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  1. # Session Start: Mon Sep 16 00:00:00 2013
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  18. # [00:31] <SamSagaZ> wich editor with autocomplete recommend me to use? i know that dont exist any soft like dreamweaver, but i can user an editor to create the code and debug it using Chrome developer tools
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  22. # [00:38] <sjeeke> Brackets or Sublime
  23. # [00:39] <SamSagaZ> mm dont know if work under freebsd, will check it
  24. # [00:39] <SamSagaZ> thanks
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  28. # [00:44] <sjeeke> Sorry, didn't realise. I think Sublime Text has a Linux version.
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  31. # [00:48] <sunbeam> does anyone know a good slider plugin that has a progress bar?
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  34. # [00:57] <mattypants> hi
  35. # [00:57] <mattypants> Why does Mozilla categorize the HTML spec into categories other than by content model? As in: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/HTML5/HTML5_element_list
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  56. # [01:35] <SamSagaZ> Guys, im making my workstation tools selections to start developing some websites under FreeBSD. Want to know what tools recommend me, I already choce Chrome develop tools for code debug and test, want some editor that have autocomplete and syntaxis highlight to create the code/new files. Can someone recommend me some? Try to get sublime text working under freebsd whitout luck :(
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  63. # [01:47] <dahlfors_> freebsd is probably one of the last os:es I'd pick for web development
  64. # [01:48] <SamSagaZ> :S
  65. # [01:48] <SamSagaZ> im just familiar becuase use it as server for like 10 years :/
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  67. # [01:48] <dahlfors_> you will be better off with linux / os x / windows for web dev
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  69. # [01:49] <dahlfors_> especially as soon as you need to do some css
  70. # [01:50] <dahlfors_> type render engines vary a lot depending on system
  71. # [01:50] <dahlfors_> windows & os x are quite the majority of systems, and you want type to render well on those
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  73. # [01:51] <dahlfors_> I run freebsd for my file server as well. I wouldn't ever dream of using freebsd for webdev. Currently I use os x for that
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  75. # [01:52] <SamSagaZ> oh, ok
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  108. # [03:13] <KK4MGV> SamSagaZ: props for running freebsd! I think it's an awesome OS
  109. # [03:13] <KK4MGV> as long as you get XFT working properly it'll render all the text identically to how it would be on linux, so don't worry about that
  110. # [03:14] <KK4MGV> You should still test things on multiple platforms / browsers regardless of what OS you're doing your development on, so pick whatever you like best
  111. # [03:15] <SamSagaZ> problem is to get tools like sublime text to edit the .html code :/
  112. # [03:15] <SamSagaZ> KK4MGV: i cant figure wich to use
  113. # [03:15] <KK4MGV> well, linux compat mode is kinda meh
  114. # [03:15] <KK4MGV> personally i just use vim
  115. # [03:15] <KK4MGV> with plugins it's great
  116. # [03:15] <SamSagaZ> will will try to use vim then :)
  117. # [03:16] <KK4MGV> check out youcompleteme
  118. # [03:16] <SamSagaZ> ok
  119. # [03:17] <KK4MGV> (not too helpful for web dev, but just in general a great addition to vim)
  120. # [03:17] <KK4MGV> btw, if you really like customizing your editor, just start with emacs
  121. # [03:17] <SamSagaZ> youcompleteme looks nice
  122. # [03:17] <KK4MGV> viml is horrible, elisp is much better
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  124. # [03:18] <KK4MGV> if you're fond of vim bindings, check out evilmode
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  126. # [03:18] <SamSagaZ> i use vi in console
  127. # [03:18] <KK4MGV> same
  128. # [03:18] <SamSagaZ> so maybe vim will be a nice choice
  129. # [03:18] <SamSagaZ> just looking some autocomplete addons
  130. # [03:19] <KK4MGV> oh wait, by "in console" did you mean just running vi in a terminal to edit files, not as your line editor?
  131. # [03:19] <KK4MGV> because i dont know anybody who uses gvim
  132. # [03:19] <SamSagaZ> yes
  133. # [03:19] <SamSagaZ> i use vi via ssh
  134. # [03:19] <KK4MGV> yeah, so use vim via ssh
  135. # [03:20] <KK4MGV> depending on what system you're on, vi is probably just a symlink to vim anyway
  136. # [03:20] <KK4MGV> so you're probably already using it without knowing it
  137. # [03:20] <KK4MGV> if you're looking at gvim...
  138. # [03:20] <KK4MGV> blargh
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  140. # [03:20] <KK4MGV> i thought you meant something more like vim-mode for zle
  141. # [03:20] <SamSagaZ> i use vi via SSH to manage my server, but at home i will use it under X
  142. # [03:20] <KK4MGV> if you're gonna go the route of graphical things, there are much better graphical things than gvim
  143. # [03:21] <KK4MGV> i assumed you were a fan of doing everything in a terminal
  144. # [03:21] <SamSagaZ> oh
  145. # [03:21] <SamSagaZ> no, no fan
  146. # [03:21] <KK4MGV> then yeah, i have lots of friends who really like sublime
  147. # [03:21] <SamSagaZ> i ALWAYS edited code (html, delphi, php, perl) trough windows :)
  148. # [03:21] <SamSagaZ> problem that sublime dont running under bsd :(
  149. # [03:21] <SamSagaZ> not ported yet
  150. # [03:22] <KK4MGV> and it probably never will be
  151. # [03:22] <KK4MGV> (too little market share)
  152. # [03:22] <KK4MGV> check out linux binary compatibility stuff
  153. # [03:22] <KK4MGV> i know openbsd just pulled a ton of shit to make that harder, but last i checked its still pretty straightforward in freebsd
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  156. # [03:23] <SamSagaZ> so you think that gvim is not good
  157. # [03:23] <SamSagaZ> ok
  158. # [03:24] <SamSagaZ> thinking to install ubuntu to run sublime
  159. # [03:24] <KK4MGV> its not that i think its not good, its just that if you're going to use graphical things anyway, there are better tools
  160. # [03:24] <SamSagaZ> :/
  161. # [03:24] <SamSagaZ> or still using windows to develop HTML
  162. # [03:24] <KK4MGV> if you're a terminal guy, then yeah, vim/emacs is pretty much the only way to go
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  168. # [03:31] <SamSagaZ> ok thanks KK4MGV
  169. # [03:31] <SamSagaZ> lets see what i can find :)
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  172. # [03:32] <SamSagaZ> btw, compiling youcompleteme now, problem with that kind of stuff is that i want to have multiple tabs to edit html, css, js,,....
  173. # [03:32] <SamSagaZ> but will check it
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  179. # [03:49] <KK4MGV> youcompleteme is just a vim plugin...
  180. # [03:49] <KK4MGV> you can still have multiple "tabs" with vim
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  197. # [04:24] <SamSagaZ> yeah i know thanks for your support KK4MGV
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  208. # [04:48] <mattypants> hi
  209. # [04:48] <mattypants> Are web publishers better off referring to the HTML5 Candidate Recommendation or the WHATWG's Living Standard for development purposes?
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  222. # [05:11] <LiENUS> just wanna make sure i've got this right the proper way to resize inputs is with css width property right? not with html attributes
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  224. # [05:13] <LiENUS> or should i be using size?
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  432. # [11:06] <liquid-s_> hi all
  433. # [11:06] <liquid-s_> is there a way to obfuscate the source of a video src url?
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  523. # [14:02] <fly2web> hi
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  525. # [14:03] <fly2web> how can i install scrollbar in the datalist?
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  530. # [14:09] <xec> -.-
  531. # [14:10] <xec> fly2web: i'm not entirely sure what that means
  532. # [14:10] <fly2web> ok
  533. # [14:10] <fly2web> i expain it
  534. # [14:10] <fly2web> to you
  535. # [14:10] <xec> fly2web: if you have set size for an element, you can give it overflow: auto; to get scrollbars?
  536. # [14:10] <fly2web> listen carefully.
  537. # [14:10] <xec> if there is overflow, that is
  538. # [14:11] <fly2web> i use chrome.
  539. # [14:11] <fly2web> i make datalist and there is many option
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  541. # [14:11] <xec> by datalist, do you mean <dl> ?
  542. # [14:11] <fly2web> so i can't see option entirely.
  543. # [14:12] <fly2web> <datalist></datalist>
  544. # [14:12] <fly2web> ok
  545. # [14:12] <fly2web> <option></option>
  546. # [14:12] <fly2web> xec? u understand myword?
  547. # [14:13] <xec> i see
  548. # [14:13] <fly2web> ok good
  549. # [14:13] <fly2web> i want scrollbar to see option
  550. # [14:14] <xec> that's the default behaviour
  551. # [14:14] <xec> if there's a lot of options, you'll get a scrollbar by default
  552. # [14:15] <fly2web> no, firefox is default, but chrome is not default.
  553. # [14:15] <xec> can you make a demo at jsfiddle.net with your code?
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  555. # [14:15] <xec> fly2web: i just tested chrome, and you do get a scrollbar there too, although the list is larger
  556. # [14:16] <fly2web> strange
  557. # [14:16] <fly2web> why i can't have scrollbar?
  558. # [14:16] <xec> can you make a demo at jsfiddle.net with your code?
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  560. # [14:17] <fly2web> what jsfiddle.net?
  561. # [14:18] <xec> yes... what part is confusing?
  562. # [14:19] <fly2web> i use chrome, i can't scrollbar in the fatalist.
  563. # [14:19] <fly2web> datalist
  564. # [14:19] <xec> can you show me? in a demo?
  565. # [14:20] <xec> because when i tested http://jsfiddle.net/V4ZFM/2/ in chrome, i get a scrollbar
  566. # [14:20] <fly2web> wait
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  572. # [14:24] <fly2web> <input type="text" list="a" name="a"/>
  573. # [14:24] <fly2web> <datalist id="a">
  574. # [14:24] <fly2web> <option value="1"></option>
  575. # [14:24] <fly2web> <option value="2"></option>
  576. # [14:24] <fly2web> <option value="3"></option>
  577. # [14:24] <fly2web> ..............
  578. # [14:24] <fly2web> <option value="1000"></option>
  579. # [14:24] <fly2web> </datalist>
  580. # [14:25] <fly2web> xec, look at it
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  582. # [14:25] <fly2web> i use chrome.
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  584. # [14:25] <xec> fly2web: at http://jsfiddle.net/ you can paste in code, hit save and then you get a new url you can post here
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  586. # [14:26] <fly2web> ok but there is now submit button.
  587. # [14:26] <xec> ok..?
  588. # [14:26] <fly2web> there is no submit button.
  589. # [14:26] <xec> there is a save button at the top
  590. # [14:26] <xec> or hit ctrl+s
  591. # [14:28] <fly2web> http://jsfiddle.net/Fg54B/
  592. # [14:28] <xec> put html in the field named "html"
  593. # [14:28] <fly2web> give me the answer.
  594. # [14:28] <xec> lol
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  599. # [14:29] <fly2web> xec? do you know it?
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  601. # [14:30] <xec> well, i can tell you why you're not getting a scrollbar in that demo of yours, there is no html in the html field - do you understand me?
  602. # [14:30] <xec> the whole point is you can show what's happening in the result field
  603. # [14:30] <fly2web> mm
  604. # [14:30] <fly2web> no
  605. # [14:31] <xec> did you see the demo i posted?
  606. # [14:31] <fly2web> this is not answer.
  607. # [14:31] <fly2web> no
  608. # [14:31] <xec> fly2web: http://jsfiddle.net/V4ZFM/2/
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  610. # [14:31] <xec> fly2web: do you see the input field in the result area?
  611. # [14:36] <fly2web> no i can't see, i use mac.
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  615. # [14:38] <xec> i didn't realise macs made people blind ;)
  616. # [14:39] <fly2web> xec
  617. # [14:39] <fly2web> i just know that why there is now scrollbar in the chrome?
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  627. # [14:46] <fly2web> http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/html5-datalist/
  628. # [14:46] <fly2web> xec: show that
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  742. # [17:03] <kode101> has anybody worked with recording user audio
  743. # [17:03] <kode101> .record
  744. # [17:04] <kode101> .recording
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  899. # [19:26] <iGrow> I can NOT using Filezilla make a new folder on the server how do I do it?
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  916. # [19:41] <Moo-_-> iGrow: I suggest you ask on Filezilla specific forum as the question is not HTML5 related
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  921. # [19:50] <iGrow> thank you Moo-_- do you happen to know location of fileziilla forum? Or shd I just search for it?
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  924. # [19:51] <Moo-_-> iGrow: if you feel lucky you could try "filezilla forum" in google.
  925. # [19:51] <Moo-_-> iGrow: and today is your lucky day :)
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  961. # [20:25] <patsToms> Moo-_-, greetings
  962. # [20:26] <patsToms> Moo-_-, just a random question - http://www.yearofmoo.com/ is your blog? -_-
  963. # [20:26] <Moo-_-> patsToms: not me
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  965. # [20:26] <Moo-_-> though I like the domain name very much
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  968. # [20:26] <patsToms> haha
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