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  16. # [00:13] <clayjar> bray9082: which version of Chrome are you using ?
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  29. # [00:23] <drager> I'm currently wonder how I would add different levels for game. http://jsfiddle.net/drager/jeYmS/ any ideas?
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  444. # [09:54] <galant> what are instruction sets in html?
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  447. # [09:55] <moo-_-> galant: would you like to eloborate your question?
  448. # [09:56] <patsToms> haha
  449. # [09:56] <patsToms> what a question to question :b
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  452. # [10:02] <galant> well
  453. # [10:02] <galant> I thought <? ?> in html are called instruction sets
  454. # [10:03] <galant> I read somewhere html instruction sets, what are they
  455. # [10:03] <moo-_-> galant: no
  456. # [10:03] <moo-_-> you are talking about PHP
  457. # [10:04] <moo-_-> PHP is a novice friendly, ugly, programming language to construct dynamic HTML pages from page templates on server-side
  458. # [10:05] <galant> haha
  459. # [10:05] <galant> ok
  460. # [10:05] <galant> so there are no 'instruction sets' in html
  461. # [10:06] <moo-_-> galant: it is called JavaScript
  462. # [10:06] <moo-_-> :)
  463. # [10:06] <moo-_-> galant: and if you wish to vary your HTML page in the browser itself (not when the server generates it)
  464. # [10:06] <moo-_-> that is called "client-side templating"
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  467. # [10:12] <patsToms> novice friendly, ugly?
  468. # [10:12] <patsToms> :(
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  470. # [10:13] <galant> moo-_-, what is "vary"?
  471. # [10:14] <galant> I have webpage that is 60 kb :D
  472. # [10:14] <galant> has rich graphicvs canvas css transisitions :D
  473. # [10:14] <galant> its heavy on client resource usage
  474. # [10:14] <galant> my webpage slow older xp pcs haha :D
  475. # [10:14] <moo-_-> galant: modify HTML after it has been loaded
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  478. # [10:16] <moo-_-> patsToms: PHP is easy to started with, but it is generally accepted that it encourages bad programming practices (ugliness). However, let's not go into this topic, so that we don't start language wars :)
  479. # [10:16] <patsToms> haha
  480. # [10:17] <patsToms> moo-_-, true, but I don't think there is language which will be beatifull for new programmer
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  510. # [11:00] <dahlfors_> I've passed this test...
  511. # [11:01] <dahlfors_> was considering if I should mention asp to get the flaming going
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  526. # [11:19] <moo-_-> we all need to work with HTML and in the end everyone will eventually hate whatever shitty tools he/she ended up using :)
  527. # [11:21] <dahlfors_> yeah. softwares and technologies tend to have these annoying reoccuring things that you stumble upon time after time, and the annoyment grows
  528. # [11:21] <dahlfors_> but I'm quite happy with how well browsers have evolved still
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  530. # [11:27] <moo-_-> yes.
  531. # [11:27] <moo-_-> 5 years ago I would have bet my socks on the fact that IE will never get WebGL
  532. # [11:28] <dahlfors_> hehe
  533. # [11:28] <dahlfors_> I'm surprised at how much ie10 has shaped up
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  535. # [11:28] <dahlfors_> I started doing web development when the big browser war was between netscape 3 and ie 3.
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  537. # [11:29] <dahlfors_> had it continued like that, I don't think I'd be doing any web stuff these days
  538. # [11:29] <dahlfors_> :P
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  599. # [13:21] <drager> I'm currently wonder how I would add different levels for game. http://jsfiddle.net/drager/44jjd/ ideas?
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  602. # [13:22] <patsToms> it's game? haha
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  604. # [13:22] <patsToms> no idea whats going on on level 1
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  610. # [13:33] <drager> patsToms: Well, you answer a question :D
  611. # [13:33] <drager> and I'd like to define more "levels" ie more questions
  612. # [13:34] <patsToms> so and where is the problem?
  613. # [13:35] <drager> I wonder how I should in the best way define levels
  614. # [13:36] <patsToms> there is one think on games like this
  615. # [13:36] <patsToms> user can get answers checking source code haha
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  617. # [13:36] <drager> Yeah I know
  618. # [13:36] <patsToms> if you want a real game you need some backend
  619. # [13:37] <drager> Since it would be for a mobile it doesnt really make any difference
  620. # [13:38] <patsToms> you should make object with question and answer
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  622. # [13:38] <patsToms> then make array with objects like that
  623. # [13:38] <patsToms> just for example
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  629. # [13:39] <patsToms> sorry, really don't know how many you know
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  632. # [13:40] <drager> What?
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  646. # [13:57] <patsToms> drager, sorry
  647. # [13:57] <patsToms> I really fast did something like that http://jsfiddle.net/44jjd/2/
  648. # [13:57] <patsToms> it's not working fully and is really simple
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  650. # [13:59] <patsToms> you could use javascript object protype for something like that
  651. # [13:59] <bencc> is there an equivalent to $(element).children() in html5 without using jquery?
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  655. # [14:00] <patsToms> bencc, you mean something like document.getElementById("something").children[0] ?
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  657. # [14:01] <bencc> patsToms: jquery children() skips text nodes and comments
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  659. # [14:03] <patsToms> no idea where is the magic
  660. # [14:03] <moo-_-> bencc: yes
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  662. # [14:03] <moo-_-> bencc: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Element.querySelectorAll
  663. # [14:04] <drager> patsToms: Cool, thanks
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  666. # [14:07] <bencc> moo-_-: where does it says that it doesn't include text nodes and comments?
  667. # [14:08] <moo-_-> bencc: it doesn't
  668. # [14:08] <moo-_-> bencc: but you must understand the underlying mechanism
  669. # [14:08] <moo-_-> it is using CSS selectors
  670. # [14:08] <moo-_-> ah
  671. # [14:08] <moo-_-> you *want* comments?
  672. # [14:08] <moo-_-> uuh
  673. # [14:09] <bencc> moo-_-: I don't want comments. I just want the equivalent of jquery children() without jquery
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  676. # [14:10] <bencc> so I need CSS selectors to get the first child?
  677. # [14:11] <moo-_-> bencc: well I would do it simple like document.querySelectorAll("#my-parent > *:first-child")
  678. # [14:12] <moo-_-> or similar
  679. # [14:12] <Chiko> when you said without jquery did you mean without javascript alltogether (pure css?) or? without jquery id imagine document.getElementById("menu-item-75").children[0] would be most supported?
  680. # [14:12] <bencc> without the jquery library
  681. # [14:13] <Chiko> ah k either of the two there should work
  682. # [14:15] <bencc> but can't children[0] give me text nodes and comments? I don't want them
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  688. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> bencc, children is elements only; childNodes contains all nodes
  689. # [14:26] <Chiko> .children will give you the same as what jquery does
  690. # [14:26] <Chiko> which afaik doesn't give the text nodes
  691. # [14:27] <patsToms> http://jsbin.com/anupeg/1/
  692. # [14:28] <patsToms> ^ bencc
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  710. # [15:04] <antgel> hi all. i'm looking for a simple lightbox. option to display multiple images in order is welcome. i'm using lightbox2 as a first effort, but it has a bug where if i have, say, 5 images to be shown, it starts with the last, not the first image. so i thought i'd come here to ask about the alternatives. there are so many when i do a google search
  711. # [15:04] <antgel> i wanted to know if there's an obvious, de-facto standard for lightboxes, used and respected by the good people of this channel
  712. # [15:04] <antgel> any help appreciated :)
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  717. # [15:06] <patsToms> check fancybox
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  719. # [15:07] <antgel> patsToms: thanks for the recommendation. i see on their website they have a "fancybox2" as well
  720. # [15:08] <patsToms> yes, it's new version of it
  721. # [15:09] <antgel> patsToms: i'll give it a go, thanks a lot :)
  722. # [15:09] <antgel> api looks comprehensive
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  735. # [15:17] <bencc> thanks
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  813. # [16:32] <bray9082_> do i need a webm html5 videos if i already have an mp4
  814. # [16:33] <bray9082_> for
  815. # [16:33] <bray9082_> do i need a webm for html5 videos if i already have an mp4
  816. # [16:33] <graphettion> I'm having deja vu.
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  818. # [16:33] <bray9082_> why
  819. # [16:34] <graphettion> You've talked about this multiple times.
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  821. # [16:34] <bray9082_> no
  822. # [16:34] <bray9082_> i was talking about ogv videos before
  823. # [16:35] <bray9082_> this time i'm talking about webm
  824. # [16:35] <graphettion> Yes, if you're targeting firefox.
  825. # [16:35] <bray9082_> alright
  826. # [16:36] <graphettion> Firefox only uses ogv and webm.
  827. # [16:36] <bray9082_> that's good to know because i am using a firefox based kiosk browser
  828. # [16:36] <graphettion> I know, you've told me before.
  829. # [16:36] <bray9082_> if i have webm is ogv needed at all
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  831. # [16:36] <graphettion> ogv is not needed
  832. # [16:36] <graphettion> if you use webm
  833. # [16:37] <bray9082_> GOOD
  834. # [16:37] <bray9082_> i have never had luck with converting anything to ogv
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  836. # [16:37] <graphettion> Firefox supports open-source video formats - this is why you have to use it.
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  838. # [16:37] <graphettion> There's a free program to do it.
  839. # [16:38] <bray9082_> yea i have a program but it's horrible and the video was chooppy when i tried to play it back
  840. # [16:38] <graphettion> let me look, trying to find it
  841. # [16:39] <bray9082_> nah don't bother
  842. # [16:39] <graphettion> k
  843. # [16:39] <bray9082_> i can just use the webm
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  858. # [16:56] <graphettion> bray9082_: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Supported_media_formats#MP4_H.264_(AAC_or_MP3)
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  860. # [16:57] <bray9082_> Thank you
  861. # [16:57] <graphettion> I guess mozilla has decided to support the format.
  862. # [16:57] <graphettion> I didn't know this.
  863. # [16:57] <graphettion> Things are a changin' (music plays)
  864. # [16:57] <bray9082_> so are you saying i don't need webm
  865. # [16:58] <graphettion> I believe so.
  866. # [16:58] <graphettion> According to that link.
  867. # [16:58] <graphettion> Make sure your firefox is the current version.
  868. # [16:58] <bray9082_> yea
  869. # [16:58] <bray9082_> i will test out the videos to make sure they work
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  873. # [17:01] <irae_> bray9082_: there are lots of scripts to convert to one format to the other easily. yesterday someone posted some very good links that had the information you are asking about today. reposting this one: http://www.longtailvideo.com/html5/
  874. # [17:01] <bray9082_> yea
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  876. # [17:02] <bray9082_> but i don't need those formats anymore anyways so why should i bother
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  893. # [17:25] <irae_> just yesterday, before ogv discussion here, I was going through the source of tv.js https://github.com/SamyPesse/tv.js and fluent-ffmpeg (one of it's npm dependencies). today I was reading the MDN article graphettion sent and figured out something. Chromiun cannot have mp4 because of licensing and ffmpg is used to convert things to ogv on the fly… oh the irony...
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  899. # [17:27] <irae_> so, bray9082_ you are welcome to not bother at all… I do care to know what I am about in this lands… since you are in need of a kiosk mode browser it should meter to you. Since you will be using either firefox or chromium or any open-source browser, you will never be able to use mp4 with h264...
  900. # [17:28] <bray9082_> well actually i did get mp4 to work in firefox
  901. # [17:28] <bray9082_> and i already have the kiosk browser
  902. # [17:28] <irae_> care to share the plugin link?
  903. # [17:29] <bray9082_> to get mp4 working you mean?
  904. # [17:29] <irae_> yup
  905. # [17:29] <bray9082_> oops my bad
  906. # [17:29] <bray9082_> i just checked it and i had the webm version in there not the mp4
  907. # [17:30] <bray9082_> but hey as long as i don't need ogv im all good
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  909. # [17:30] <bray9082_> sorry about that
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  913. # [17:36] <irae_> Some 6 months back I would say exactly the contrary. OGV encoders were stable and WebM encoding was hard. But I guess things change fast in this area… nevertheless, depending on the hardware you will be using, h264 can have hardware acceleration, so using Chrome may have better performance with low cost hardware… you could aways start chrome via webdriver/chromedriver and programatically open it in full screen
  914. # [17:36] <irae_> i mean, chrome + mp4
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  924. # [17:46] <graphettion> irae_: Nice.
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  932. # [17:51] <graphettion> irae_: I have an mp4 jsfiddle that works in FF.
  933. # [17:52] <graphettion> irae_: http://jsfiddle.net/wEAut/
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  939. # [17:54] <irae_> graphettion: does this need any particular version of firefox or some plugin installed? it's not working for me… firefox aurora
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  941. # [17:54] <graphettion> I'm on Firefox 22.
  942. # [17:54] <graphettion> No plugin on mine required.
  943. # [17:55] <irae_> it's only a video tag and nothing else… maybe you forgot to save the fiddle?
  944. # [17:55] <graphettion> Weird, shows <video src="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/77127384/nativeVideo2/assets/video.mp4" controls>Sorry, your browser doesn't support embedded videos.</video>
  945. # [17:55] <graphettion> on mine
  946. # [17:55] <irae_> firefox 24 here
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  948. # [17:57] <graphettion> I guess it requires standard FF.
  949. # [17:57] <graphettion> *shrugs*
  950. # [17:57] <b-ot> graphettion: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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  952. # [17:58] <irae_> graphettion i guess it requires windows ;)
  953. # [17:58] <graphettion> lmao, sorry
  954. # [17:58] <graphettion> Testing 101
  955. # [17:58] <graphettion> I failed.
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  957. # [17:58] <irae_> I will test in a windows box here… =)
  958. # [17:59] <graphettion> That makes so much since now.
  959. # [17:59] <graphettion> Anyway, carry on. I'll hit the www.sadtrombone.com button.
  960. # [17:59] <irae_> this is mozilla's fault… having disparity among oss
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  962. # [17:59] <graphettion> Ah.
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  967. # [18:03] <irae_> ok, works for me on firefox 22 windows… just to be sure
  968. # [18:03] <graphettion> irae_: Works in Chrome 28, but not opera (on windows, of course).
  969. # [18:03] <graphettion> Sweet.
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  971. # [18:04] <irae_> so I guess I will find the bug regarding macs on firefox's bugzilla and up vote that :)
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  973. # [18:04] <irae_> regarding mac h264+mp4 i mean
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  976. # [18:04] <graphettion> irae_: Send me a link and I'll agree to it.
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  980. # [18:07] <irae_> graphettion: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799318
  981. # [18:07] <graphettion> ty
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  987. # [18:12] <irae_> this one os the more specific bug for mac… the other is the meta bug that retain dependencies to each platform related bug… I am voting for both… https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851290
  988. # [18:12] <graphettion> kk, cool
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  990. # [18:15] <graphettion> irae_: I voted for both as well. Good stuff.
  991. # [18:15] <irae_> :)
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  1010. # [18:40] <bacilla> any simple way to export canvas as svg?
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  1020. # [18:51] <mobile8> Anyone in here with some knowledge about <canvas> ?
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  1087. # [19:46] <bacilla> irae_, yeah... that wasn't the question :)
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  1095. # [19:51] <irae_> bacilla: yeah, I realized only after sending… i was about to argue that possibly this was not a good idea to start of… since even if you manage to do it, results probably wouldn't be so good… but decided to let it be… but then I already have sent the first message...
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  1097. # [19:51] <irae_> sorry about that, I should not even start… I think maybe you have genuine uses for that that I haven't realized before
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