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  539. # [07:13] <the_dark_knight> Hi, I am trying to take a pic through camera using my emulator. I am referring this http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/getusermedia/intro/ . I put this - <input type="file" accept="image/*;capture=camera"> into camera.html . when I load this html from my app, it loads a button. When clicked on it, nothing happens? what am I missing? I have put CAMERA permissions in my manifest file. Please help me out
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  548. # [07:27] <chrisirc> Hi. I'm trying to figure out why <audio controls><source src="foo.ogg" type="audio/ogg; codecs=&quot;vorbis&quot;"></audio> first
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  550. # [07:28] <chrisirc> sorry, bad paste (hate X)
  551. # [07:28] <chrisirc> Hi. I'm trying to figure out why <audio controls><source src="foo.ogg" type="audio/ogg; codecs=&quot;vorbis&quot;"></audio> draws the control first with greater height, like if it wanted to show a video probably, then a part of a second later, eliminates that and just draws the audio control.
  552. # [07:28] <chrisirc> It's really awful to look at, giving me some kind of flicker on every song change.
  553. # [07:29] <chrisirc> Any idea how to eliminate it? (And why are there separate video and audio elements if the audio element expects video at first?)
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  561. # [07:53] <chrisirc> Well, giving it a fixed width and height through CSS at least makes the repositioning go away (now it just starts with a grey background+spinner, then switches to white once audio starts playing).
  562. # [07:53] <chrisirc> Much better to look at, but still seems silly to have a video control when I was asking for an audio one.
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  684. # [10:47] <Chiko> can anyone explain how html5 websocket frames work? what i'm seeing from version 13 chrome and the specification don't quite match up for me
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  708. # [11:20] <patsToms> Chiko, You want to understand how websocket frames work? haha
  709. # [11:20] <patsToms> check this http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6455
  710. # [11:20] <patsToms> this line "The protocol consists of an opening handshake ollowed by basic message framing, layered over TCP."
  711. # [11:20] <patsToms> If i understand correclty the frame
  712. # [11:20] <patsToms> is from osi model http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
  713. # [11:21] <patsToms> frame is data unit for data link layer
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  718. # [11:24] <patsToms> Chiko, so here is link about frame from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_(networking)
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  737. # [11:43] <Nodex> does this channel cover responsiveness ?
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  740. # [11:48] <Chiko> patsToms: Yeah i have read that but i believe i'm missing something vital as the response doesn't appear to match up to what i've read in the specification; http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6455#section-5.2
  741. # [11:52] <Chiko> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zs1U8r3j
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  744. # [11:53] <Chiko> I've repeated the send action multiple times with each result varying greatly all bits are changing so i feel there is something important i'm missing with the specification
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  749. # [12:12] <patsToms> Chiko, sorry, what response are you waiting?
  750. # [12:14] <Chiko> i'm trying to figure out how to read that response
  751. # [12:14] <Chiko> it doesn't seem to match the specification
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  753. # [12:14] <Chiko> everytime i send the bits are different i can't see any real pattern or any consistency with the spec
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  756. # [12:17] <patsToms> Chiko, so you are trying to achive that standart in low level by self?
  757. # [12:18] <Chiko> yeah i just wanted to have a look at it
  758. # [12:18] <patsToms> I mean you have your websocket server and
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  760. # [12:18] <patsToms> you are doing handshake to it?
  761. # [12:18] <Chiko> yeah
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  764. # [12:18] <Chiko> i was tinkering with my own client then decided to use this one to connect http://www.websocket.org/echo.html to rule out any client issue
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  766. # [12:20] <patsToms> opening handshake meand do connection, do I understand right? haha
  767. # [12:21] <Chiko> I assume the handshake is when the client connects provides you with a key you then take that key add on the "magic key" hash it using SHA and respond with it in the sec-websocket-accept is that right or?
  768. # [12:21] <Chiko> like once it's established i then hit send and i get a response (size varying based on the message i provide) sorry if i'm not understanding correctly
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  770. # [12:23] <patsToms> have you checked how WAMP is build?
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  772. # [12:23] <Chiko> wamp source? no i haven't looked into it
  773. # [12:23] <Chiko> was just aiming for an extremely simple version of this wasn't expecting this much hassle
  774. # [12:24] <patsToms> that's why I'm thinking that handshake is "connecting" to websocket server
  775. # [12:24] <patsToms> maybe it's not true, neet to get some info then...
  776. # [12:24] <Chiko> i've just written a small c# program that accepts the connection performs the handshake
  777. # [12:24] <Chiko> then receives a packet every time i send data from the client
  778. # [12:25] <Chiko> you believe the rest of the data is going somewhere else?
  779. # [12:25] <Chiko> i could run wireshark and observe
  780. # [12:25] <patsToms> I have writed socket server to one flash game before some years...
  781. # [12:25] <patsToms> but I rember that there was some socket object too
  782. # [12:25] <patsToms> sorry, really can't help you :(
  783. # [12:26] <Chiko> that's ok thanks for responding haven't had any feedback in 3 days :P seems noone has really played with it
  784. # [12:27] <patsToms> I remember some links from you, but really found those something like from NASA
  785. # [12:27] <patsToms> haha
  786. # [12:27] <patsToms> just found interesting now because it was asked so many times
  787. # [12:27] <Chiko> :P if i can trackdown a working server then i can run wireshark and see what's actually happening
  788. # [12:27] <Chiko> so weird that i'm only getting 3 random bytes
  789. # [12:28] <patsToms> you could
  790. # [12:28] <patsToms> are you using socket class
  791. # [12:28] <patsToms> or doing it in some other way?
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  793. # [12:30] <patsToms> Chiko, you should check #Node.js
  794. # [12:30] <patsToms> there are many people who understand websockets like monsters :b
  795. # [12:31] <Chiko> I was using TcpListener
  796. # [12:31] <Chiko> yeah ill have to try that one out see if it can work out
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  798. # [12:31] <Chiko> i just wanted to get confirmation if the 3 bytes im receiving are garbage or not
  799. # [12:31] <Chiko> i will assume they are and that there is a setup issue
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  801. # [12:32] <patsToms> Chiko, but why you are not using Socket class?
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  804. # [12:33] <Chiko> I just picked any this was meant to be a quick test :P
  805. # [12:34] <Chiko> was going to use HttpServer however that pc didn't have VS 2012
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  825. # [12:55] <quackgyver> Anyone know if socket.io is the top of mind choice for html5 devs who want to do networking?
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  827. # [12:57] <patsToms> seems like socket.io and AutobahnJS is most popular
  828. # [12:57] <patsToms> socket.io is popular because it have many fallbacks
  829. # [12:57] <patsToms> like if browser don't support websockets it uses ajax or even flash
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  832. # [12:58] <quackgyver> patsToms: And AutobahnJS doesn't? How come they're even comparable then? :o
  833. # [12:59] <patsToms> quackgyver, no - Autobahn just do the thing with websockets
  834. # [12:59] <quackgyver> aight
  835. # [12:59] <quackgyver> well yeah, so it probably isnt as top of mind then, im guessing :d
  836. # [12:59] <patsToms> if you need, write fallback for you own haha :b
  837. # [13:00] <quackgyver> I'm not trying to fill a specific need right now. I'm just trying to set the course for what I'm gonna learn next
  838. # [13:00] <quackgyver> and I prefer vanilla and mainstream stuff :)
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  840. # [13:00] <patsToms> you mean vanilla-js?
  841. # [13:01] <quackgyver> No I mean non-niche/non-alternative/non-hackish stuff
  842. # [13:01] <quackgyver> I.e. I try to stick with what's popular
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  849. # [13:08] <moo-_-> "not living on the edge"
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  857. # [13:15] <drager> So I'm trying to keep score of points even if the browser is closed but I cannot get it to work. Ideas? http://jsfiddle.net/MqVrM/
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  881. # [13:52] <quackgyver> moo-_-: Don't worry. I weigh it up with a game of russian roulette before each coding session.
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  897. # [14:09] <galant> what happens if I put webpage into webpage if I nest them, how the webpages will be parsed into ram memory by the browser and how DOM will be made?it will have document.body.document? lol :)
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  905. # [14:16] <moo-_-> galant: you won't
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  907. # [14:16] <moo-_-> galant: it is prevented by HTML grammar rules
  908. # [14:16] <moo-_-> galant: what you would create is non-valid HTML and browsers would do their best to cope with it
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  940. # [14:50] <galant> timothy developed xhtml ?
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  942. # [14:50] <galant> moo-_-, ok
  943. # [14:50] <galant> moo I did this with file_get_contents and I got page in page nested like iframes
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  945. # [14:51] <moo-_-> galant: I really don't care how you did it and what you did it, but you are doing it wrong
  946. # [14:51] <moo-_-> galant: so it is not feasible approach for anything :)
  947. # [14:52] <galant> :D
  948. # [14:52] <galant> I am curious
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  950. # [14:52] <galant> what will happen
  951. # [14:52] <galant> I am curious what my DOM looks like so I will see now
  952. # [14:53] <GarethAdams> well that's the magic - you have all the tools you need to see *what* happens
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  956. # [14:56] <galant> yep its parsed bad by browsers wit errors
  957. # [14:56] <galant> GarethAdams, :D
  958. # [14:56] <galant> I want to share ideas with people
  959. # [14:56] <galant> sometimes this anoys someones :S
  960. # [14:56] <galant> sometimes im annoying
  961. # [14:59] <galant> is there author of xhtml or w3c made it?
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  964. # [15:00] <drager> Anyone?
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  966. # [15:04] <galant> drager, ?
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  968. # [15:05] <drager> My question up there ^
  969. # [15:05] <drager> or should I retype?
  970. # [15:06] <Johnny-> Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'setItem' of undefined
  971. # [15:06] <drager> I dont get that
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  973. # [15:08] <Johnny-> load, click check, error
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  975. # [15:08] <drager> hm
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  978. # [15:13] <drager> galant, Johnny-: Do you guys have any idea how to do what I want?
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  980. # [15:15] <mobile8> anyone around with a lot knowledge on image maps?
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  983. # [15:18] <galant> sry I was afk
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  986. # [15:21] <drager> Okey
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  993. # [15:28] <mobile8> galant: you have any time to look at a simple issue?
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  996. # [15:31] <galant> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wkc4uCaLpw
  997. # [15:31] <galant> OMG OMG OMG
  998. # [15:31] <galant> nostalgia :S
  999. # [15:31] <galant> omg you remember these ? :_
  1000. # [15:31] <galant> mobile8, ok
  1001. # [15:31] <galant> mobile8, I was afk sry
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  1009. # [15:37] <patsToms> haha, I remember
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  1026. # [15:54] <Chiko> nostalgia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgOhf0vBR0E :P
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  1031. # [15:58] <patsToms> this one was one of my favorite http://youtu.be/2VxIWAj3Ji0
  1032. # [15:59] <Chiko> !! mgs pure awesome
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  1035. # [16:01] <Chiko> it was good that they remade it with better graphics on gamecube but they changed a bit of the story and the effects kinda ruined it
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  1092. # [16:47] <drager> In localStorage, can you store an array of strings?
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  1103. # [16:54] <galant> I have very strange problem for which I don't know why it happens, please help.. on my webpage I have a lot of canvas 2d drawing and css transitions, when I open the page for first time in browser tab and if I write the url in address bar the web page starts wit h canvasses already drawn mostly and elements in place, no transition no canvas drawing, they were drawn before.. why? this only happens if I open my webpage for first time in new browser tab and
  1104. # [16:54] <galant> if I write the full url by hand not using previously saved urls
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  1247. # [19:39] <irae_> gallant: this looks like a browser bug to me. it's a good idea to create a minimal example and test among some browsers to see if this is particular chrome, firefox or something
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  1260. # [19:55] <gallant> what is different when I open webpage for first time in new tab and more times?
  1261. # [19:55] <gallant> because when I open my webpage for first time in new browser tab I see my webpage openning bad, I have some canvases that start drawing when page opens and some elememnts moving that have css transition
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  1272. # [20:02] <CNSam> Anyone know how I can remove the annoying 'alerts' from Colloquy IRC client or recommend a better one?
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  1278. # [20:06] <irae_> CNSam: there is a nice option to disable everything or have fine grained controls. your choice: http://cl.ly/image/2F173J0R3E3G
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  1280. # [20:07] <irae_> CNSam: just hit "mute all notifications sounds" and your good
  1281. # [20:07] <CNSam> Haha, thank you - just annoying when you join a busy room!
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  1293. # [20:27] <irae_> CNSam: I like the feature of right clicking the room and muting it. This solve particular problems. It persist across sessions if the room is a favorite, so it's very helpful.
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  1352. # [21:21] <mobile8> gallant: here still?
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  1355. # [21:23] <gallant> yes
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  1368. # [21:38] <tamarche> Didn't I just see you on the #javascript channel? =p
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  1371. # [21:41] <gkatsev> tamarche: is that a problem that he's htere too? :P
  1372. # [21:41] <tamarche> gkatsev: Not you too XD
  1373. # [21:42] <gkatsev> lol
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  1414. # [22:29] <limsup> what's the recommended persistant storage API?
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  1417. # [22:32] <limsup> anyone? :/
  1418. # [22:32] <Al1> holla
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  1420. # [22:33] <clayjar> Good morning.
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  1424. # [22:35] <clayjar> Does anyone here have experience with <input type="file" accept="audio/*" capture> ??
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  1427. # [22:36] <tamarche> What are you trying to do?
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  1430. # [22:40] <clayjar> tamarche, I just realized it only works for mobile-based browsers. getUserMedia() doesn't seem to be available on Chrome 28.
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  1432. # [22:44] <Ms2ger> limsup, indexedDB
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  1445. # [22:53] <irae_> limsup: i second that… indexeddb
  1446. # [22:54] <irae_> limsup: http://html5please.com/#indexeddb has some links on that
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  1454. # [23:01] <bray9082_> so for some reason chrome is not using the html5 videos instead it's using the ogv fallback
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  1460. # [23:06] <tw2113> wouldn't ogg videos be html5 video?
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  1462. # [23:06] <bray9082_> ogg is html5?
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  1464. # [23:07] <tw2113> it's one of the supported formats
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  1466. # [23:07] <tw2113> to me, fallback for html5 video is flash
  1467. # [23:08] <bray9082_> if ogg is html5 then i am thoroughly confused because chrome doesn't even support ogg with html5
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  1469. # [23:08] <tw2113> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/video#Examples
  1470. # [23:08] <tamarche> lol
  1471. # [23:09] <bray9082_> according to this site chrome supports webm and mp4
  1472. # [23:09] <bray9082_> http://www.longtailvideo.com/html5/
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  1474. # [23:10] <tw2113> AAC, MP3, Vorbis
  1475. # [23:10] <tw2113> vorbis would be the OGG part
  1476. # [23:10] <tw2113> oops, that's audio
  1477. # [23:10] <tw2113> according to http://diveintohtml5.info/video.html
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  1479. # [23:11] <tw2113> it's been supported since chrome 4
  1480. # [23:11] <bray9082_> hum
  1481. # [23:11] <tamarche> I thoguht it was supposed since 3.0
  1482. # [23:11] <tamarche> supported*
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  1484. # [23:11] <bray9082_> is there any way i can get it to use the mp4 because i haven't found a good way to convert files to ogv anyways
  1485. # [23:11] <tw2113> ogg theora is the video
  1486. # [23:12] <bray9082_> and it would drastically cut down on disc space if i didn't need the ogg video as well as the webm and mp4
  1487. # [23:12] <tw2113> and diveinto has chrome at 5+ for it *shrug*
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  1493. # [23:15] <bray9082_> so there is no way to get it to use the MP4 insted of the ogv
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  1495. # [23:16] <tw2113> i dunno, i can't debug what you're seeing :P
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  1498. # [23:17] <irae_> bray9082_: check for your server headers
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  1500. # [23:17] <bray9082_> well to me honest i am using the dreamweaver html5 video player widget which might be most of my problem
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  1508. # [23:31] <graphettion> bray9082_: AFAIK, you have to use MP4 and WebM or OGV (and Flash for less than IE9).
  1509. # [23:32] <bray9082_> i will be using a firefox based kiosk browser as the main browser
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  1511. # [23:32] <graphettion> If you're only targeting FF, then either use WebM or OGV.
  1512. # [23:33] <bray9082_> well not only firefox but mostly firefox
  1513. # [23:33] <graphettion> Yup, just depends on your target.
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  1516. # [23:34] <bray9082_> prob firefox chrome and IE9+
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  1520. # [23:38] <graphettion> cool
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  1527. # [23:44] <irae_> bray9082_: https://github.com/kubes/videoconverter or something like it may help
  1528. # [23:44] <bray9082_> would my end body tag be at the end of the file or what
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