miguel> yes, my questions are most often of the sort: "can i put A inside B and/or C?"
  975. # [18:29] <oo_miguel> so i would have to check B and C
  976. # [18:29] <GarethAdams> correct
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  978. # [18:29] <oo_miguel> GarethAdams: yes makes sense
  979. # [18:29] <GarethAdams> not "all elements"
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  981. # [18:29] <GarethAdams> you'll learn quickly that there aren't many container elements you'll actually use
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  983. # [18:30] <GarethAdams> and they'll generally contain one of the broad categories of content like 'phrasing content'
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  985. # [18:30] <oo_miguel> thanks a lot, now I can continue to work. I did not ever look in the specs before.. maybe thats the root of all this confusion
  986. # [18:30] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: if you get stuck, come and ask :)
  987. # [18:31] <zLouD> :(
  988. # [18:31] <oo_miguel> You can count on that ;)
  989. # [18:31] <GarethAdams> say something like "I'm trying to understand [x] part of the spec" with the relevant links
  990. # [18:31] <oo_miguel> allrighty
  991. # [18:31] <GarethAdams> then we won't dismiss you as someone who hasn't tried finding out for themself
  992. # [18:31] <GarethAdams> (there's a lot of those)
  993. # [18:31] <graphettion> ^
  994. # [18:32] <GarethAdams> not knowing where to look is a valid question for as long as w3schools is still the top Google hit
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  996. # [18:32] <GarethAdams> but you only get to use that excuse once
  997. # [18:33] <oo_miguel> :)
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  999. # [18:34] <oo_miguel> very noble
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  1005. # [18:34] <oo_miguel> but seriously, I saw that the specification exists, however I was afraid it will be too technical to use in practice
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  1008. # [18:35] <oo_miguel> so never read a single word
  1009. # [18:35] <GarethAdams> there are complex implementation details in there too
  1010. # [18:36] <GarethAdams> but each section starts with a simple summary
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  1012. # [18:36] <oo_miguel> that should be suffcient for my needs. I'am not implementing a webbrowser ;)
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  1015. # [18:38] <zLouD> GarethAdams: I wasn't joking when i said i never used the reference, i just check on w3schools or other site on tags (to find out which attributes work and how). I never thought of how to do my html code in ways of "embedded content" or "phrased content" and so on
  1016. # [18:38] <zLouD> GarethAdams: Currently i do a website with html5/twitter bootstrap and almost have only divs and so on
  1017. # [18:39] <GarethAdams> HTML shouldn't have almost only divs
  1018. # [18:39] <zLouD> Is that like "bad"?
  1019. # [18:39] <oo_miguel> some completely different question I have is what would be the best practice choice when building a website to decide which html/xhtml version to use. (I am aware that this channel #html5 is maybe not the best place to ask this)
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  1021. # [18:39] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: don't use XHTML, it doesn't really exist any more
  1022. # [18:39] <zLouD> html5 +1
  1023. # [18:39] <oo_miguel> ok, that was my premium choice until today :)
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  1025. # [18:40] <oo_miguel> xhtml
  1026. # [18:40] <zLouD> html5 > xhtml
  1027. # [18:40] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: HTML5 is designed to formalise how browsers implemented HTML4, and also add funky new features
  1028. # [18:40] <zLouD> Forms/Input handling in html5 is so good now
  1029. # [18:40] <oo_miguel> I played with some features that will maybe never been supported by all browsers, and love it
  1030. # [18:40] <oo_miguel> webGL
  1031. # [18:40] <oo_miguel> :)
  1032. # [18:40] <zLouD> webGL isn't really html
  1033. # [18:41] <oo_miguel> ok thats a point
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  1035. # [18:42] <oo_miguel> do you girls and guys use xhtml5 for real sites too? or is it not "production-ready" yet and I should do html 4.01
  1036. # [18:42] <oo_miguel> ?
  1037. # [18:42] <oo_miguel> ah
  1038. # [18:42] <oo_miguel> s/xhtml5/html5
  1039. # [18:42] <oo_miguel> sorry
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  1041. # [18:43] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: HTML5 is designed to formalise how browsers implemented HTML4, […]
  1042. # [18:43] <oo_miguel> GarethAdams: oook
  1043. # [18:43] <GarethAdams> [all] of your HTML 4.01 is valid HTML5
  1044. # [18:43] <oo_miguel> got it
  1045. # [18:43] <oo_miguel> formalises implentation + adds features
  1046. # [18:44] <oo_miguel> but from the syntactic point of view its a superset over html 4.01
  1047. # [18:44] <zLouD> You can use HTML5 if you don't care about old shit browers like IE6 and so on (even tho you can make them compatible via JS afaik)
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  1050. # [18:45] <GarethAdams> oo_miguel: as far as syntax goes, you can even use self-closing tags like <img />, but that syntax is valid only because of backward compatibility and isn't "really" HTML
  1051. # [18:46] <zLouD> oo_miguel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Generalized_Markup_Language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Generalized_Markup_Language#XML
  1052. # [18:46] <oo_miguel> ok cool
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  1054. # [18:47] <oo_miguel> I think I have now enough information for today. really thanks a lot for your time GarethAdams and zLouD .
  1055. # [18:47] <GarethAdams> Note that HTML5 isn't an SGML language
  1056. # [18:47] <GarethAdams> s/language/application/
  1057. # [18:47] <oo_miguel> ant it isn't XML either
  1058. # [18:47] <oo_miguel> and
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  1060. # [18:48] <GarethAdams> you *can* deliver HTML5 as XML, in which case the /> syntax is important
  1061. # [18:48] <GarethAdams> but there are no benefits for a browser application
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  1142. # [20:23] <paul_irish> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5907124 Chrome DevTools Tips & Tricks . it's good. upvote if you want
  1143. # [20:25] <graphettion> paul_irish: Will do. Love your contributions man!
  1144. # [20:25] <paul_irish> hollaaa
  1145. # [20:25] <graphettion> como estas?
  1146. # [20:25] <paul_irish> addy wrote up this doc, actually
  1147. # [20:25] <paul_irish> i lurve it
  1148. # [20:25] <graphettion> paul_irish: Hehe, I mean HTML5 please and stuff.
  1149. # [20:26] <paul_irish> graphettion: oh word
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  1151. # [20:26] <paul_irish> it needs some updates
  1152. # [20:26] <paul_irish> if you want to work on the site... please feel free.
  1153. # [20:26] <graphettion> paul_irish: That'd be cool. Not sure where to go.
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  1162. # [20:35] <paul_irish> graphettion: https://github.com/h5bp/html5please
  1163. # [20:35] <graphettion> paul_irish: Yeah, I feel stupid now.
  1164. # [20:35] <graphettion> paul_irish: Thanks dawg!
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  1167. # [20:41] <paul_irish> :)
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  1173. # [20:50] <patsToms> paul_irish, that red circle needs to look like that? http://screencloud.net/img/screenshots/e7a6534926aeb0d4965c8d1e1588e446.png
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  1183. # [21:03] <paul_irish> patsToms: :) no.. it's a Blink bug
  1184. # [21:04] <paul_irish> this is the only site i've seen it repro'd on so i never got around to reporting it
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  1346. # [23:31] <dannydagger> how has he put his logo there? it all looks like css and no picture? http://www.erikford.me/
  1347. # [23:31] <dannydagger> the top left logo
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  1356. # [23:35] <dannydagger> anyone? can i make a menu like that easily with bootstrap?
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  1363. # [23:40] <graphettion> dannydagger: http://jsfiddle.net/mTQGL/
  1364. # [23:40] <dannydagger> graphettion: wow thx alot, is there any way you could do that with the whole menu? i dont really know how to :(
  1365. # [23:41] <dannydagger> if it's not too much work for you
  1366. # [23:41] <graphettion> dannydagger: Not sure what you mean.
  1367. # [23:41] <dannydagger> i mean the whole navbar
  1368. # [23:41] <dannydagger> instead of just the logo
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  1371. # [23:43] <graphettion> dannydagger: Are you actually trying to learn the language?
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  1373. # [23:44] <dannydagger> I'm actually trying to learn how to make a logo like that, with the square hover over the textlinks etc.. with those nice animations
  1374. # [23:44] <graphettion> Experiment with it.
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  1377. # [23:45] <dannydagger> alright.. how did you copy the css that quickly just for this logo though? is there any shortcut for this stuff?
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  1379. # [23:46] <graphettion> dannydagger: I used FireBug.
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  1381. # [23:48] <dannydagger> ok cool thx
  1382. # [23:48] <dannydagger> i'm kind of a newbie :)
  1383. # [23:48] <graphettion> dannydagger: It's all good. We all have to walk. Just make sure you understand what you're doing.
  1384. # [23:49] <dannydagger> graphettion: sure, what if i want to insert an image on top of that black background on the logo and delete his wap8 text.. just add another css class and background-image?
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  1386. # [23:52] <graphettion> dannydagger: Try it in the fiddle
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  1389. # [23:54] <dannydagger> sure, but when i delete the fontface and the .wap8 icon the black background dissapears too.. that's whats kind of confusing to me
  1390. # [23:56] <graphettion> dannydagger: #css should help you
  1391. # [23:56] <dannydagger> thx
  1392. # [23:56] <graphettion> yw
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