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  3. # [00:01] <d4rklit3> ok so none of my css transitions work on IOS chrome or safari
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  124. # [02:47] <afikar> test
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  174. # [03:55] <P1RATEZ> is css flex box the next best thing to media queries?
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  434. # [11:13] <rok> Have you people tried http://tridiv.com yet?
  435. # [11:13] <rok> Pretty amazing.
  436. # [11:15] <benjick> rok: can't connect to that server
  437. # [11:15] <benjick> maybe friendly internet hug
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  445. # [11:23] <benjick> sry, wrong chan
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  469. # [12:13] <bigawuc> Hey, anyone working on projects?
  470. # [12:15] <moo-_-> many people
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  472. # [12:18] <bigawuc> I'm kinda new but I have a freelance project
  473. # [12:18] <bigawuc> just bored and want to talk about html while I write it.
  474. # [12:19] <moo-_-> bigawuc: you are in the right place then
  475. # [12:19] <theresajayne_> I am trying to work out how to add custom controls to html5 video but having multiple video objects on the same page
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  477. # [12:20] <theresajayne_> I need to add full screen functionality for each video object in turn.
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  486. # [12:29] <bigawuc> ##philosophy
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  505. # [12:48] <Changa> Hello, I'm having problems echoing the date on Chrome's built in datepicker. any idea how to get this done? http://pastebin.com/p5cgKSLP
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  509. # [12:54] <patsToms> chech date format http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/input.date.html
  510. # [12:54] <patsToms> like on example - 1996-12-19
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  515. # [13:02] <Changa> thanks patsToms
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  522. # [13:17] <SprkDev> I am using html5 validation with that required thing
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  524. # [13:17] <SprkDev> only problem is it is showing the messaged one at a time. Why?
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  527. # [13:19] <SprkDev> validation popups showing one at a time. WHY?
  528. # [13:21] <SprkDev> hello?
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  534. # [13:28] <patsToms> SprkDev, http://jsbin.com/aSIDuNA/1
  535. # [13:28] <patsToms> seems ok for me
  536. # [13:28] <patsToms> oh
  537. # [13:28] <patsToms> seems like I now understand
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  626. # [15:42] <rsc33> does normal visits like from other referals improve google rank, or they have to be from google search result?
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  655. # [16:06] <Techlevel123> Hello?
  656. # [16:08] <Techlevel123> i dont understand IRC
  657. # [16:08] <rsc33> how to imrpove page rank on google?
  658. # [16:09] <scottkellum> rsc33: write good content often and make sure your website is built with web standards.
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  847. # [19:19] <uf0work> hey any ux designers here?
  848. # [19:19] <uf0work> i'm curious as to what tools you guys are using these days when creating wireframes
  849. # [19:20] <uf0work> is adobe illustrator or indesign.. or what
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  851. # [19:20] <uf0work> I'm a pure front end dev.. so curious
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  853. # [19:21] <dahlfors_> usually omnigraffle
  854. # [19:21] <dahlfors_> there are a few other modern tools aimed for mobile uis and web site interfaces
  855. # [19:21] <dahlfors_> many of them are made only for os x though
  856. # [19:22] <uf0work> is omnigraffle the hip thing these days
  857. # [19:22] <dahlfors_> I sometimes use photoshop too, but it's not the fastest
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  860. # [19:22] <uf0work> ok cool
  861. # [19:22] <rtayco> I've been using Sketch
  862. # [19:22] <dahlfors_> no, the hip thing are those random other tools
  863. # [19:22] <uf0work> is it rare that folks use indesign or
  864. # [19:23] <uf0work> illustrator for wireframes?
  865. # [19:23] <dahlfors_> balsamiq is one of them
  866. # [19:23] <uf0work> ok cool
  867. # [19:23] <uf0work> what about Visio or Axure.. or those being less used these days?
  868. # [19:23] <dahlfors_> can't remember the names of the others I've seen
  869. # [19:24] <uf0work> alright
  870. # [19:24] <dahlfors_> those aren't for wireframing of websites and uis. more for wireframing softwares and such
  871. # [19:24] <scottkellum_busy> uf0work: http://upstatement.com/blog/2012/01/how-to-approach-a-responsive-design/ — they use indesign
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  875. # [19:25] <uf0work> scott.. would you prefer indesign
  876. # [19:25] <uf0work> over omnigraffle
  877. # [19:25] <scottkellum> pen+paper for me :)
  878. # [19:25] <uf0work> haha
  879. # [19:25] <uf0work> welp
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  881. # [19:26] <scottkellum> fore wires, I recommend whatever is the fastest for you.
  882. # [19:26] <uf0work> I'm not a designer myself.. i'm actually a developer css/html
  883. # [19:26] <uf0work> my tool is Sublime TExt 2!
  884. # [19:26] <scottkellum> If that’s indesign, illustrator, omnigraffle, or whatever. Wires need to be fast.
  885. # [19:26] <dahlfors_> the reason those guys chose indesign is because they were magazine people used to indesign
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  887. # [19:27] <uf0work> at my company they are interviewing... and I'm one of the guys that'd go for browser wireframing
  888. # [19:27] <uf0work> but I have no ideas
  889. # [19:27] <dahlfors_> pen+paper is nice too yes. or paper with post-its
  890. # [19:27] <uf0work> what designers err ux guys use
  891. # [19:27] <uf0work> i hear it's now... indesign, sketch, omnigraffle
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  893. # [19:27] <dahlfors_> then you can quickly shuffle around post-its
  894. # [19:28] <uf0work> but I want to be sure that the guy we get is hip to responsive
  895. # [19:28] <uf0work> design
  896. # [19:28] <uf0work> hense the reason I ask you guys
  897. # [19:28] <uf0work> what's being used...
  898. # [19:28] <dahlfors_> nothing exists for responsive design wireframing
  899. # [19:28] <dahlfors_> that's up to the person
  900. # [19:28] <uf0work> well he or she
  901. # [19:28] <uf0work> oh ok
  902. # [19:29] <uf0work> let me put it this way...
  903. # [19:29] <uf0work> I can take visio or axure off the list right?
  904. # [19:29] <uf0work> because those aren't meant for web
  905. # [19:29] <uf0work> as you guys just mentioned correct?
  906. # [19:29] <uf0work> like that I'll know that's like red flag
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  911. # [19:30] <dahlfors_> if it is ui, then probably not
  912. # [19:30] <uf0work> scottkellum: great article by the way.. thanks!
  913. # [19:31] <dahlfors_> in general, any software will do that the person is proficient in
  914. # [19:31] <dahlfors_> anything that will be able to make rectangles and such quickly
  915. # [19:31] <uf0work> dahlfors_: gotcha
  916. # [19:31] <dahlfors_> the usual workflow is boxes where things are placed
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  918. # [19:31] <dahlfors_> just short text describing it
  919. # [19:31] <dahlfors_> just for the first step
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  921. # [19:32] <dahlfors_> my personal grudge is illustrator people doing web stuff
  922. # [19:32] <dahlfors_> I've seen so many people who have no clue about doing gfx for web making gfx in illustrator
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  925. # [19:32] <uf0work> ahh
  926. # [19:32] <dahlfors_> it's ok for wireframing
  927. # [19:33] <uf0work> i see
  928. # [19:33] <dahlfors_> but I've seen deliveries that are pure crap. whenever you need to export the graphics, you basically need to remake half of it again
  929. # [19:33] <dahlfors_> since nothing matches real pixel sizes etc...
  930. # [19:34] <dahlfors_> I'd say, the most important part is that the person understands web. what's possible to do in css and how it is done, at least roughly
  931. # [19:35] <dahlfors_> because then the person can understand how to create the designs
  932. # [19:35] <uf0work> dahlfors_: got it
  933. # [19:35] <uf0work> dahlfors_: appreciate all this info
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  935. # [19:36] <dahlfors_> illustrator and indesign are mainly print / pdf softwares
  936. # [19:36] <scottkellum> I’m a designer, I use pen+paper. it really is just about what is fastest
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  938. # [19:36] <dahlfors_> for quick mockups / wireframes they have nifty features that photoshop doesn't. but for more final designs, neither fit the job like photoshop does
  939. # [19:36] <scottkellum> If code works better for you I would use a framework like Foundation or Bootstrap
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  945. # [19:39] <plm> Hi all
  946. # [19:40] <dahlfors_> uf0work: http://framebox.org/
  947. # [19:40] <dahlfors_> there's also a few services like that
  948. # [19:41] <plm> Anyone know if is possible html5 use the location service of android/ios for example? I would like to know exactaly where I'm using that feature
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  1005. # [20:32] <uf0work> cool
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  1021. # [20:53] <plm> Hey all, anyone know if is possible html5 use the location service of android/ios for example? I would like to know exactaly where I'm using that feature
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  1023. # [20:53] <moo-_-> yes
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  1026. # [20:54] <moo-_-> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
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  1039. # [21:03] <plm> moo-_-: thanks =D
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  1042. # [21:06] <plm> moo-_-: wow, detect exactaly where I'm, without gps, just cell towers, 1 feet error. So browser use for that OS location service (os dependency) or that gelocation JS support for all OS and works like as locatio service of android and ios for example?
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  1045. # [21:07] <moo-_-> plm: there is no magic hocus pocus, OS service is all you can use
  1046. # [21:07] <moo-_-> through geolocation AIP
  1047. # [21:07] <moo-_-> AP
  1048. # [21:07] <moo-_-> API
  1049. # [21:07] <moo-_-> it offers very limited functionality
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  1052. # [21:10] <plm> moo-_-: sorry, so that JS are using android location service, in my case that running in android?
  1053. # [21:10] <moo-_-> plm: yes
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  1055. # [21:10] <plm> moo-_-: well, ios and android has this, do you know if the windows phone has too?
  1056. # [21:11] * ericduran|away is now known as ericduran
  1057. # [21:11] <moo-_-> internet explorer
  1058. # [21:11] <moo-_-> hahhahahaha
  1059. # [21:11] <moo-_-> no, I don't know
  1060. # [21:11] <moo-_-> and after all these years with IE I frankly don't care
  1061. # [21:11] <plm> moo-_-: but I think that are there firefox/cheome for windows phone =D
  1062. # [21:11] <plm> not?
  1063. # [21:11] <moo-_-> no
  1064. # [21:11] <moo-_-> microsoft actively prevents it
  1065. # [21:12] <plm> opera ?
  1066. # [21:12] <plm> =D
  1067. # [21:12] <moo-_-> nothing
  1068. # [21:12] <moo-_-> stick with IE
  1069. # [21:12] <plm> shit
  1070. # [21:12] <plm> moo-_-: and IE not support that geolocation?
  1071. # [21:12] <moo-_-> check microsoft documentation what it supports and what it doesn't
  1072. # [21:12] <plm> ok
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  1090. # [21:32] <dannydagger> why do people use jquery plugins for html5 videos?
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  1094. # [21:34] <graphettion> dannydagger: It's easier.
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  1102. # [21:37] <dannydagger> graphettion: easier how? just curious
  1103. # [21:38] <graphettion> You just put in a script and it does the magic for you like any jquery plugin.
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  1106. # [21:38] <dannydagger> do people consider it hard embedding a video just by using html?
  1107. # [21:38] <dannydagger> there must be something more to it?
  1108. # [21:38] <moo-_-> dannydagger: because jQuery is all they know
  1109. # [21:38] <moo-_-> http://www.mikedoesweb.com/2012/jquery-math-finally-solved/
  1110. # [21:39] <moo-_-> they have not researched or read tutorials
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  1112. # [21:39] <graphettion> It's because some browsers only support specific formats.
  1113. # [21:39] <graphettion> So you need fallbacks.
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  1115. # [21:39] <moo-_-> graphettion: you know, HTML5 supports fallbacks natively
  1116. # [21:40] <moo-_-> only if you need to support old IEs then you fallback to flash, but that problem is not in jQuery domain
  1117. # [21:40] <graphettion> moo-_-: You know IE7 and IE8 are flash.
  1118. # [21:40] <dannydagger> I see, how about sizing the videos to cover the whole screen? do you need a plugin for what? because i have a 720p video that simply wont fit the browser, which it should regarding the resolution
  1119. # [21:40] <dannydagger> considering the resolution i mean
  1120. # [21:40] <moo-_-> dannydagger: html5 video supports full screen natively
  1121. # [21:41] <dannydagger> moo-_-: I can get the height 100% but the width 100% just wont fill it all the way
  1122. # [21:41] <moo-_-> dannydagger: aspect ratio issue?
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  1125. # [21:42] <dannydagger> moo-_-: the video is 1280x720p
  1126. # [21:42] <moo-_-> dannydagger: if the video does not match your screen aspect ration?
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  1128. # [21:43] <moo-_-> you should not stretch both width 100% and height 100%
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  1131. # [21:43] <dannydagger> oh? how can i get it to cover the screen on resolutions in a nice way then?
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  1133. # [21:44] <moo-_-> dannydagger: you edit the source material or you leave black bands around the video
  1134. # [21:45] <dannydagger> to 1920x1080 i guess you mean?
  1135. # [21:45] <moo-_-> no
  1136. # [21:46] <moo-_-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_%28image%29
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  1138. # [21:46] <jakobud> is anyone here familiar with the geolocation API?
  1139. # [21:47] <moo-_-> jakobud: metaquestions are pointless in IRC conversation
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  1141. # [21:48] <jakobud> okay, with the geolocation API, when the browser asks the user for geolocation permission and the user chooses to close the dialog instead of hitting Allow or Deny, is there a callback for this?
  1142. # [21:48] <dannydagger> moo-_-: cool thanks, but I dont know if I am being retarded right now but.. I couldn't set a ratio that will cover all screens could I?
  1143. # [21:48] <moo-_-> dannydagger: yes, you canät
  1144. # [21:48] <moo-_-> dannydagger: so you stretch (ugly ugly ugly)
  1145. # [21:48] <moo-_-> dannydagger: or zoom in the middle of the video and clip it on the edges
  1146. # [21:49] <moo-_-> or just live whitespace around somewhere
  1147. # [21:49] <dannydagger> ok so the best solution is to leave some black space around the video and then set bg to black?
  1148. # [21:49] <moo-_-> dannydagger: yes
  1149. # [21:49] <dannydagger> ok cool thanks
  1150. # [21:50] <moo-_-> jakobud: AFAIK that case is not deteted
  1151. # [21:50] <moo-_-> at least not with Firefox last time I checked
  1152. # [21:50] <moo-_-> jakobud: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Using_geolocation
  1153. # [21:50] <moo-_-> maybe the situation has changed
  1154. # [21:50] <jakobud> yeah I can't find anything about it
  1155. # [21:51] <graphettion> moo-_-: Have you created a fallback in Flash for old IE browsers?
  1156. # [21:51] <graphettion> Just curious.
  1157. # [21:52] <moo-_-> graphettion: yes
  1158. # [21:52] <graphettion> And you only used Flash?
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  1160. # [21:52] <moo-_-> of course not
  1161. # [21:52] <graphettion> Ah, kk
  1162. # [21:52] <moo-_-> javascript must be involved in any case
  1163. # [21:52] <graphettion> True.
  1164. # [21:53] <moo-_-> but good night
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  1166. # [21:53] <graphettion> Exactly my point why there are jQuery plugins.
  1167. # [21:54] <graphettion> I'm not saying they are the best approach, but I'm just saying why they exist.
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  1213. # [22:43] <basiclaser> how does one make background image conform to resolution, or centralise it ? I cant find the attributes online
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  1220. # [22:51] <graphettion> basiclaser: http://css-tricks.com/perfect-full-page-background-image/
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  1223. # [22:54] <basiclaser> graphettion: thanks :D
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  1226. # [22:54] <graphettion> np
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  1261. # [23:32] <graphettion> Who on Earth would use any doctype other than HTML5?
  1262. # [23:32] <graphettion> Ugh, frustrating.
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