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  21. # [00:20] <ob_oh> having trouble: http://jsfiddle.net/65XPq/ wanting canvas to appear like this: http://db.tt/E5a87wF6
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  101. # [02:13] <DRWhite> hi all, I am having an issue with my viewport. I can't set the page to default to the width of the device and not zoom, but still fit to the width even when device width is larrger or smaller.. can anyone assist please?
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  508. # [11:55] <NoobCube> Hello!
  509. # [11:56] <NoobCube> is it ok to warp multiple <span>'s with <a href> ?
  510. # [11:57] <NoobCube> for example:
  511. # [11:57] <NoobCube> <a href="#">
  512. # [11:58] <NoobCube> <span>text</span>
  513. # [11:58] <NoobCube> <span>text</span>
  514. # [11:58] <NoobCube> <span>text</span>
  515. # [11:58] <NoobCube> </a>
  516. # [11:59] <NoobCube> oh cmon
  517. # [11:59] <NoobCube> can someone answer please?
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  519. # [12:00] <NoobCube> hmm so many people here and no response :\
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  522. # [12:01] <NoobCube> conspiracy probably...
  523. # [12:01] <arnsa> hey
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  526. # [12:01] <arnsa> What would be a good reading for a beginner that wants to learn HTML?
  527. # [12:01] <NoobCube> w3c school
  528. # [12:01] <NoobCube> http://www.w3schools.com/
  529. # [12:02] <NoobCube> start from html and then move to html5
  530. # [12:02] <Moo-_-> no
  531. # [12:02] <Moo-_-> it is the worst site
  532. # [12:02] <NoobCube> why?
  533. # [12:02] <arnsa> w3c school sucks..
  534. # [12:02] <arnsa> everyone knows that
  535. # [12:02] <Moo-_-> http://www.w3fools.com/
  536. # [12:02] <arnsa> I wanted to show you the same site..
  537. # [12:02] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: the material there doesn't correspond modern best practices
  538. # [12:03] <Moo-_-> it teaches you to code like it is 1996
  539. # [12:03] <NoobCube> its ok for beginner to understand what tags do
  540. # [12:03] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: it encourages bad practices which beginners pick up
  541. # [12:03] <arnsa> Is http://diveintohtml5.info/ good for beginners?
  542. # [12:03] <Moo-_-> arnsa: yes
  543. # [12:04] <arnsa> Moo-_- huh, I thought it was aimed more into experienced HTML5 users :P
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  547. # [12:05] <Moo-_-> http://codeacademy.com/ is good if you have zero background
  548. # [12:05] <NoobCube> what advanced html looks like?
  549. # [12:05] <arnsa> Moo-_- I don't see any HTML5 there
  550. # [12:06] <arnsa> oh, I do now
  551. # [12:06] <arnsa> nvm
  552. # [12:06] <NoobCube> he has to learn html first no?
  553. # [12:07] <arnsa> NoobCube I have to learn HTML without bad practices first
  554. # [12:08] <bouble> why w3schools sucks ?
  555. # [12:08] <NoobCube> all you need to know is what each tag do
  556. # [12:08] <NoobCube> basic html explained good enough there imo
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  559. # [12:09] <NoobCube> ok can someone answer my question pls?
  560. # [12:10] <NoobCube> ...
  561. # [12:12] <arnsa> NoobCube just wait, why are you so impatient?
  562. # [12:13] <NoobCube> you got answer faster than me...
  563. # [12:13] <arnsa> maybe because someone knew the answer to my question?
  564. # [12:14] <NoobCube> I dont think I asked too hard question, its more about best practice
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  566. # [12:14] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: for example, putting inline CSS and JavaScript into HTML is considered no no
  567. # [12:14] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: and w3schools do it all the time
  568. # [12:15] <NoobCube> if I want to add margin to 1 item why I cant use inline css for it?
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  570. # [12:18] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2612483/whats-so-bad-about-in-line-css
  571. # [12:19] <NoobCube> sounds interesting lest see
  572. # [12:20] <arnsa> Moo-_- so I hope codeacademy doesn't use these bad practises, cuz I already started learning :?
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  574. # [12:22] <NoobCube> most of them say its easier to maintain, i can deal with it, but nothing more
  575. # [12:24] <NoobCube> http://www.codecademy.com/ looks like video game maybe it will be good for php but html can be learned faster imo
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  577. # [12:26] <NoobCube> why in there is / in the end of <img> tag?
  578. # [12:26] <NoobCube> <img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/codecademy-blog/assets/f3a16fb6.jpg" /> ?
  579. # [12:28] <bouble> there 2 types of tag
  580. # [12:29] <NoobCube> ?
  581. # [12:29] <NoobCube> where there is no closing tag I should add / in the end?
  582. # [12:29] <arnsa> <tag></tag> and <tag> />
  583. # [12:29] <arnsa> ^ 2 types of tags
  584. # [12:29] <NoobCube> what?
  585. # [12:30] <bouble> <tag /> arnsa :D
  586. # [12:30] <arnsa> NoobCube just read codeacademy's tutorials, don't scrool through tutorials without reading
  587. # [12:30] <NoobCube> I know this and its too basic
  588. # [12:30] <arnsa> well you obviously don't
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  590. # [12:30] <NoobCube> when there is no closing tag I should add / in the end?
  591. # [12:31] <NoobCube> like <img> <br> etc?
  592. # [12:32] <NoobCube> lol codeacademy explain the basics of the basic of basic, I tried to learn php all they show is how to echo...
  593. # [12:32] <arnsa> NoobCube so you started PHP from advanced stuff?
  594. # [12:33] <NoobCube> I just jumped in like some people who can't swim do :D
  595. # [12:36] <NoobCube> wait a sec, there is W3C standards right? and this is what show if you know html or not? so if they set the standard why would they teach bad practices?
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  597. # [12:37] <bouble> that depends
  598. # [12:37] <bouble> do you want to learn
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  600. # [12:37] <bouble> or immediatly do something but forget about it later ?
  601. # [12:38] <NoobCube> I know html, maybe my knowledge little outdated because all this industry changes radically each year or less
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  603. # [12:39] <NoobCube> the problem is when I learn something I will also forget it when I finish learning it...
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  605. # [12:39] <NoobCube> so I prefer to learn by doing
  606. # [12:41] <NoobCube> I can't understand why they can't rework forms and create normal buttons??
  607. # [12:41] <NoobCube> it can be hacked so easly
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  609. # [12:42] <NoobCube> but they add html player instead!
  610. # [12:42] <NoobCube> yoohoo
  611. # [12:43] <arnsa> hm, I wonder why <ul> tags are inside <li> tags? http://pastebin.com/6Dik8ELq
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  613. # [12:43] <NoobCube> its not
  614. # [12:43] <arnsa> check out once more..
  615. # [12:43] <NoobCube> ah its list inside list
  616. # [12:44] <NoobCube> i didn't check the first time
  617. # [12:44] <NoobCube> ol is ordered list, ul is unordered
  618. # [12:44] <arnsa> I know that
  619. # [12:44] <arnsa> ah nvm I understand now
  620. # [12:45] <NoobCube> someone please explain me this: you set text field as email then I open page source remove type="email" and its not check valid email anymore, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE??
  621. # [12:45] <NoobCube> really, are they kidding?
  622. # [12:46] <NoobCube> very nice html5
  623. # [12:48] <NoobCube> js can be turned of from browser??!
  624. # [12:49] <NoobCube> there is no one I can trust!
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  633. # [12:54] <NoobCube> even more: its impossible to edit <!-- comments --> but all the html code can be edited, this is lol
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  635. # [12:56] <arnsa> NoobCube what else do you do here besides complaining about everything?
  636. # [12:56] <NoobCube> :D
  637. # [12:56] <NoobCube> asking question and wait 50 min to get answer...
  638. # [12:57] <NoobCube> when you will know html and will want to something useful you will complain too...
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  640. # [12:58] <arnsa> I suppose you're not the only one in this channel who knows HTML...
  641. # [12:58] <NoobCube> what I said earlier is ok in your opinion?
  642. # [12:59] <NoobCube> so they all know this stuff also...
  643. # [12:59] <NoobCube> maybe they work in the industry so as long as they make money its ok...
  644. # [13:00] <NoobCube> just remember all tags and what they do and move on to learn css
  645. # [13:00] <arnsa> I'll stick to tutorials and books and what they say :)
  646. # [13:00] <NoobCube> html is just skeleton
  647. # [13:01] <NoobCube> believe me you wasting time
  648. # [13:01] <NoobCube> today you must know js and css to do sites
  649. # [13:01] <NoobCube> not talking about php
  650. # [13:01] <bouble> depends what website do you want to do
  651. # [13:02] <NoobCube> any
  652. # [13:02] <arnsa> NoobCube I have plenty of time, it doesn't hurt to learn something new
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  654. # [13:02] <NoobCube> so lear php and js
  655. # [13:02] <NoobCube> js= javascript
  656. # [13:02] <arnsa> NoobCube I don't want to.
  657. # [13:02] <NoobCube> :D
  658. # [13:02] <NoobCube> ok
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  660. # [13:02] <arnsa> and yea, php sucks
  661. # [13:03] <arnsa> even the creator of PHP knows that
  662. # [13:03] <NoobCube> you can learn asp if you want to
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  665. # [13:03] <NoobCube> you want to be web designer?
  666. # [13:03] <bouble> for a blog for exemple, you jeed to learn at least one programming language (php - python - c++ / java ...)
  667. # [13:03] <arnsa> and I can stick to python or c++ which I already know
  668. # [13:04] <arnsa> NoobCube look, I don't need any leads to what should I know if I want to be a web designer
  669. # [13:04] <bouble> need* -jeed
  670. # [13:04] <NoobCube> php is similar to c++ in many ways
  671. # [13:04] <arnsa> I already know all this stuff
  672. # [13:04] <arnsa> NoobCube that's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard
  673. # [13:05] <NoobCube> what thing?
  674. # [13:05] <arnsa> <NoobCube> php is similar to c++ in many ways
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  676. # [13:05] <NoobCube> in syntax
  677. # [13:06] <arnsa> uhm, so? Their purposes and working principles are totally different.
  678. # [13:06] <NoobCube> if you know for loop in c++ you can do it in php also etc.
  679. # [13:07] <arnsa> dude, for loop is a basic in c++ and most of the languages has it
  680. # [13:07] <arnsa> it's a basic in a programming overall
  681. # [13:07] <NoobCube> syntax...
  682. # [13:08] <arnsa> epic... you thing it's hard to learn a syntax of programming language? The hard part is to understand how it works, not the syntax.
  683. # [13:10] <NoobCube> lets say if you who know c++ and some who don't will start php you will move much much faster
  684. # [13:10] <arnsa> that's for sure
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  686. # [13:10] <NoobCube> that what I meant
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  688. # [13:11] <NoobCube> what is it?
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  691. # [13:13] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: it is spam
  692. # [13:14] <NoobCube> cool
  693. # [13:14] <NoobCube> :\
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  696. # [13:15] <NoobCube> wait a sec <b> is no more?
  697. # [13:15] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: <strong>
  698. # [13:15] <Moo-_-> no <br> either
  699. # [13:16] <NoobCube> one letter was much easier
  700. # [13:16] <NoobCube> what goes instead of br?
  701. # [13:17] <NoobCube> ?
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  703. # [13:17] <arnsa> strong
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  706. # [13:18] <NoobCube> strong is for bold, <br> is break line
  707. # [13:19] <arnsa> oh, right..
  708. # [13:19] <NoobCube> but if <br> changed what should I use instead?
  709. # [13:20] <NoobCube> and why every answer I find on stackoverflow one say its not good ans someone else say it good??
  710. # [13:21] <NoobCube> only thing I can learn from it is that I free to work as I want :\
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  712. # [13:22] <NoobCube> most problems in design is css, its good thing to master css imo...
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  715. # [13:22] <NoobCube> html is like 20% of site if not less
  716. # [13:23] <arnsa> NoobCube facepalm
  717. # [13:24] <NoobCube> you can do facepalm if you want to...
  718. # [13:24] <NoobCube> I know what I say.
  719. # [13:24] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: you put text inside <p></p>
  720. # [13:24] <arnsa> NoobCube oh yes you do... If i have a website with only <h1>Cool</h1> I think it's more than 20%
  721. # [13:24] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: and control the spacing with margin-bottom
  722. # [13:25] <NoobCube> html is just a "skeleton" when you will start designing your site with css you will understand what I mean
  723. # [13:26] <arnsa> NoobCube read what I and Moo-_- said once more...
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  725. # [13:26] <NoobCube> I use <p> if its still valid html tags, lol
  726. # [13:26] <NoobCube> html makes me sad
  727. # [13:26] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: reading w3school makes people sad
  728. # [13:26] <arnsa> NoobCube how old are you?
  729. # [13:27] <NoobCube> 11
  730. # [13:27] <arnsa> I can see that...
  731. # [13:27] <NoobCube> :\
  732. # [13:27] <NoobCube> 23
  733. # [13:27] <NoobCube> Moo you use html and css for long time?
  734. # [13:28] <NoobCube> html is some kind of fail that should be replaced or reworked.
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  736. # [13:28] <NoobCube> and all this standarts and best practices chaos
  737. # [13:29] <arnsa> NoobCube dudes who doesn't know how to properly use HTML should not use HTML
  738. # [13:29] <NoobCube> ok ok
  739. # [13:30] <NoobCube> can some one tell me if he think that its ok that you set type="email' for input field and I can just remove it and type anything there?
  740. # [13:32] <NoobCube> where is the logic?
  741. # [13:32] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: I have been doing HTML since 1995
  742. # [13:32] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: you never trust input and always validate it on the server-side
  743. # [13:32] <NoobCube> ok, what do you think about what I said about type="email'?
  744. # [13:33] <Moo-_-> consider internet hostile against your site
  745. # [13:33] <NoobCube> I do but still, why I cant edit <!-- comment but I can edit all the code??
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  747. # [13:33] <NoobCube> why, how , for what??
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  749. # [13:35] <NoobCube> or they do it for "average Joe" who can forget to add @ in his email address?
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  751. # [13:37] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: <input type="email"> behavior is browser specific
  752. # [13:37] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: I suggest you research the topic e.g. in developer.mozilla.org
  753. # [13:37] <NoobCube> ok but I can remove it in browser
  754. # [13:38] <arnsa> he told you to do a research...
  755. # [13:38] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: as I said it really doesn't matter what you do in the browser
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  757. # [13:38] <Moo-_-> NoobCube: because it is the server which processed the information and you can push whatever data you wish with HTTP POSTs
  758. # [13:38] <NoobCube> keep learning arnsa
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  760. # [13:40] <NoobCube> well only possible reason i can think of is to prevent wrong email address... but its not valid imo.
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  762. # [13:41] <arnsa> <th colspan="2">some stuff</th> <- how can I correctly add style attribue here?
  763. # [13:41] <NoobCube> they talk about standards while each browser process html as it want to.
  764. # [13:43] <NoobCube> i do it with class or style is not best practice
  765. # [13:43] <arnsa> NoobCube I'm doing in-line CSS now
  766. # [13:44] <NoobCube> <th style=" padding:5px;"></th>
  767. # [13:44] <NoobCube> rtc
  768. # [13:44] <NoobCube> *etc
  769. # [13:44] <NoobCube> you can add style="" to almost any element
  770. # [13:45] <NoobCube> but keep it inside tags < >
  771. # [13:45] <arnsa> NoobCube did you even see the code I psated?
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  773. # [13:45] <NoobCube> colspan="2"?
  774. # [13:45] <arnsa> y
  775. # [13:45] <NoobCube> you are limited in what you can do with html style
  776. # [13:46] <NoobCube> I never use it I just set class or style for it
  777. # [13:46] <NoobCube> there is border=" "
  778. # [13:46] <arnsa> well a tutorial is asking for me to change a color of this th element, so there should be a way...
  779. # [13:46] <NoobCube> try background="red"
  780. # [13:47] <NoobCube> if its not deprecated yet :D
  781. # [13:47] <arnsa> I need to add it with style
  782. # [13:47] <NoobCube> or color="red" to change font color
  783. # [13:47] <NoobCube> or color="#ff0000" if you want hex color
  784. # [13:47] <arnsa> can you listen to me at least once? I need to use *stye*
  785. # [13:47] <arnsa> style*
  786. # [13:48] <NoobCube> [14:44] <NoobCube> you can add style="" to almost any element
  787. # [13:48] <NoobCube> [14:44] <NoobCube> <th style=" padding:5px;"></th>
  788. # [13:48] <arnsa> NoobCube and then I asked how can I use it together with colspan, you didn't answer
  789. # [13:48] <NoobCube> what colspan do?
  790. # [13:48] <arnsa> you said you know HTML
  791. # [13:49] <arnsa> it's basics of html
  792. # [13:49] <NoobCube> people use html as skeleton only (at least I do)
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  794. # [13:49] <arnsa> so? It's still basics of html
  795. # [13:49] <NoobCube> I also don't have to prove anything...
  796. # [13:49] <NoobCube> <th colspan="" style=""></th>
  797. # [13:50] <arnsa> NoobCube so please stop helping me. I'll use someone else's help then
  798. # [13:50] <NoobCube> you can add elements inside tag
  799. # [13:50] <NoobCube> for example
  800. # [13:51] <NoobCube> <th colspan="" style"css style here" class="css class here">
  801. # [13:51] <NoobCube> but as I said before and everyone say using style="" is not best practice
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  803. # [13:52] <NoobCube> you can just place <th> and add class to it and modify its thru css, but you will earn it when you will learn css
  804. # [13:53] <NoobCube> *learn
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  813. # [13:57] <NoobCube> oh I found my answer (the one I asked like 2 hrs ago) in stackoverflow, thanks you for not answering me :)
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  816. # [13:58] <NoobCube> its ok to use <span>'s inside <a href>...
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  819. # [13:58] <NoobCube> and I think I will do what I want because there is no rules in html :D
  820. # [13:58] <NoobCube> bye bye!
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  825. # [14:02] <Moordziek> Hey guys, little question. I wanna make a tournamentbrackt system with html5 and javascript. What is the best way tovisualize the bracket? With table or with layers?
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  1006. # [17:04] <arnsa> Hm, I don't understand, what's the different between classes and IDs?
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  1015. # [17:14] <arnsa> anyone?
  1016. # [17:15] <scottkellum> arnsa: a class describes things where an ID is a specific name.
  1017. # [17:16] <arnsa> scottkellum what do you mean?
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  1020. # [17:17] <scottkellum> arnsa: when describing my cat I might uses classes: cat, small, female, tabby, orange but her ID would be “Cleo”
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  1022. # [17:18] <scottkellum> You can (should) only use an ID once, and they are generally used to bind Javascript behavior
  1023. # [17:19] <arnsa> I see..
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  1033. # [17:34] <Leo2013> how can i export a specified textfield from all html files of a site ? - can some1 help ?
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  1135. # [18:53] <developerjustin> Weird SVG graphics issue: using an SVG sprite for a row of social icons with PNG fallback. Works in Chrome and iOS simulator, but not on actual iOS device. Anyone seen anything like this?
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  1137. # [18:54] <scottkellum> svg is easily the most inconsistent tech I have dealt with recently
  1138. # [18:55] <developerjustin> @scottkellum lol yeah
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  1141. # [18:57] <scottkellum> developerjustin: I have had issues with iOS only rendering some chunks of SVG as well as scaling issues. Different methods of displaying SVG (inline, backgrounds and so on) seem to have different bugs.
  1142. # [18:58] <developerjustin> scottkellum: ah, gotcha. I thought that might be the case. Wanted to get some other input before I started banging around. Thanks!
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  1221. # [20:08] <Cheery> is there support for tablet devices in browsers?
  1222. # [20:08] <Cheery> REAL TABLETS LIKE WACOM
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  1225. # [20:10] <Moo-_-> Cheery: WELL THAT'S A THOUGH QUESTION
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  1227. # [20:11] <Moo-_-> currently there do not exist specific APIs for extended mouse like device information as far as I know
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  1230. # [20:12] <Cheery> I'll see whether touch API would include one
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  1253. # [20:31] <Cheery> ok.
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  1255. # [20:32] <Cheery> so I can't get pressure sensitivity into my web app, unless I implement it through a socket.
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  1271. # [20:43] <krenner> i have asked already on #friendly-coders but i think someone of you may solved this problem in the past
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  1273. # [20:43] <krenner> i really need your experience. I have bunch of buttons but i need to organize them in tree as here: http://anony.ws/i/2013/09/18/tSaeG.png
  1274. # [20:44] <Cheery> perhaps I should start #angry-coders
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  1276. # [20:44] <Cheery> krenner: you mean you seriously can't do that?
  1277. # [20:45] <krenner> Yes, it's first time when i faced with this kind of problem
  1278. # [20:45] <Cheery> first time you've faced with a problem you aren't familiar with?
  1279. # [20:46] <krenner> nope :)
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  1281. # [20:46] <Cheery> okay. is there maximum width of such button?
  1282. # [20:47] <Moo-_-> Cheery: most likely not - you could also do a browser extension (would limit to firefox, I guess)
  1283. # [20:47] <krenner> No, and it would be great to have few buttons in one leaf
  1284. # [20:48] <Cheery> what's your analysis on what you need to do?
  1285. # [20:48] <Cheery> (the thing you want to do is trivial btw.)
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  1287. # [20:49] <Cheery> I would do it, but you probably wont pay me anyway, so I'm restricted to guiding you.
  1288. # [20:49] <krenner> so, i need to group buttons in leafs. So, if i want three buttons in one leaf i will add them to one div.
  1289. # [20:49] <krenner> the second, is positioning this divs in css
  1290. # [20:50] <krenner> but the third with breaks my idea is how to add lines between leafs.
  1291. # [20:50] <Cheery> aren't you concerned about figuring out the size of each element?
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  1293. # [20:51] <krenner> and this lines should also have some text and symbols
  1294. # [20:51] <Cheery> the lines between nodes is simple: you either use 2D canvas or SVG
  1295. # [20:51] <krenner> in the background? and then put this buttons on this image?
  1296. # [20:52] <Cheery> well you do something like this:
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  1299. # [20:52] <Cheery> <div><canvas class="background"></canvas><div class="buttons"></div></div>
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  1303. # [20:53] <krenner> right
  1304. # [20:53] <Cheery> the parent div has rule position:relative;
  1305. # [20:53] <Cheery> the canvas has size
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  1307. # [20:53] <Cheery> er hmm.. the buttons div might not be needed
  1308. # [20:54] <Cheery> but that would have position absolute, left: 0 and top: 0
  1309. # [20:54] <Cheery> I can check that this works
  1310. # [20:54] <krenner> the canvas right?
  1311. # [20:55] <Cheery> I construct small example.
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  1314. # [20:56] <krenner> Huh, thanks. I have been delaying this problem for 4 days with hope i will solve this by time
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  1319. # [21:02] <Cheery> http://jsfiddle.net/CYUdB/
  1320. # [21:02] <Cheery> krenner: there you go
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  1322. # [21:03] <krenner> Let's study it
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  1324. # [21:04] <Cheery> http://jsfiddle.net/CYUdB/1/
  1325. # [21:05] <Cheery> http://jsfiddle.net/CYUdB/2/
  1326. # [21:06] <krenner> there is nothing to study. Thank you. Second and third example gaves me idea to position buttons relatively to other buttons
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  1329. # [21:07] <krenner> Pretty simple. Sorry for confusion. But i will show it to few people who might not know it :)
  1330. # [21:07] <Cheery> you might want to consider: margin-left: -50%; to make the left: refer to middle of the element.
  1331. # [21:07] <SamSagaZ> from where i can download the RIGHT html5 template? with right !DOCTYPE, base, lang...
  1332. # [21:07] <SamSagaZ> i mean where can i get that
  1333. # [21:07] <SamSagaZ> :)
  1334. # [21:07] <SamSagaZ> to copy
  1335. # [21:07] <SamSagaZ> and use it in my own site
  1336. # [21:08] <Cheery> http://www.html-5-tutorial.com/
  1337. # [21:08] <Cheery> SamSagaZ: there you go, have rape at that.
  1338. # [21:08] <Cheery> krenner: it's stupidly simple. I mean I don't even understand why you asked.
  1339. # [21:09] <Cheery> krenner: you're sure you are able to construct and layout the tree structure in your code?
  1340. # [21:09] <SamSagaZ> thanks Cheery
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  1342. # [21:10] <krenner> I will draw trees to svg and then place buttons in his places. I wouldn't code trees
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  1344. # [21:12] <krenner> I have 8 trees to do and some of them looks strange to code
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  1346. # [21:12] <Cheery> but you sure need to determine the places of those buttons, so you write some layouting algorithm to do that.
  1347. # [21:12] <Cheery> but well.. if you have any other problems, you'll probably stumble upon them and manage to solve them yourself.
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  1363. # [21:29] <Cheery> I still haven't solved my problem..
  1364. # [21:29] <Cheery> it's pointless to create nice brush systems if you can't sense pressure.
  1365. # [21:30] <Cheery> pointless, you get it? :P
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  1371. # [21:34] <pixelgremlins> Working on a mobile version of a website -- and I'm using input= tel for an ISBN# -- but ISBNs sometimes have x's and my numeric keypad on Android only has numbers and a few special characters... --- is there a way to also initiate an option for alphabet keybaord too? tried type = "tel" and type="number"
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  1373. # [21:37] <Moo-_-> pixelgremlins: type="text"
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  1377. # [21:38] <pixelgremlins> my client wants a numeric keypad to popup as default though...
  1378. # [21:38] <pixelgremlins> cause they enter a lot of isbns..
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  1382. # [21:41] <Moo-_-> pixelgremlins: well, too bad that your client is not control of the android keyboard options :)
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  1516. # [23:48] <Mohsen_Hassani> How can I change the font-family of validation bubbles?
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  1522. # [23:51] <Mohsen_Hassani> hmmm... Is there any way at all?
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