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  4. # [00:01] <flgr> I'm trying to see how my net code holds up under traffic in a EC2 micro instance
  5. # [00:01] <flgr> feel free to participate by heading over to http://ec2.flgr.me:1337/
  6. # [00:01] <flgr> :)
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  155. # [03:01] <felixjet> hi all
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  157. # [03:02] <felixjet> is an error place <nav> inside <header> or <footer> ?
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  182. # [03:36] <noob101> Hello everyone.
  183. # [03:36] <noob101> Is anyone here?
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  206. # [04:02] <felixjet> why in this image http://coursesweb.net/html/imgs/html5_structure.jpg
  207. # [04:02] <felixjet> is <aside> inside <section> ?
  208. # [04:02] <felixjet> is not aside a type of section?
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  212. # [04:05] <waysc> felixjet: no, <aside> is an element indicating complementary information
  213. # [04:05] <waysc> <section> would be defining a section, <nav> defines a navigation, and <aside> is probably some kind of supplementary information associated with the nav
  214. # [04:05] <felixjet> with the nav?
  215. # [04:05] <felixjet> wth xD
  216. # [04:06] <waysc> yeah, or the section, whatever.. it would have more to do with the actual content itself :p
  217. # [04:06] <waysc> or it could be some kind of callout
  218. # [04:06] <waysc> naturally, there's some room for interpretation
  219. # [04:06] <felixjet> but you are just reading the image and using common sense or you know the specs actually?
  220. # [04:06] <waysc> a little bit of both
  221. # [04:06] <felixjet> because w3 says that aside is like section, for associated information
  222. # [04:07] <waysc> http://html5doctor.com/understanding-aside/
  223. # [04:07] <felixjet> yea
  224. # [04:07] <felixjet> take a look at the redefined one
  225. # [04:07] <felixjet> http://html5doctor.com/aside-revisited/
  226. # [04:07] <waysc> yeah, in that case aside can be considered like a section in that it is also a section itself
  227. # [04:07] <waysc> but you're allowed to have <sections> within <sections> too so it's not like, "illegal" or anything
  228. # [04:07] <felixjet> " The spec writers listened, and aside is now acceptable for secondary content when not nested within an article element."
  229. # [04:08] <felixjet> thats right
  230. # [04:08] <waysc> right, so that secondary content might be a callout, or some other site-specific information
  231. # [04:08] <waysc> "Buy the book today!"
  232. # [04:08] <waysc> sort of thing
  233. # [04:08] <felixjet> but for example, but a sidebar, should be used section and aside? or just aside?
  234. # [04:08] <waysc> dunno, could be nearly anything really, could be an ad
  235. # [04:08] <felixjet> for a sidebar*
  236. # [04:08] <waysc> that's up for debate, I would personally call it a section because it contains both the navigation and the callout
  237. # [04:09] <felixjet> but its also "aside" content
  238. # [04:09] <felixjet> navigation is related and ads too
  239. # [04:09] <felixjet> related with the main article, so its aside content
  240. # [04:09] <felixjet> dont?
  241. # [04:09] <waysc> right, but in my personal take on it a nav is a central core part of the site and I would never put that in an aside
  242. # [04:09] <felixjet> is not like a separate section
  243. # [04:09] <felixjet> its part of article, after all
  244. # [04:10] <felixjet> i see
  245. # [04:10] <felixjet> makes sense too xD
  246. # [04:10] <waysc> yeah, the asides inside the articles are explicitly meant to be related to the articles
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  248. # [04:10] <waysc> but the aside outside of an article element is just information related to the site
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  250. # [04:11] <waysc> there's a little wiggle room and plenty of room for debate either way you look at it :p
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  252. # [04:11] <felixjet> you can use id="" in <section> to identify them if you have more than 1?
  253. # [04:11] <felixjet> or there is a better solution?
  254. # [04:12] <waysc> you don't need to identify them with IDs
  255. # [04:12] <waysc> if you're looking to be ultra semantic or support screen readers then you would use WAI-ARIA attributes
  256. # [04:13] <felixjet> i just want to associate css styles :P
  257. # [04:13] <felixjet> and since they are unique ones, i think id would make more sense than class ?
  258. # [04:13] <waysc> use classes for that
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  260. # [04:14] <waysc> generally speaking when you get into production you want to reserve classes for styles and IDs for behavior, i.e. javascript
  261. # [04:14] <felixjet> i always used ids for content that is unique, like #content, #header, #footer, #categories-list, #footer-links, etc
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  263. # [04:15] <felixjet> now some of them have their own html5 tag, but others dont
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  265. # [04:15] <waysc> if you're working on smaller sites with not too much scripting involved then it's not really an issue
  266. # [04:15] <felixjet> anyway i always used ids for unique things, and class when i need to use more than once, like .red, .clearfix, etc
  267. # [04:15] <felixjet> it is wrong?
  268. # [04:15] <felixjet> nothing is wrong, but a bad practice i mean
  269. # [04:16] <waysc> it's generally considered a bad practice, yeah
  270. # [04:16] <felixjet> i see, i take note :p
  271. # [04:16] <waysc> the reason being that say you have an ID set to a special form or something, #form or whatever, and then you style that a bunch
  272. # [04:16] <felixjet> and last question! would you place for example, filters like "order by: newest/popular/etc" and search forms under <nav> ?
  273. # [04:16] <felixjet> after all ... its a method of navigation dont?
  274. # [04:17] <waysc> and then a dev comes by later and is like, let's change that to something else because the designer wants a new form, and change the validation javascript associated.. they change it, boom, the form now looks broken
  275. # [04:17] <waysc> hmmm
  276. # [04:17] <waysc> yeah I probably would personally
  277. # [04:17] <waysc> I consider those navigational elements
  278. # [04:18] <felixjet> right
  279. # [04:18] <felixjet> ill take those tips in mind, ty so much!
  280. # [04:18] <waysc> no problem
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  285. # [04:20] <noob101> Hey everyone I love HTML
  286. # [04:20] <noob101> Press F12 :)
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  759. # [15:08] <gmpaul> trying to link two pages together code please.
  760. # [15:08] <gmpaul> ...
  761. # [15:09] <gmpaul> anyone have a minute or two?!
  762. # [15:10] <gmpaul> what's the point of being in this channel if you're not going to talk?
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  764. # [15:11] <gmpaul> why are you all even in here?
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  769. # [15:16] <gmpaul> still not a word out of anyone in here>
  770. # [15:16] <gmpaul> ?
  771. # [15:17] <gmpaul> all these pple and not a single response?
  772. # [15:17] <gmpaul> wtf is the point of being in this channel then?
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  1079. # [19:49] <Ericx2x> can someone give me some guidance? My client complained about something with a site I made
  1080. # [19:49] <Ericx2x> Something to do with giving the HTML
  1081. # [19:49] <Ericx2x> and w3.org checker
  1082. # [19:49] <Ericx2x> this is what I get on the w3.org checker
  1083. # [19:49] <Ericx2x> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ge-mcs.com%2Fmicrosites%2Fprotimeter%2FMMS2&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
  1084. # [19:49] <Ericx2x> I'm not quite sure what I need to fix
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  1148. # [21:31] <Moo-_-> Ericx2x: hello
  1149. # [21:32] <Moo-_-> you are using document type <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
  1150. # [21:32] <Moo-_-> and html="en", I think, is HTML5 features. not sure though.
  1151. # [21:33] <Moo-_-> Ericx2x: in any case your HTML has some issues which should be fixed one by one
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  1153. # [21:33] <Moo-_-> Ericx2x: so I suggest you read the validator errors and consult the HTML specification in the parts you do not understand
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