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  75. # [02:02] <KLVTZ> Whatsup everyone
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  80. # [02:08] <KLVTZ> damn no discussions at all?
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  89. # [02:22] <KLVTZ> Welcome c4milo!
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  91. # [02:22] <KLVTZ> Welcome everyone!
  92. # [02:22] <KLVTZ> for whoever may be active
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  348. # [10:35] <xfce-x64> hi
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  353. # [10:46] <xfce-x64> multi-platform
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  386. # [12:04] <bray90820> Is a meta element usually on a separate page or not?
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  390. # [12:08] <xfce-x64> hi
  391. # [12:09] <xfce-x64> I want to learn and dev html5 app
  392. # [12:09] <xfce-x64> Where to start ?? Is Dart a good option ?
  393. # [12:10] <Ms2ger> No
  394. # [12:10] <xfce-x64> Buy google says Dart is a good option for HTML5 app .. what do you suggest?
  395. # [12:10] <pixelpimp> Not yet.
  396. # [12:11] <xfce-x64> Ok
  397. # [12:11] <pixelpimp> Dart hasn't really taken off yet, but is certainly one option you could take. But there are a lot of other, probably easier supported, choices.
  398. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> Dart will never take off
  399. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> Unless Chrome gets IE6-style marketshare, which isn't very likely
  400. # [12:13] <xfce-x64> I have dev cpp program with color n local fonts and that printed too .. nothing else .. ya i have dev pure html4 sites with frameset before in high school .. i used DHTML though .. I don't remember much of the stuff but I am highly interested in HTML5 learning n deployment
  401. # [12:14] <pixelpimp> I don't know if that kind of market share is possible any more... but chrome is probably the foremost used browser now
  402. # [12:14] <pixelpimp> IE6 at its height had somewhere around 90%, yeah?
  403. # [12:15] <xfce-x64> But dart can compile to js
  404. # [12:15] <pixelpimp> Yeah, which is the only reason it's even viable at the moment
  405. # [12:16] <pixelpimp> If dart looks interesting to you, by all means research it! It might be exactly what you want.
  406. # [12:16] <xfce-x64> So your saying dart won't ever be an standard client side lang ? or its less likely to happen
  407. # [12:16] <pixelpimp> it's veeerrrrrrrrry unlikely.
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  409. # [12:17] <pixelpimp> Javascript is just way too prevalent at the moment and hard to replace.
  410. # [12:18] <pixelpimp> Chrome would obviously be the deciding factor there. Like Ms2ger said, if Chrome got the kind of market share IE6 had, it'd be no question that Dart would be supported on most computers
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  412. # [12:19] <xfce-x64> can't dart be a plugin like java or flash to get the support ? I mean they could do it like that..
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  414. # [12:20] <pixelpimp> Seems like a hassle. I'm sure it could easily be implemented that way, but obviously they've had the opportunity for some time now.
  415. # [12:20] <xfce-x64> kk
  416. # [12:20] <pixelpimp> Its compile to JS is probably fairly speedy, if you write good code
  417. # [12:21] <xfce-x64> ok
  418. # [12:21] <xfce-x64> But for pure html5 apps with better support what do you recommend for a newbie ?
  419. # [12:21] <xfce-x64> Dart2js or native js?
  420. # [12:23] <Ms2ger> Definitely native JS
  421. # [12:24] <pixelpimp> I might take back that last comment after the comment in ##javascript
  422. # [12:24] <pixelpimp> 05:19 < RLa> dart was the language where "hello world" compiled to 17k lines of js?
  423. # [12:25] <pixelpimp> ^- for anyone not in there
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  425. # [12:25] <xfce-x64> k
  426. # [12:25] <xfce-x64> hello world really compiles to 17k lines of js?
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  428. # [12:26] <pixelpimp> http://www.devalot.com/articles/2011/10/dart-reactions.html :
  429. # [12:27] <xfce-x64> but that was in 2011
  430. # [12:27] <pixelpimp> very true
  431. # [12:27] <pixelpimp> i didn't know that story
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  433. # [12:34] <xfce-x64> dart2js cli compiler is crashing in arch
  434. # [12:36] <xfce-x64> pixelpimp, are u sure?
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  437. # [12:47] <xfce-x64> dart2js jus compiled a hello world program into 300 lines which don't even work
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  443. # [12:51] <dekiss1> how can I change all html link's urls in more files, is there some easy automatic ways of doing this, because I need to c\hange one url with another in a lot of links in a lot of php files
  444. # [12:53] <xfce-x64> u messed up
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  448. # [12:58] <hayalet> use Find in path... in any IDE
  449. # [13:00] <hayalet> or rather Find and Replace in path
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  454. # [13:08] <free_da_web> hi does html5 come with a video player?
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  458. # [13:16] <hayalet> free_da_web: check <video> element
  459. # [13:17] <dekiss1> I think I will do it with notepad++ "_
  460. # [13:17] <dekiss1> thank you all
  461. # [13:18] <free_da_web> ok
  462. # [13:19] <free_da_web> I jus want to ask if I put a video on my server with this tag .. would it be heavy on my server or video player is client's processing
  463. # [13:19] <hayalet> video is just element, player depends on the browser
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  465. # [13:24] <free_da_web> Ok
  466. # [13:24] <free_da_web> But nowadays HTML5 is universal right ?
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  473. # [13:40] <foomistress> hey guys and girls
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  475. # [13:42] <free_da_web> A good html5 editor /
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  477. # [13:44] <hayalet> Every, you are comfortable to work with, if you have none you can try Brackets (free), Sublime Text (free unlimited trial), or Webstorm (commercial)
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  479. # [13:47] <free_da_web> hayalet, brackets is good
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  491. # [13:57] <foowaffle> hey guys
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  493. # [13:57] <foowaffle> new to html and was wondering if you guys to poing in towards some great tutorials and soucres to expand my understanding
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  515. # [14:32] <free_da_web> hi
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  524. # [14:48] <foowaffle> hey guys
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  533. # [14:55] <encrypt_da_web> hi
  534. # [14:55] <encrypt_da_web> omg brackets is just too heavy for my system
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  544. # [15:10] <Troy^> encrypt_da_web: how is brackets too heavy?
  545. # [15:11] <encrypt_da_web> Idk for one we don't have a pack in arch repo officially so I jus install it via aur .. and it is quite heavy
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  547. # [15:12] <Troy^> how old is your system lol? I just use sublime text
  548. # [15:13] <Troy^> I use linux and brackets looks terrible
  549. # [15:13] <encrypt_da_web> I am using arch
  550. # [15:13] <encrypt_da_web> my system is 1 ghz dual core
  551. # [15:13] <Troy^> oh my
  552. # [15:13] <encrypt_da_web> 6 gigs of ram
  553. # [15:14] <Troy^> yea use a text editor lol.
  554. # [15:14] <encrypt_da_web> lol
  555. # [15:14] <encrypt_da_web> Ok
  556. # [15:14] <encrypt_da_web> Bluefish is fine then
  557. # [15:14] <Troy^> If that's what you like. I'm a big sublime text fan
  558. # [15:15] <encrypt_da_web> sublime text is nonfree
  559. # [15:15] <Troy^> it is free
  560. # [15:16] <Troy^> except once in a blue moon you get a small reminder to buy a liscense
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  562. # [15:16] <encrypt_da_web> lol ok ?
  563. # [15:16] <encrypt_da_web> How to install it
  564. # [15:17] <hayalet> there is a PPA for sublime
  565. # [15:17] <Troy^> http://docs.sublimetext.info/en/latest/getting_started/install.html
  566. # [15:17] <Troy^> I dont use arch. There is a install guide though
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  569. # [15:23] <encrypt_da_web> What is sys config ?? Did you try brackets too ?
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  571. # [15:23] <Troy^> I've used brackets. I didn't like it. Sys config what?
  572. # [15:25] <encrypt_da_web> You system config ??
  573. # [15:25] <encrypt_da_web> Did brackets well work well on your system ??
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  577. # [15:27] <Troy^> Yes it ran fine. I also run an I7
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  580. # [15:29] <encrypt_da_web> i7 3rd gen ?
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  582. # [15:30] <Troy^> You know what not even sure what generation it is a 3630qm
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  588. # [15:32] <Troy^> encrypt_da_web: yes 3rd gen ivy
  589. # [15:33] <encrypt_da_web> What is mini config of a laptop if you really want to dev apps too
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  591. # [15:34] <encrypt_da_web> Cuz I think low powered laptops arent good for even html dev nowadays
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  594. # [15:37] <Troy^> It's not really lower powered. HTML development does not require lots of processing power.
  595. # [15:37] <Troy^> IDE's on the other hand can be resource hogs.
  596. # [15:38] <encrypt_da_web> okay
  597. # [15:39] <encrypt_da_web> wow sublime text is really really really cool
  598. # [15:39] <encrypt_da_web> y is brackets so heavy on my pc then ?
  599. # [15:39] <Troy^> Just the way it was developed. Also think about how old a 1ghz Dual core is.
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  601. # [15:40] <Troy^> http://imm.io/1lOVo
  602. # [15:41] <Troy^> It's very customizable.
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  606. # [15:45] <encrypt_da_web> What color setting do you have ?
  607. # [15:46] <Troy^> You need to install control package. Then you can add color schemes and themes. I use the Phoenix theme and Peacock color scheme by dayle reyes
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  609. # [15:47] <encrypt_da_web> okay
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  611. # [15:47] <encrypt_da_web> I like bluefish too
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  615. # [15:52] <kbond> hey guys, can the `lang` attribute contain the country code? ie en-US?
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  670. # [17:17] <dekiss1> in a table that has one 4 rows and three th in the first row, is it enough to assign height attribute to just one th and whole row will have same height or is it better to assign height attribute to to row - tr?
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  706. # [18:12] <dekiss1> can I make 2 th in same tr with different height?
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  710. # [18:18] <dekiss1> how can I align img in td to be in the center of td?
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  841. # [20:26] <html_dev> hi
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  860. # [20:58] <html_dev> hi
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  862. # [20:59] <trof> hi i have a question
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  865. # [20:59] <trof> why people still use non-semantic <div class="container">
  866. # [20:59] <trof> isn't it better to style <body>
  867. # [20:59] <trof> and why
  868. # [21:01] <moo-_-> trof: sometimes you need to nested elements to perform certain style tricks
  869. # [21:01] <moo-_-> also there might be header and footer elements which are not part of the container
  870. # [21:02] <trof> thank you i understand
  871. # [21:02] <trof> but in the simplest case it's not required right?
  872. # [21:02] <trof> i am just learning
  873. # [21:02] <trof> i have a task to do 2-column floating layout
  874. # [21:02] <trof> yes, its not up to time etc
  875. # [21:03] <trof> but header, footer, and main content were wrapped into "container div"
  876. # [21:03] <trof> so i wondered maybe its not needed
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  890. # [21:17] <dekiss1> float doesn't work in outlook?
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  897. # [21:28] <moo-_-> dekiss1: you mean in email?
  898. # [21:28] <moo-_-> dekiss1: http://kb.mailchimp.com/article/how-to-code-html-emails
  899. # [21:28] <moo-_-> don'teven try
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  905. # [21:38] <trof> html is spectacular
  906. # [21:38] <trof> learning it = huge fun
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  1000. # [23:47] <bray90820> Is it acceptable to use multiple form tags in one page
  1001. # [23:47] <trof> why not
  1002. # [23:48] <bray90820> I don't know
  1003. # [23:48] <trof> afaik just try not to nest them
  1004. # [23:48] <trof> otherwise use freely
  1005. # [23:48] <bray90820> so you don't think my teacher will take off points of i use more then one on a page?
  1006. # [23:49] <trof> i don't think he will subtract any points
  1007. # [23:49] <trof> don't worry\
  1008. # [23:50] <bray90820> Alright
  1009. # [23:51] <bray90820> I was basically just wondering if that was something that people normally do and i think i got my answer
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