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  51. # [00:35] <hans_henrik> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KVXtXuhB
  52. # [00:35] <hans_henrik> tl;dr: any1 know why the heck "name" attribute is deprecated?
  53. # [00:35] <hans_henrik> according to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/a , name is deprecated in favor of id, but they dont fking do the same thing *
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  56. # [00:36] <tantek> what's relevant in the difference that you want?
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  59. # [00:37] <hans_henrik> document.getElementsByName
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  62. # [00:38] <hans_henrik> i know i can just make a custom function looping thru all elements, searching for a custom attribute matching a string, in userland, but..
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  66. # [00:40] <moo-_-> hans_henrik: you don't need to a loop
  67. # [00:41] <moo-_-> hans_henrik: document.querySelectorAll("[attr='foo']) should do the trick
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  69. # [00:41] <hans_henrik> oh, awesome
  70. # [00:41] <moo-_-> add one missing "
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  73. # [00:42] <hans_henrik> so, document.getElementsByName("foo") is bascially like document.querySelectorAll("[name='foo']") ?
  74. # [00:44] <hans_henrik> anyway still, the DOM was designed with the assumption that names can be shared, and id's are unique, therefor, i highly doubt html4x requires names to unique
  75. # [00:44] <hans_henrik> so it sounds weird to me that name was deprecated for id
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  77. # [00:45] <tantek> it's because name was being used for fragment identifiers and id solve it better (on any element)
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  80. # [00:46] <moo-_-> hans_henrik: also, because querySelectorAll() solves the same problem in more generic way
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  83. # [00:48] <hans_henrik> and querySelector was added in 2009 (firefox and IE8 at least)
  84. # [00:48] <hans_henrik> so.. in 2008?
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  89. # [00:51] <hans_henrik> nvm
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  744. # [14:38] <noobdev> hi
  745. # [14:39] <noobdev> I need some help someone is exploiting my script
  746. # [14:39] <noobdev> not sure how to get rid of it
  747. # [14:39] <noobdev> but it's really annoying
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  758. # [14:52] <jmontero> Hello, my question is about databases on the client side with HTML5... I've read about the 5MB limits for local storage... Is there any way to use a bigger one, like 15MBs or 20MBs??? Any js library to help me with that??? Thanks
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  760. # [14:57] <moo-_-> jmontero: your web app can ask more space from the browser with 5 MB slices
  761. # [14:57] <moo-_-> not sure what the user experience - depends on the browser
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  763. # [14:57] <moo-_-> it usually gives top pop up dialog "The application needs ..."
  764. # [14:57] <jmontero> hmmm, ok...
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  769. # [15:00] <Joe8Bit> jmontero: Depending on the breadth of browsers you're targeting there may be other solutions, like IndexDB
  770. # [15:00] <Joe8Bit> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/IndexedDB
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  779. # [15:02] <jmontero> ok, i've read that... my idea is about phonegap for a mobile app, i prefer it because i'm not good at all programming, but i understand a little bit about webs and HTML, and the app i'm thinking about it's like a dictionary
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  781. # [15:02] <Joe8Bit> jmontero: also, checkout PouchDB
  782. # [15:03] <Joe8Bit> If you're using PhoneGap, then I'd suggest using the Phonegap provided storage API's
  783. # [15:03] <jmontero> i'm trying to find a better way to save the data, that's why im thinking about DB, but if i can't i'll have to use a PLAIN TEXT FILE
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  1070. # [19:38] <LockAndCaps> grkblood: I am a guru in knowing that it sucks.
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  1072. # [19:38] <LockAndCaps> grkblood: And ugly Flash hacks need to be used.
  1073. # [19:38] <grkblood> lol, well that doesnt help much
  1074. # [19:38] <LockAndCaps> Though recent browser developments might have fixed some of the issues.
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  1077. # [19:39] <moo-_-> I think it is soon safe if you do not care about mobile, IE or Safari
  1078. # [19:39] <grkblood> is this room always this dead?
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  1081. # [19:40] <moo-_-> yes
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  1085. # [19:45] <LockAndCaps> grkblood: Worse.
  1086. # [19:45] <LockAndCaps> And it fucking sucks.
  1087. # [19:45] <LockAndCaps> Because I often wanna talk about stuff.
  1088. # [19:45] <LockAndCaps> But nobody wants to talk.
  1089. # [19:45] <LockAndCaps> They just wanna idle.
  1090. # [19:46] <LockAndCaps> They pay good money for an IRC client software, an account on freenode and then they don't utilize it.
  1091. # [19:46] <LockAndCaps> What are they now? $59.99/month?
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  1093. # [19:46] <moo-_-> LockAndCaps: who is paying?
  1094. # [19:47] <LockAndCaps> In either case, it sucks when chats are dead.
  1095. # [19:47] <LockAndCaps> I'm just helpelessly stuck on my game.
  1096. # [19:47] <LockAndCaps> The whole hit detection thing alone is just exhausting.
  1097. # [19:47] <LockAndCaps> And I can't figure out how to draw an explosion animation.
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  1099. # [19:48] <LockAndCaps> I have no idea how I should do the hit detection.
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  1101. # [19:48] <LockAndCaps> I mean, I first can do a rough check like a big square around the object's general position.
  1102. # [19:48] <LockAndCaps> So if it's not inside that square, the function returns false.
  1103. # [19:48] <LockAndCaps> But if it does, it needs to do a fine check.
  1104. # [19:48] <LockAndCaps> And this fine check is what I have trouble with.
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  1106. # [19:49] <LockAndCaps> I'm gonna have to constantly draw objects on a separate canvas to compare them pixel-wise.
  1107. # [19:49] <LockAndCaps> OR use some sort of advanced math.
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  1110. # [19:51] <grkblood> 59.99 a month?
  1111. # [19:51] <grkblood> what are you talking about
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  1255. # [21:59] <mokush> can anybody share a couple of tips on indexeddb? is there any way to determine if the database already has an objectstore set, in the onupgradeneded event?
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  1288. # [22:40] <daleharvey> mokush: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/IDBDatabase.objectStoreNames
  1289. # [22:41] <daleharvey> but in general your upgradeneeded code should be explicit with the versions, or it gets tricky
  1290. # [22:42] <mokush> daleharvey: thanks! if I want to read then write to a db, do I have to open it twice? once with no version and once with a new version?
  1291. # [22:44] <daleharvey> mokush: nope, always open it with your current version, and handle the upgradedneeded event
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  1294. # [22:44] <mokush> daleharvey: problem is, if I open it with the current version, onupgradeneeded doesn't trigger, and I can't run any transactions in onsuccess.
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  1296. # [22:44] <mokush> I'm getting the "The database is not running a version change transaction. " error
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  1299. # [22:45] <LockAndCaps> I'm making a collision detection mechanism for my game HTML 5 JS game. Stop me where I go wrong. I'm thinking that the isObjectColliding() function should take x1, y1, size1, image1, rotation1 parameters (and also 2 versions of all those). Then, first do an if check to see if the x and y positions fit in a rectangle to each other based on size.
  1300. # [22:45] <LockAndCaps> If not, just return "false", but if so, start doing a fine check by drawing both images on a canvas as large as the game world and then go through all the pixels in the relevant square are to see if they overlap, and if so, return true.
  1301. # [22:46] <LockAndCaps> Is this still too slow?
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  1303. # [22:48] <daleharvey> mokush: it sounds like you might have already created a db with your current version that doesnt actually have the schema you need? happens a lot during dev
  1304. # [22:48] <mokush> daleharvey: something like that, but this will also happen to me in production.
  1305. # [22:49] <mokush> daleharvey: my usecase is comparing a property i'm getting from an api, with a property from an object stored in the db
  1306. # [22:49] <mokush> daleharvey: if a condition is met, I'll remove the existing values in the db, and add new ones
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  1308. # [22:51] <mokush> that's why I need to be able to first read the db, check if the object store is created, do a get() transaction, then, if the condition is met, do a put() transaction
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  1311. # [22:52] <mokush> and considering the "The database is not running a version change transaction. " error, it seems I would first have to open the db with no version number, do the get(), and then open the db again, with a new version - maybe new Date().getTime(), and do the put() there
  1312. # [22:52] <mokush> is this so? or is there a better way?
  1313. # [22:53] <daleharvey> mokush: ah
  1314. # [22:53] <daleharvey> mokush: yeh basically you are trying to do dynamically generated schemas based on info in the db?
  1315. # [22:54] <daleharvey> mokush: I tried that for a while and gave up, storing in seperate databases may be easier if that fits your use case
  1316. # [22:55] <mokush> daleharvey: the schema will stay the same. the problem is that I decide if I want to write in the db based on the data already stored in the db (i know, inception)
  1317. # [22:55] <mokush> it would be perfect for me if there would be no version numbers, and I could just do both the get() and the put() in the onsuccess handler.
  1318. # [22:57] <daleharvey> slightly confused, when you say 'remove existing values' are you talking about deleting individually or wiping an object store?
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  1320. # [22:57] <daleharvey> if you arent doing schema changes, then you dont need to be doing anything to do with upgradeneeded
  1321. # [22:58] <LockAndCaps> Anyone awake?
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  1323. # [22:58] <daleharvey> you will be able to read and write data inside the onsuccess to openDatabase
  1324. # [23:00] <mokush> daleharvey: that's weird. put() seems to be throwing that 'not running version change' error for me. let me check some more
  1325. # [23:00] <mokush> daleharvey: if that's how it should work, and it's something in my code, then it's perfect, exactly what i need
  1326. # [23:01] <daleharvey> mokush: yeh ignore the backwards compat stuff, but I do reads / writes inside my openDatabase.onsuccess @ https://github.com/daleharvey/pouchdb/blob/master/src/adapters/pouch.idb.js#L85
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  1329. # [23:02] <daleharvey> in particular I give each database a uuid the first time it starts https://github.com/daleharvey/pouchdb/blob/master/src/adapters/pouch.idb.js#L112
  1330. # [23:02] <mokush> daleharvey: awesome work on pouchdb btw
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  1334. # [23:03] <daleharvey> cheers :)
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  1340. # [23:06] <mokush> daleharvey: any idea if there's a way to remoe db's with chrome's dev tools?
  1341. # [23:06] <mokush> I found clearing an objectstore, but not removing an entire db
  1342. # [23:07] <daleharvey> indexedDB.deleteDatabase('name'); ?
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  1346. # [23:08] <daleharvey> havent seen any ui for it though
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  1358. # [23:13] <mokush> daleharvey: thanks!
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  1361. # [23:15] <mokush> daleharvey: you were right, of course.
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  1364. # [23:15] <mokush> I did initially try to have dynamic schemas with createObjectStore on get()'s success
  1365. # [23:15] <mokush> and that's what was causing the error, not the put
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  1367. # [23:16] <mokush> I moved that to onupgradeneeded, since I'll be creating the object store only once, and everything seems to work as I need it
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  1369. # [23:16] <mokush> daleharvey: thanks a lot for the help!
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  1372. # [23:17] <daleharvey> awesome, no bother, this stuff is confusing as hell
  1373. # [23:18] <mokush> daleharvey: yeah, idb is really hard to grasp at first
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