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  14. # [00:13] <thirdender> what's the current consensus on using H1 tags as the primary heading for all sectioning elements? SEO companies are still saying to only use one H1 per page
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  45. # [01:21] <thirdender> what's the current consensus on using H1 tags as the primary heading for all sectioning elements? SEO companies are still saying to only use one H1 per page
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  77. # [02:38] <thirdender> what's the current consensus on using H1 tags as the primary heading for all sectioning elements? SEO companies are still saying to only use one H1 per page
  78. # [02:38] <thirdender> also, dammit, this is the quietest IRC channel I've ever been in :-p Is anyone out there?
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  81. # [02:41] <paul_irish> thirdender: yup
  82. # [02:41] <paul_irish> cutts already addressed this
  83. # [02:41] <thirdender> hey, paul_irish :-p
  84. # [02:41] <paul_irish> hii
  85. # [02:41] <thirdender> is that in the 2005 video?
  86. # [02:42] <thirdender> or however many years old the video is now...
  87. # [02:42] <thirdender> I've seen that referenced a lot, but I was really hoping for a more up-to-date answer, especially considering the amount of changes that have happened in the HTML5 spec
  88. # [02:42] <paul_irish> understoood
  89. # [02:42] <paul_irish> i am prety sure he said something in 2013 on the topic
  90. # [02:42] <thirdender> cool... thanks, off to google that quick :-p
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  92. # [02:43] <thirdender> just running into a lot of flac from SEO companies telling me not to code this way
  93. # [02:45] <paul_irish> here's 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgy3Oc9zfOw
  94. # [02:45] <paul_irish> where he says 1
  95. # [02:45] <paul_irish> :)
  96. # [02:46] <paul_irish> the other part
  97. # [02:46] <paul_irish> is that
  98. # [02:46] <thirdender> oh beautiful, thanks :-p watching now
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  100. # [02:47] <paul_irish> the html5 outlining algorithm isn't really adopted by any browser or google as the way to do things
  101. # [02:47] <paul_irish> soooo
  102. # [02:47] <paul_irish> i think if you had like 3 h1's on a page
  103. # [02:47] <paul_irish> that would be reasonable
  104. # [02:48] <paul_irish> if you had 10-20 section headings on a page that are all h1
  105. # [02:48] <paul_irish> it'd be cray cray
  106. # [02:48] <thirdender> blah, so... my understanding of HTML5 was that H1 is what you use for a new sectioning element
  107. # [02:48] <paul_irish> that is what html5 says
  108. # [02:48] <paul_irish> but…
  109. # [02:48] <paul_irish> you should ignore that part.
  110. # [02:48] <paul_irish> because it's one of the parts of html5 that isn't really adopted by reality
  111. # [02:48] <thirdender> blah... but that makes so much sense to me
  112. # [02:49] <thirdender> especially when generating content through a CMS
  113. # [02:49] <paul_irish> it makes sense in a way that is not web-compatible :)
  114. # [02:49] <thirdender> where you're not really always aware of the surrounding context... using nested contexts makes so much more sense than trying to figure out "which H tag to use"
  115. # [02:49] <paul_irish> yah true. that way each component defines it's own thing and doesnt need to know how it belongs into the global
  116. # [02:49] <paul_irish> agreed.
  117. # [02:50] <thirdender> so where's the hang-up? when search engines see a HTML5 page, shouldn't they just be able to parse it using new rules? or is the consensus that search engines just aren't there yet?
  118. # [02:50] <paul_irish> lol http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2013/10/html5-document-outline/
  119. # [02:50] <paul_irish> i dont know about the SEO'ness of html5 outlining algo
  120. # [02:50] <paul_irish> i know screenreaders dont support it
  121. # [02:51] <thirdender> I read today JAWS does, and only understands the H1 tags... using lower H tags in a sectioning element actually causes JAWS problems
  122. # [02:51] <thirdender> but the other screenreaders haven't implemented it yet, afaik
  123. # [02:51] <thirdender> http://juicystudio.com/article/html5-outline-algorithm-jaws.php
  124. # [02:52] <thirdender> at least without aria hints it doesn't seem to work right
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  147. # [03:21] <thirdender> paul_irish: thanks for your input :-p I'm still totally on the fence on this, but the paciello group link was especially helpful
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  382. # [10:47] <bigbugjava> <li><a href="fileupload/fileupload.html" target="_blank" ><i class="icon-camera pull-right"></i>Add Photos</a></li> - Any reason for it not to trigger? if I click, right mouse click->Open new target, it does work!
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  434. # [11:58] <ghostlines> hi I want to create element with a unique id and set it to display none immediately in HTML, without first defining it in my CSS
  435. # [11:58] <ghostlines> is this possible?
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  442. # [12:03] <moo-_-> ghostlines: add <style> snippet in the page?
  443. # [12:04] <moo-_-> sounds like you have problem elsewhere and you are trying to fix it wrong way
  444. # [12:04] <ghostlines> yeah have to use style for sure
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  446. # [12:04] <ghostlines> but wanted to know how to uniquely identify the element
  447. # [12:04] <ghostlines> I looked it up and think I can use span id
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  449. # [12:06] <ghostlines> I'm looking through some docs and it seems you can add id to just about anything so that should solve my prob
  450. # [12:06] <ghostlines> thanks though
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  455. # [12:08] <moo-_-> ghostlines: yes
  456. # [12:08] <moo-_-> sorry, I thought you were aware of id attribute
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  458. # [12:08] <ghostlines> I was kind of
  459. # [12:08] <ghostlines> used to solely for css
  460. # [12:09] <ghostlines> to identify styling that way
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  463. # [12:11] <fugutive221> Hi!
  464. # [12:12] <fugutive221> I'm looking for a html5 attribute so you can have like grey text in an input field and when you type in it it disappears
  465. # [12:15] <moo-_-> fugutive221: placeholder
  466. # [12:16] <fugutive221> Thanks moo-_- that was what I'm looking for :)
  467. # [12:17] <moo-_-> np
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  472. # [12:21] <asher^> placeholder
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  543. # [14:25] * fsf-free Happy New Year
  544. # [14:25] <fsf-free> :]
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  547. # [14:30] <LucaTM11_> Happy new year to you!
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  555. # [14:45] <fsf-free> LucaTM11_, do you develop html5 apps for web ?
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  584. # [15:17] <bigbugjava> Hi, I need an image slider that can display small images on preview and when click display image full as uploaded, or one that can center my 940px on 400px slider that works right now, just to note: I get pictures dynamicly from amazon s3, and have no control on picture width and height.
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  655. # [16:43] <moo-_-> nanicoar: separate
  656. # [16:43] <nanicoar> muaha
  657. # [16:43] <moo-_-> nanicoar: also please note that the browser is free to claim any appcache data if needed
  658. # [16:43] <moo-_-> think it more like "cache headers with steroids"
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  988. # [22:53] <kumavis> im having some trouble dynamically creating iframes with the `sandbox` attribute
  989. # [22:53] <kumavis> i have detailed my work around here https://gist.github.com/kumavis/8202447
  990. # [22:54] <kumavis> is there a correct way to do this?
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