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  17. # [00:17] <droprain> hi
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  49. # [00:54] <scar> how can i draw an image on top of another image?
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  419. # [12:47] <wiherek> i have a html5 app, id like to monetize it. What are the best ad networks besides google adsense?
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  838. # [20:26] <h4xx> hello!
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  849. # [20:37] <h4xx> hi! could someone help me with a parameter of <link> ?
  850. # [20:37] <h4xx> <link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
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  853. # [20:38] <leonvv> h4xx, what is the problem?
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  855. # [20:38] <h4xx> this is my code. but what does type= "text/css" mean?
  856. # [20:39] <h4xx> i'm very beginner level, and my girlfriend wrote a simple code for me to practice. but she"s not here so I can"t ask her
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  859. # [20:40] <h4xx> the first part is to link the css to my page. that I know
  860. # [20:40] <leonvv> Well, it specifies that the file you're linking to contains text that should be parsed as CSS. I think it would work without the style attribute too, but it's nice to keep your code valid.
  861. # [20:40] <h4xx> oh okay
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  863. # [20:41] <h4xx> it's to keep the code accurate
  864. # [20:41] <h4xx> I see
  865. # [20:41] <h4xx> ty
  866. # [20:41] <leonvv> yw
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  872. # [20:47] <h4xx> it's realy hard to read the code u didn't write yourself
  873. # [20:47] <h4xx> ``
  874. # [20:47] <leonvv> h4xx: true
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  877. # [20:47] <leonvv> That's why there are coding-style guidelines
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  880. # [20:50] <h4xx> I understand.
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  882. # [20:51] <h4xx> But I'm still super beginner. Still learning Step by step
  883. # [20:51] <Andre_designer> h4xx: maybe you have somthing on this http://freecourses.tutsplus.com/30-days-to-learn-html-and-css/#introduction
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  885. # [20:53] <h4xx> cool! looks much better than the things I found :) ty
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  889. # [20:56] <h4xx> does <a href="#">Link</a> link back to index? or whats the point.
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  893. # [20:57] <h4xx> almost every <a> has the #
  894. # [20:58] <h4xx> I guess she was just lazy typing a real link?
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  896. # [20:58] <Andre_designer> i though maybe it helps. what also good videotutials are that are videotutorials from lynda.com (not free) and for learning css is the (ebook) css the missing manual
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  898. # [20:59] <Andre_designer> a href="#">Link</a> is empty link
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  909. # [21:01] <baron0> h4xx: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/a
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  921. # [21:10] <h4xx_> got another q. When I create a <div id="LeftSide"> which contains a h2, how do I address this header in the .css? just #Leftside h2 {whateverstlye} ?
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  924. # [21:14] <kkrikk> That'll do
  925. # [21:15] <Andre_designer> h4xx_: search on google for specificity http://www.htmldog.com/guides/css/intermediate/specificity/
  926. # [21:15] <kkrikk> But Ids are case-sensitive
  927. # [21:15] <h4xx_> aptana links them in :)
  928. # [21:16] <h4xx_> fills in the correct ones from a list.
  929. # [21:16] <h4xx_> but ty again
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  931. # [21:17] <Andre_designer> and a id must be unique in html/(css)
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  933. # [21:18] <Andre_designer> use otherwise a class
  934. # [21:21] <Andre_designer> kkrikk: a class is also case-sensitive
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  936. # [21:21] <shahin8r> Hey guys, I've been working on this portfolio site and wanted to know what you guys think of it. Bear in mind that I've only been web developing for about a year now, so be gentle. :) Any feedback is appreciated: http://shahin8r.com/
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  939. # [21:24] <h4xx_> as an example: I use <a class> for my left and right text field to address them both with 1 code in css and ID to specify the middle of my page? sry my english is limited :S
  940. # [21:24] <moo-_-> shahin8r: +1 for using sublime text
  941. # [21:24] <Andre_designer> nice for someone who doing webdesigning for a year. my sites where after a year less beautyfull!!
  942. # [21:24] <shahin8r> moo-_-: haha thanks, that's a start :)
  943. # [21:25] <shahin8r> Andre_designer: thank you very much
  944. # [21:26] <Andre_designer> its okay!!
  945. # [21:27] <h4xx_> looks cool! whats your thought behind the rather large space between your red and blue part?
  946. # [21:27] <shahin8r> h4xx_: lack of content :)
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  949. # [21:27] <shahin8r> h4xx_: i'll try to come up with some fancy text there soon, you're right.. it's a large gap between, too large
  950. # [21:28] <h4xx_> oh got it. when you click on the red, the site scrolls down
  951. # [21:28] <h4xx_> nice
  952. # [21:28] <Andre_designer> used after a year still tables for layout (wwwrrrrongg :) )
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  954. # [21:29] <shahin8r> h4xx_: yeah, the reason why its so big is that have a javascript that detects window size and makes the div the same size as window so the scrolling part works correctly and shows the whole div and nothing else
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  956. # [21:30] <shahin8r> h4xx_: try to resize window height and reload, and you'll understand
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  959. # [21:31] <h4xx_> smart
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  961. # [21:31] <h4xx_> works just fine
  962. # [21:31] <nonotza> hey everyone. I'm having a strange issue with Windows8 IE10 and I'm hoping someone can help me out. I have a page that has 2 youtube videos. They are both embedded the same exact way, but one I can view in full screen and the other I can not view in full screen. When I change the position of the embedded video in the markup, I am able to play it in full screen though. That leads me to believe perhaps there's something wrong in the markup elsewhe
  963. # [21:31] <nonotza> that's causing the bug.
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  976. # [21:37] <nonotza> so it looks like the video won't go in full screen mode when it's inside a <section>
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  979. # [21:38] <shahin8r> nonotza: you have url?
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  982. # [21:39] <nonotza> yes
  983. # [21:39] <nonotza> harms-software.clients.replaycreative.com/app_dev.php/about-us/history
  984. # [21:40] <nonotza> you'll notice the videos at the top of the page will play in full screen
  985. # [21:40] <nonotza> the video below the history heading does not play in full screen
  986. # [21:40] <nonotza> this is on windows 8 ie10
  987. # [21:41] <nonotza> they are embedded the same exact way
  988. # [21:41] <nonotza> however the videos inside the <section> tag don't play in full screen
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  990. # [21:42] <shahin8r> nonotza: your page looked great in chrome and safari on osx, but didn't work good on firefox it shows three videos with weird positioning
  991. # [21:43] <nonotza> that's because I'm debugging
  992. # [21:43] <nonotza> what didn't work on firefox?
  993. # [21:43] <nonotza> I added a bunch of videos
  994. # [21:43] <nonotza> I"ll take them off now though
  995. # [21:43] <shahin8r> oh ok, nvm then
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  1002. # [21:46] <h4xx_> on my ubuntu firefox the vid below history works in full screen mode, if that helps you :)
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  1006. # [21:47] <nonotza> it works fine on all other browsers :)
  1007. # [21:47] <h4xx_> oh ok
  1008. # [21:47] <nonotza> it's just ie10 on windows8 where it doesn't want to play in full screen
  1009. # [21:47] <nonotza> I'm pulling my hair out here ...
  1010. # [21:48] <shahin8r> haha that's strange as hell
  1011. # [21:48] <shahin8r> power up my windows 8 vm and saw the bug
  1012. # [21:49] <shahin8r> powered*
  1013. # [21:49] <nonotza> it's strange because I couldn't replicate the bug on browserstack's vm
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  1015. # [21:49] <nonotza> I had to come to the client's office to see it on their computer
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  1017. # [21:50] <nonotza> ok, so I know it's actually not the section tag that's messing things up
  1018. # [21:50] <nonotza> it happens only when it's inside a particular div
  1019. # [21:50] <shahin8r> have you tried playing with z-index?
  1020. # [21:50] <nonotza> I have not
  1021. # [21:50] <nonotza> what would you recommend?
  1022. # [21:50] <shahin8r> just set it to z-index: 999; to test
  1023. # [21:50] <nonotza> k
  1024. # [21:51] <nonotza> the embedded iframe?
  1025. # [21:51] <shahin8r> yes, or the div
  1026. # [21:51] <nonotza> ok
  1027. # [21:51] <nonotza> let me see
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  1030. # [21:52] <shahin8r> don't know if it has anything to do with your site, but ie just crashed when i tried to reload it :)
  1031. # [21:52] <nonotza> no dice
  1032. # [21:53] <nonotza> yeah … it's been crashing on this machine too when I try to load it
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  1034. # [21:53] <nonotza> why do you think that is?
  1035. # [21:53] <nonotza> do you know of a way to find out?
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  1037. # [21:53] <shahin8r> sorry man don't think i could help you here
  1038. # [21:53] <nonotza> np
  1039. # [21:53] <shahin8r> i would post this on stackoverflow or similar sites
  1040. # [21:54] <nonotza> the main issue is this full screen
  1041. # [21:54] <nonotza> yeah
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  1043. # [21:54] <nonotza> I think I'll do that
  1044. # [21:54] <shahin8r> seems like a juicy bug
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  1046. # [21:54] <shahin8r> good job with the rest of the site though
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  1048. # [21:55] <shahin8r> you might want to remove the dotted outline on elements when you click them
  1049. # [21:55] <nonotza> I'm not sure what you are referring to
  1050. # [21:55] <nonotza> thanks for the compliment too
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  1052. # [21:56] <shahin8r> when you click on the menu for example you get a dotted outline on it
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  1054. # [21:56] <nonotza> is that an i.e. thing?
  1055. # [21:56] <shahin8r> no, in every browser
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  1057. # [21:57] <shahin8r> http://db.tt/1qUELyEU
  1058. # [21:57] <shahin8r> like that
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  1060. # [21:57] <nonotza> do you know how to remove that?
  1061. # [21:57] <nonotza> isn't that used for accessibility purposes?
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  1063. # [21:57] <shahin8r> outline: 0; on the element
  1064. # [21:57] <nonotza> oh ok
  1065. # [21:58] <nonotza> awesome thanks
  1066. # [21:58] <shahin8r> np
  1067. # [21:58] <nonotza> ok
  1068. # [21:58] <nonotza> so I found the problem class
  1069. # [21:58] <nonotza> I removed the class and I can open up the video in full screen
  1070. # [21:59] <nonotza> let me see if that's a red herring though
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  1072. # [21:59] <nonotza> I'm removing another class to see if that also resolves the bug
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  1074. # [22:00] <nonotza> aha .. ok so the presence of the tab_content class is causing the bug
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  1077. # [22:02] <nonotza> the class seems so benign though
  1078. # [22:02] <nonotza> padding: 60px 115px 40px; border: 1px solid #e1e1e1; background: #fafafa;
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  1080. # [22:05] <nonotza> and removing the rules don't seem to do anything
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  1092. # [22:20] <bo_> can i remove a localStorage value item? not the key
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  1097. # [22:26] <h4xx_> I got another newb question. the <div style> belongs into the html or the css?
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  1099. # [22:27] <t4nk105> hi
  1100. # [22:27] <moo-_-> h4xx_: <div> is HTML element
  1101. # [22:27] <moo-_-> style="" is inline CSS inside HTML page
  1102. # [22:27] <h4xx_> ah okay
  1103. # [22:27] <h4xx_> ty
  1104. # [22:27] <moo-_-> inline CSS is strongly discouraged. CSS should be put to separate .css file and connected to HTML via ids and classes.
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  1106. # [22:28] <h4xx_> html for content, css for style :)
  1107. # [22:28] <h4xx_> i'll give it a try
  1108. # [22:28] <moo-_-> h4xx_: good
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  1112. # [22:30] <t4nk105> is it possible to create a native HTML5 App for IOS and Android devices?
  1113. # [22:30] <moo-_-> t4nk105: what is "native HTML5 app"
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  1115. # [22:31] <moo-_-> sounds like something from Microsoft marketing department
  1116. # [22:31] <t4nk105> an app on a mobile device that is coded with html5
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  1118. # [22:31] <moo-_-> t4nk105: good
  1119. # [22:31] <moo-_-> t4nk105: you can create hybrid apps with Phonegap (most popular open source solution)
  1120. # [22:31] <t4nk105> ah..
  1121. # [22:31] <moo-_-> t4nk105: but there must be reason why you would do so
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  1123. # [22:32] <moo-_-> t4nk105: instead of having a HTML5 based mobile site
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  1127. # [22:32] <moo-_-> t4nk105: and unless you really need some specific native feature, you should really consider cost-benefits ratio
  1128. # [22:33] <t4nk105> well..
  1129. # [22:33] <bo_> how can i just remove a specific localStorage value when a button is clicked?
  1130. # [22:34] <bo_> i can easily remove the whole key, but not a specific value
  1131. # [22:34] <moo-_-> bo_: hash maps do not provide value loookup
  1132. # [22:34] <moo-_-> bo_: this problem is not specific to localStorage
  1133. # [22:34] <moo-_-> bo_: you need to use different data structures for your problem
  1134. # [22:34] <moo-_-> bo_: like storing an array in localStorage
  1135. # [22:35] <bo_> i'm using an array but they all use the same key
  1136. # [22:35] <t4nk105> i was building a few apps with objective-c and want to be able to build a cross plattform app
  1137. # [22:35] <bo_> so should i create a new array with a new key/value for each item?
  1138. # [22:35] <moo-_-> bo_: 1) read array from localStorage 2) delete item in the array 3) write array back to the localStorage
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  1140. # [22:37] <t4nk105> also i think that the new firefox os will be a good thing and start learning html5
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  1142. # [22:37] <baron0> for (aKeys; aKeys.length > 0; aKeys.splice(0, 1)) { oStorage.removeItem(aKeys[0]); } // aKeys = localStorageArrayKeys :p
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  1144. # [22:37] <moo-_-> t4nk105: definitely
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  1146. # [22:37] <moo-_-> t4nk105: hybrid applications come with all sort of issues
  1147. # [22:37] <moo-_-> t4nk105: like you cannot use debugging tools with them very well (firebug, etc.)
  1148. # [22:37] <moo-_-> t4nk105: firefoxos is godsent
  1149. # [22:37] <bo_> bouble: will that work?
  1150. # [22:38] <t4nk105> so my plan is to create my next app with html5
  1151. # [22:39] <t4nk105> that is why im asking if it is possible to build a html5 app instead just a webside
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  1153. # [22:39] <moo-_-> t4nk105: then the question is
  1154. # [22:39] <moo-_-> t4nk105: why you need an app and why website is not enough for your users?
  1155. # [22:40] <t4nk105> i want to sell it :)
  1156. # [22:40] <moo-_-> t4nk105: usually the symptom is that you have you been drinking too much apple's koolaid
  1157. # [22:40] <moo-_-> t4nk105: monetization
  1158. # [22:40] <moo-_-> t4nk105: very good reason :)
  1159. # [22:40] <t4nk105> yes
  1160. # [22:40] <bo_> I'm just trying to create a simple To Do application, I need to use localStorage to store the items and then delete them
  1161. # [22:40] <bo_> the problem arises in deleting them
  1162. # [22:40] <moo-_-> t4nk105: then phonegap is way to go
  1163. # [22:40] <baron0> t4nk105: phoneGap
  1164. # [22:40] <baron0> lol
  1165. # [22:41] <t4nk105> ok ill try - thx a lot!
  1166. # [22:41] <t4nk105> ah..
  1167. # [22:41] <t4nk105> is phonegap for firefox os too?
  1168. # [22:41] <baron0> not now
  1169. # [22:41] <moo-_-> t4nk105: firefoxos does not need any kind of wrappers
  1170. # [22:42] <t4nk105> ok
  1171. # [22:42] <moo-_-> t4nk105: because firefoxos is "html5 by native"
  1172. # [22:42] <moo-_-> and the html5 apps are integrated
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  1174. # [22:42] <t4nk105> i see
  1175. # [22:42] <moo-_-> t4nk105: so the experience is the same as you would directly develop a website
  1176. # [22:42] <moo-_-> very nice developer experience
  1177. # [22:42] <baron0> t4nk105: see post of Brian http://phonegap.com/blog/2013/06/20/coming-soon-phonegap30/
  1178. # [22:42] <moo-_-> now builds and wrapping needed
  1179. # [22:42] <moo-_-> no
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  1181. # [22:42] <t4nk105> great news here! thx guys
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  1199. # [22:55] <t4nk105> WOW - PhoneGap is incredible! So what's the catch?
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  1203. # [23:00] <moo-_-> t4nk105: it's difficult to debug
  1204. # [23:01] <moo-_-> t4nk105: it doesn't make old android 2.x devices magically bug free
  1205. # [23:01] <moo-_-> t4nk105: iOS webkit doesn't use JavaScript JIT making it 2x - 5x slower
  1206. # [23:01] <moo-_-> etc.
  1207. # [23:03] <t4nk105> ok so better don't code racer games on phonegap you mean, but apps that just use a few animations should be fine
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  1211. # [23:06] <moo-_-> t4nk105: exactly
  1212. # [23:06] <t4nk105> cool thank you.
  1213. # [23:06] <moo-_-> t4nk105: there is also #phonegap IRC channel here on freenode
  1214. # [23:07] <t4nk105> but i like you so much ;)
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  1221. # [23:15] <moo-_-> t4nk105: well, you can be on many IRC channels simultaneously and like us on every channel :P
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  1223. # [23:16] <t4nk105> sure :)
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  1256. # [23:39] <h4xx_> i'm working on a footer that stays at the bottom of the page, but this doesn't quite work. anyone got an idea what i'm doing wrong?
  1257. # [23:39] <h4xx_> #footer {
  1258. # [23:39] <h4xx_> position:absolute;
  1259. # [23:39] <h4xx_> bottom:0;
  1260. # [23:39] <h4xx_> width:100%;
  1261. # [23:39] <h4xx_> height:40px; /* Height of the footer */
  1262. # [23:39] <h4xx_> background:#6cf;
  1263. # [23:40] <h4xx_> }
  1264. # [23:41] <h4xx_> when I open index.html its always at the bottom, but when i scroll down it stays where it is
  1265. # [23:41] <h4xx_> and moves up with the scrolling
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  1267. # [23:44] <David_Bradbury> So you want fixed, not absolute
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  1271. # [23:46] <h4xx_> uhmm that was easy lol
  1272. # [23:46] <h4xx_> thanks hahaha
  1273. # [23:47] <David_Bradbury> :)
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