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  96. # [01:58] <cpm__> Hello from Paris! My browser (Firefox) says me that <a href="http://youargegood.com/toto?id=1&size=12>qd</a> is incorrect because of "&". What is the way in HTML5 to write a URL with parameters?????? :-)
  97. # [01:58] <cpm__> (or XHTML5)
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  100. # [02:02] <cpm__> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3493405/do-i-really-need-to-encode-as-amp/3493425#3493425
  101. # [02:02] <cpm__> It suggests to replace & by &amp;
  102. # [02:02] <cpm__> in URL!!!!
  103. # [02:02] <leonvv> cmp__: Did you try that?
  104. # [02:03] <leonvv> Hello back from the Netherlands btw :)
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  108. # [02:05] <cpm__> leonvv, yes, it works! But :-/
  109. # [02:05] <cpm__> The :-/ is for this necessary replace.
  110. # [02:06] <leonvv> cpm__: Life is hard
  111. # [02:06] <cpm__> "Keep this point in mind; if you're not escaping & to &amp;, it's bad enough for data that you create"
  112. # [02:07] <cpm__> leonvv, hahahahhaa, yes, Life is hard but it's worth it.
  113. # [02:08] <cpm__> leonvv, many thanks for your reading. :o)
  114. # [02:08] <leonvv> cpm__: You're welcome :)
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  481. # [13:32] <h4xx_> hi all!
  482. # [13:33] <h4xx_> i'm an absolute beginner to html.
  483. # [13:33] <moo-_-> h4xx_: please in that case check the links in the topics and they should help you get started
  484. # [13:33] <h4xx_> i got a problem with my css. is it ok if i ask here? or only html
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  487. # [13:34] <h4xx_> ok
  488. # [13:35] <moo-_-> h4xx_: there is also specific channelf or CSS questions, #css
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  497. # [13:42] <Smashcat> Hi, does anyone know if Firefox will be supporting h264 in the video tag at some point?
  498. # [13:43] <moo-_-> Smashcat: yes
  499. # [13:43] <moo-_-> AFAIK it already does it on Win7+ and Android
  500. # [13:43] <moo-_-> by using the operating system codecs
  501. # [13:44] <Smashcat> moo-_- : Hmm, doesn't seem to on Win8. Can go directly to the video and it plays fine, but via the video tag it fails as the "format is not supported". Seems bizarre, but still.
  502. # [13:45] <moo-_-> Smashcat: http://www.ghacks.net/2013/06/23/firefox-24-for-linux-gets-native-mp3-aac-and-h-264-support/
  503. # [13:46] <Smashcat> moo-_-: Must be something up with this PC then. I'll try it on another one.
  504. # [13:47] <moo-_-> Smashcat: are you sure your PC can play h264?
  505. # [13:47] <Smashcat> moo-_-: Or I guess it's probably better to keep using Flash at the moment, until there's better support.
  506. # [13:47] <Smashcat> moo-_-: Yeah, in fact as I said, Firefox can play it fine if I go directly to the video file, but the video tag cannot play it.
  507. # [13:49] <Smashcat> moo-_-: Actually, I don't need controls or anything, so I can just load it into an iframe :)
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  533. # [14:36] <pfFredd> Hey guys.. could anyone update me a bit on what the best practices are for making an offline dynamic html5 mobile app that gets its content from an online database? I want it to be able to update if there is a connection and if there is not, use the last downloaded data? What I'm most curious about is how to store this data (from the database online) on the device?
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  535. # [14:37] <h4xx__> hi guys
  536. # [14:37] <h4xx__> can i put an id plus class on <div>?
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  564. # [15:22] <Smashcat> h4xx__: yes
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  574. # [15:33] <RanzQ> hi, how should I activate 'non-core detects' in modernizr?
  575. # [15:34] <RanzQ> I toggled a couple of them for a custom build but I'm not getting the html classes
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  601. # [16:07] <RanzQ> nvm, I hadn't pressed "generate" after selecting additional detects
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  710. # [17:39] <dolphone> hi, in html5, is it legal to make a div like this: <div> ...with no closing tag?
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  716. # [17:48] <eddief1029> no it isn't, you still have to close div tags
  717. # [17:49] <dolphone> but some tags you dont need the closing tag, or the / in a singleton? for example the img tag can be just <img src="69420.png">, right?
  718. # [17:51] <eddief1029> correct
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  720. # [17:51] <dolphone> okay, cool. thank you
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  755. # [18:09] <dolphone> duh
  756. # [18:09] <dolphone> ry
  757. # [18:09] <b-ot> dolphone: There was an error when I tried to join Error: Forwarding to another channel: undefined
  758. # [18:09] <dolphone> s..ry. ...nm
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  768. # [18:14] <LiENUS> this is probably a stupid question... but i have a ul with nested uls as well for a menu in the sidebar, currently for the currently selected option i add a class "selected" to the selected li for whatever section im in at the moment, is there a semantic markup intended to address the current item in a menu?
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  825. # [18:46] <KK4MGV> in my blog, all posts are written by me, and i have contact information in the footer. so it seems to make sense to put it in an <address> in a <footer>
  826. # [18:46] <KK4MGV> however, the spec (http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/sections.html#the-address-element) says the <address> should only be associated with an ancestor <article>
  827. # [18:46] <KK4MGV> my <footer> is not in my <article>, it is in my <body>
  828. # [18:46] <KK4MGV> so, should i keep the <address> in the <footer> because that's what i think makes more sense, or put it in the <article> so that semantic-evaluating software that follows the spec will be able to associate my contact info with my articles?
  829. # [18:46] <KK4MGV> another problem is that i have multiple <article>s but only one <footer>, and I only want to list my contact info once (and have one page footer)
  830. # [18:47] <KK4MGV> the spec does mention putting <address>es in <footer>s but it doesn't make any recommendations about how that should be interpreted semantically
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  850. # [19:04] <LiENUS> KK4MGV, i believe you want microdata not <address>
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  852. # [19:05] <LiENUS> however html5doctor shows them using it in a footer with reccomendations http://html5doctor.com/the-address-element/
  853. # [19:06] <LiENUS> it looks like as long as the address is the author of the document and not just a random address then you are using it correctly
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  857. # [19:08] <LiENUS> the link you posted seems to confirm that in the footer section
  858. # [19:08] <KK4MGV> it says you may, but it also seems to imply that semantic evaluators should only tie it to a parent <article>
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  860. # [19:09] <LiENUS> i think thats going to be up to the specific semantic evaluator they are quite vague about it
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  864. # [19:11] <LiENUS> "The contact information for a node node is a collection of address elements defined by the first applicable entry from the following list:"
  865. # [19:11] <LiENUS> look at that section
  866. # [19:11] <LiENUS> it describes an inheretence of contact information
  867. # [19:13] <LiENUS> if no address is given for an <article /> element it looks like it is saying it falls back to the <body /> element and the <body /> element uses its children to find contact information
  868. # [19:13] <KK4MGV> sweet, i missed that
  869. # [19:14] <KK4MGV> and thanks for mentioning microdata, I hadn't come across it before
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  874. # [19:15] <LiENUS> KK4MGV, just a heads up on microdata apparently theres some political stuff going on as html5 has two defining bodies, theres whatwg html5 and w3c html5, w3c favors RDFa and whatwg favors microdata, as you can see by the topic of this channel this seems to be a whatwg chatroom so microdata is likely to be favored here
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  878. # [19:16] <LiENUS> either one should work and i've always favored microdata myself hence why i mentioned it first
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  893. # [19:28] <tantek> LIENUS, KK4MGV, there is no WHATWG HTML5, there is only WHATWG HTML
  894. # [19:28] <tantek> the only HTML5 is now W3C HTML5
  895. # [19:28] <tantek> in terms "what is favored", why are you picking by what is favored in a chat room? that makes no sense at all.
  896. # [19:28] <LiENUS> tantek, eh i forgot about that aspect of it, but the topic of the channel is still calling it html5 spec for developers then linking to the whatwg
  897. # [19:28] <tantek> pick the simplest thing that works
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  899. # [19:28] <LiENUS> tantek, i mentioned the one i use first
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  901. # [19:29] <tantek> LIENUS - looks like the channel topic is quite out of date then, as WHATWG hasn't called the spec "HTML5" in quite some time (years)
  902. # [19:29] <LiENUS> tantek, lol the channel topic is indeed years out of date looking at it
  903. # [19:29] <LiENUS> about 2 years out of date
  904. # [19:29] <LiENUS> though i thought i heard about the whatwg decision further back than that
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  1070. # [22:09] <vlad_starkov> Question: How hard is it to learn HTML5 Canvas to make impressive dynamic 2D animation?
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  1072. # [22:10] <darkmatter412> zup, I want to 'disable' an edit box but I still want its content to be posted.. which it's not
  1073. # [22:10] <moo-_-> vlad_starkov: I think the question should be "how hard it is learn to 2d graphics programming to make impressive dynamic animations"
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  1075. # [22:10] <moo-_-> vlad_starkov: canvas is the easiest part there
  1076. # [22:10] <vlad_starkov> moo-_-: what is the hardest part?
  1077. # [22:11] <moo-_-> vlad_starkov: have specialized programming skills to make impressive 2d graphisc
  1078. # [22:12] <moo-_-> vlad_starkov: try here http://www.bitsnbites.eu/?p=112 for starters :)
  1079. # [22:12] <vlad_starkov> moo-_-: I feel quite confident in CoffeeScript/JS and understand CSS3. The most mysterious thing for me is Canvas.
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  1084. # [22:14] <vlad_starkov> moo-_-: Could you recommend me a good introductory book about Canvas?
  1085. # [22:14] <moo-_-> vlad_starkov: see the links in the channelt opic
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  1087. # [22:15] <vlad_starkov> moo-_-: Thanks
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  1089. # [22:16] <moo-_-> vlad_starkov: also saw this today http://impactjs.com/blog/2013/08/impact-1-23-and-new-jumpnrun-example
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  1091. # [22:17] <vlad_starkov> moo-_-: HTML5 opens truly wide horizons
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  1094. # [22:18] <graphettion> So many that you don't need a previous version. ;)
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  1096. # [22:21] <moo-_-> here is also another impressive 4kb demo port to javascrpt http://301.untergrund.net/elevated
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  1100. # [22:22] <vlad_starkov> Just a 1.5 year ago there were just few good examples of using HTML5 features. Today there are much more.
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  1106. # [22:31] <graphettion> If you got an html question, I wonder where you go. You go here, damn it!
  1107. # [22:31] <graphettion> lol
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  1130. # [22:49] <moo-_-> this is not a support channel :)
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  1132. # [22:52] <LiENUS> moo-_-, my html5 vendor doesnt offer support of html5 :(
  1133. # [22:52] <LiENUS> i wonder if my agile vendor will
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  1135. # [22:53] <moo-_-> LiENUS: you need to find new vendor then :)
  1136. # [22:53] <LiENUS> actually closest thing to a "vendor" i have would prolly be mozilla
  1137. # [22:54] <LiENUS> and they are dildos about html5 forms
  1138. # [22:54] <LiENUS> this makes me sads
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  1143. # [22:56] <darkmatter412> anyone familiar with a tinymce image uploader..something something?
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  1161. # [23:14] <graphettion> moo-_-: This isn't a support channel? What?
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  1167. # [23:18] <graphettion> I so confused. :P
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