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  55. # [01:33] <SuperSonicSound> How could an XPath expression be written with the meaning, "the first <a> node after the <span>[insert any number here]</span> node" for a chunk of XML with a similar structure to these: http://ideone.com/rrzBXM http://ideone.com/deMdSi
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  128. # [03:23] <Baybal32> pewpew
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  137. # [03:38] <grantg> heh
  138. # [03:39] <grantg> feel so bad for the jit - http://i.imgur.com/Kk9ttDz.png
  139. # [03:39] <grantg> firefox pauses randomly every few seconds to recompile :P
  140. # [03:40] <grantg> advance wars likes to spin out wasted cycles
  141. # [03:40] <cmiller1> I don't know what that bullshit on hacker news today about firefox being the fastest was about
  142. # [03:40] <grantg> more "benchmarks"
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  144. # [03:40] <cmiller1> whenever I do any html5/canvas/modern javascript stuff, firefox is the worst
  145. # [03:41] <cmiller1> chrome and (mac) safari actually usually come out on top
  146. # [03:41] <grantg> although chrome stable and canary are suckwad on the gba emulator and running into slow paths
  147. # [03:41] <cmiller1> yeah, math on chrome's implementation of javascript is a little funky
  148. # [03:41] <grantg> I mean, there's a V8 bugs causing de-opts
  149. # [03:42] <grantg> on canary it's 5% speed and on stable it's 20%
  150. # [03:42] <grantg> but firefox stable and nightly are way better :I
  151. # [03:42] <cmiller1> but just drawing to canvas is painfully slow in firefox on my debian box and my mac
  152. # [03:43] <cmiller1> don't test in windows that often, to be fair
  153. # [03:43] <grantg> not even rendering to canvas, only the final image is drawn to canvas
  154. # [03:43] <grantg> it's rendered internally to line buffers
  155. # [03:43] <grantg> and composited in js itself
  156. # [03:44] <cmiller1> hmm, this might be a case of firefox trying to be too platform agnostic and not utilizing the GPU as much as the others
  157. # [03:44] <grantg> gba's gfx system isn't straight-forward like you'd think
  158. # [03:44] <grantg> so it has to be software, and no it's not a canvas bottleneck
  159. # [03:44] <grantg> it's literally a js math issue
  160. # [03:44] <cmiller1> in a game I did a while ago
  161. # [03:45] <cmiller1> I did matrix math and saved a 2 MB file to the server
  162. # [03:45] <grantg> canvas is slow in firefox
  163. # [03:45] <cmiller1> to replace pixel perfect collision detection with a lookup table of the answers (after doing a rectangle hit test)
  164. # [03:45] <grantg> but to only blit the final image is hw supported by FF
  165. # [03:45] <cmiller1> because simple math was so slow on chrome
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  171. # [03:50] <grantg> http://imgur.com/a/8cNOO
  172. # [03:50] <grantg> that shows the speed difference
  173. # [03:50] <grantg> firefox can pull that game menu off fullspeed but chrome hits at half speed
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  176. # [03:58] <grantg> of course FF grinds here though - http://i.imgur.com/oQe9kWR.png
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  178. # [03:58] <grantg> as we're not using webgl at all (and can't).
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  185. # [04:03] <grantg> stupid proprietary gpu doesn't render to framebuffer and allows param changes while drawing the original frame. :P
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  187. # [04:04] <cmiller1> if you could force chrome to use integers in javascript...
  188. # [04:05] <grantg> you can
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  190. # [04:05] <grantg> problem is values by default are saved as double float
  191. # [04:05] <grantg> but you can enforce integer math
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  193. # [04:08] <cmiller1> you can?
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  195. # [04:09] <cmiller1> how?
  196. # [04:09] <cmiller1> this sounds incredibly useful
  197. # [04:09] <grantg> use bitwise
  198. # [04:09] <grantg> bitwise or against zero
  199. # [04:09] <cmiller1> ohhh, I see
  200. # [04:09] <grantg> bitwise or against zero doesn't alter the result as long as it's within integer range
  201. # [04:09] <cmiller1> yeah, the double float math slows down chrome a lot, but chrome in general is slow with math
  202. # [04:09] <grantg> firefox picks up on that and doesn't do FPU ops sometimes and replaces it with ALU ops
  203. # [04:10] <cmiller1> chrome doesn't
  204. # [04:10] <grantg> it does
  205. # [04:10] <grantg> they
  206. # [04:10] <grantg> they're both
  207. # [04:10] <grantg> uh
  208. # [04:10] <grantg> "picky"
  209. # [04:10] <grantg> some code is overlooked by them
  210. # [04:11] <cmiller1> I actually feel embarrassed to say that I've seen the best performance from safari in these instances
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  212. # [04:14] * grantg would technically be wrong saying there's no buffering of pixels, but it's literally an 8 pixel buffer and not even a full scanline buffer :P
  213. # [04:17] <cmiller1> in your emulator or in the browser?
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  215. # [04:19] <grantg> in the emulator
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  217. # [04:19] <grantg> I mean for why there's no webgl
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  219. # [04:20] <grantg> the desktop gba emulators are the same
  220. # [04:20] <grantg> they don't use opengl or directx for the screen rendering
  221. # [04:20] <cmiller1> but a double float is 64 bits
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  223. # [04:21] <cmiller1> so if its not optimizing the math, you get fucked
  224. # [04:21] <grantg> indeed
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  488. # [11:58] <anny__> im using jquery to animate an image in my website but the animation seems sluggish, correct if I'm wrong since I'm new to html5, does jquery uses the capabilities of html5 since I've seen very decent games that uses html5? or am I missing something here?
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  492. # [12:03] <moo-_-> anny__: it doesn't use any CSS3 animation capabilities
  493. # [12:03] <moo-_-> anny__: so jQuery is sluggist
  494. # [12:03] <moo-_-> anny__: http://daneden.me/animate/
  495. # [12:04] <Buck> anny__: link>?
  496. # [12:08] <dahlfors_> moo-_-: btw, would you happen to know some good benchmarking done in different browsers on css3 vs js animations?
  497. # [12:09] <moo-_-> dahlfors_: I'd start with Chrome Performance tab
  498. # [12:09] <moo-_-> dahlfors_: there was also some slowdown tool from Mozilla if I recall correctly
  499. # [12:09] <dahlfors_> oh, was not thinking about doing it myself
  500. # [12:09] <dahlfors_> was just thinking that there'd probably be someone who had done it already. just haven't found anything useful when googling around
  501. # [12:10] <Buck> interesting: http://visionmedia.github.io/move.js/
  502. # [12:12] <EdwinNL> nice effects Buck, but why would you use js for that while you can do it with css?
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  504. # [12:15] <moo-_-> EdwinNL: some people work with Microsoft products :<
  505. # [12:16] <dahlfors_> I always associate ie to prodigy's song their law... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62UTsRQ6qY
  506. # [12:16] <dahlfors_> that's the ie song to me
  507. # [12:17] <EdwinNL> hahaha
  508. # [12:17] <dahlfors_> always been
  509. # [12:17] <EdwinNL> http://caniuse.com/#search=transition
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  520. # [12:30] <Ahrengot> Anyone working with JavaScript source maps? I simply can't get them to work in Chrome dev tools. I've enabled source maps under settings>general>sources and grunt is generating both the path to the source-map.js file and source-map.js itself. However, when I do a console.log from one of my files, it just links to the minified file in the console … Any ideas what I might be doing wrong?
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  524. # [12:40] <Buck> EdwinNL: that is using css
  525. # [12:41] <Buck> but with easy assignments through js
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  574. # [13:43] <aksnot> using canvas functions .Thanks in advance.
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  709. # [16:54] <coolball> can I make a random sudoku generator that works in html5
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  712. # [16:54] <coolball> and if yes can they solve the puzzle on the screen or would they have to print the generated puzzle?
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  714. # [16:55] <moo-_-> coolball: why do you think you couldn't do it?
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  716. # [16:56] <GarethAdams> coolball: of course it's possible :) but there's no <sudoku> tag, you'll actually have to build all the functionality yourself
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  719. # [16:57] <coolball> html
  720. # [16:58] <coolball> html5 is over my head but this could be my best option for starting to learn
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  725. # [16:59] <GarethAdams> coolball: HTML is not a programming language, it just defines the content of documents
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  727. # [16:59] <GarethAdams> coolball: Javascript is a programming language which (commonly) runs within an HTML document and allows it to change dynamically
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  789. # [18:14] <galant> I have big problem, I insert line feed character into contenteditable text node everything is fine but the caret/cursor position for writing is in previous line, when I write something everything is right, the text is written in new line, but before I write anything the caret/cursor stay in previous line, why is this happening?
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  1007. # [21:43] <reactormonk> How do I tell images to fit into the bounding box in html5presentation?
  1008. # [21:44] <jkl555> width: 100%; height: 100%;
  1009. # [21:44] <jkl555> in CSS
  1010. # [21:45] <reactormonk> sure
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  1012. # [21:45] <reactormonk> hm, still overlaps on height
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  1014. # [21:46] <reactormonk> and it resizes the small images as well
  1015. # [21:48] <reactormonk> max-width works as expected, but it still has some problems acknowledging height
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  1052. # [22:38] <phrearch> hm the video element doesnt always scale right to the whole height of a parent element
  1053. # [22:38] <phrearch> and it doesnt accept block elements inside it it seems
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  1104. # [23:34] <phrearch> hey
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  1106. # [23:34] <phrearch> is tabcapture only available as extension?
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  1116. # [23:48] <phrearch> ah awesome
  1117. # [23:48] <phrearch> https://html5-demos.appspot.com/static/getusermedia/screenshare.html
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