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  4. # [00:00] <felixjet> btw
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  8. # [00:00] <felixjet> should the index of a website, where appear for example 10 paginated boxes with a picture, heading and date
  9. # [00:00] <felixjet> be considered as article?
  10. # [00:01] <thirdender> so a listing of other articles?
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  12. # [00:01] <felixjet> but not inside the "single post page"
  13. # [00:01] <felixjet> but in the index
  14. # [00:02] <felixjet> for example http://allrecipes.com/recipes/main.aspx?prop24=PN_1.0.0_Recipes
  15. # [00:02] <felixjet> each recipe can be consider as an article?
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  18. # [00:05] <felixjet> on that page i mean
  19. # [00:05] <felixjet> not when you click on it :P
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  22. # [00:05] <thirdender> I think if I were to do the AllRecipes page I'd use a SECTION for each of those listings ("Staff Picks", "Recipes"), and just use an A tag for each of the individual recipes... not sure. Semantically, yes, an ARTICLE tag would make sense for each of those recipe listings afaik, each sectioning element would add to the outline...
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  24. # [00:05] <thirdender> anyone else have any thoughts? :-p
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  27. # [00:06] <thirdender> I mean, if you were doing a blog listing on the homepage and displaying 5 previous blog posts, sure, makes sense each one would be an ARTICLE. Making each recipe an ARTICLE for the same reason makes sense, but then your outline for the page gets huge.
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  29. # [00:06] <thirdender> Still not as big as the outline for, say, www.huffingtonpost.com, but... I dunno. Anyone have any input?
  30. # [00:07] <felixjet> yea, my question relates to a "blog without excerpts"
  31. # [00:08] <felixjet> typical website that is not a blog
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  33. # [00:08] <felixjet> probably on webs like huffingtonposts makes even more sense
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  35. # [00:08] <thirdender> I think using an ARTICLE tag makes sense, semantically
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  37. # [00:09] <thirdender> for usability, you might have to make additional considerations
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  54. # [00:23] <felixjet> and the last one..... what is <menu> for?
  55. # [00:23] <felixjet> i have a "settings" menu
  56. # [00:23] <felixjet> where user can configure filters
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  58. # [00:24] <felixjet> like sort order, difficulty or calories of recipes, etc
  59. # [00:24] <felixjet> that can be considered a <menu> ?
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  62. # [00:26] <felixjet> wow, <menu> can contain <li> ?
  63. # [00:26] <felixjet> i believed only ol and ul could
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  100. # [01:15] <felixjet> The menu element is not supported by browsers yet. It would probably be better to wait for implementations.
  101. # [01:15] <felixjet> great lol
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  125. # [01:42] <felixjet> i always used title="" attribute in links
  126. # [01:42] <felixjet> but now looks like its not recommended?
  127. # [01:42] <felixjet> :/
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  135. # [02:13] <akersof> hello this is normal that the <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> is not closed with a "/>" ?
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  141. # [02:19] <felixjet> akersof, close it
  142. # [02:20] <akersof> felixjet, really? in all the example i see on the Internet they never closed it
  143. # [02:20] <akersof> felixjet, no pb in closing it then?
  144. # [02:20] <akersof> problem*
  145. # [02:21] <felixjet> http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input
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  156. # [02:37] <thirdender> akersof: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3558119/are-self-closing-tags-valid-in-html5
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  159. # [02:39] <thirdender> felixjet: http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2013/01/using-the-html-title-attribute-updated/
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  161. # [02:39] <akersof> thirdender, thanks for the link
  162. # [02:40] <thirdender> np :-)
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  164. # [02:42] <felixjet> ... what?
  165. # [02:42] <felixjet> the closing /> is not needed?
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  175. # [02:50] <felixjet> thirdender, i did read that article before mentioning title="" here :P
  176. # [02:50] <felixjet> thats why it confused me
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  188. # [03:13] <dkm> mmm, for the All Recipes example I might put the whole thing in a <nav> with nested <section>s and <li> for each item
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  191. # [03:15] <dkm> I'm also heard/read that it is helpful to think of the <article> as something that you'd want a feed reader to pick up on to syndicate content
  192. # [03:16] <dkm> in the allrecipes/index page example each item isn't an article in that sense, it is a navigation item
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  194. # [03:18] <dkm> felixjet: thirdender: ^^
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  196. # [03:20] <felixjet> whole nav?
  197. # [03:20] <felixjet> its not a navigation u.u
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  208. # [03:33] <dkm> it
  209. # [03:33] <dkm> it's not perfect... but it's also not an article
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  211. # [03:34] <dkm> felixjet: likewise, I've seen it suggested that articles in a "Recent Blog Posts" page may be placed in <ol> <li> elements, since there is an order to the articles (usually by publish date)
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  213. # [03:36] <dkm> felixjet: If you though of the site as a whole document, rather than page-by-page, then the index page would be the <nav> section of the larger document
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  216. # [03:38] <felixjet> yea but....
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  218. # [03:38] <felixjet> you are not "navigating"
  219. # [03:38] <felixjet> its confusing anyway
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  221. # [03:40] <dkm> felixjet: it is, for sure. I think that's when it comes down to "up to the author"
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  225. # [03:46] <felixjet> "Not all groups of links on a page need to be in a nav element — the element is primarily intended for sections that consist of major navigation blocks. In particular, it is common for footers to have a short list of links to various pages of a site, such as the terms of service, the home page, and a copyright page. The footer element alone is sufficient for such cases; while a nav element can be used in such cases, it is usual
  226. # [03:46] <felixjet> ly unnecessary."
  227. # [03:46] <felixjet> thats what specs say
  228. # [03:46] <felixjet> " the element is primarily intended for sections that consist of major navigation blocks."
  229. # [03:46] <felixjet> major navigation blocks is the header navigation, category list pages, etc
  230. # [03:46] <felixjet> but not the index (to me, ofc)
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  235. # [03:53] <dkm> felixjet: fair enough... given that I would just put each link in a <li> then
  236. # [03:53] <felixjet> yea, thats what i have
  237. # [03:53] <felixjet> i wont be using <article> there
  238. # [03:54] <felixjet> at the moment at least
  239. # [03:54] <dkm> agreed
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  241. # [03:54] <dkm> I still like to think of the article as a piece of content that could be grabed by a feed reader and displayed 'self-contained' in a different site/viewer
  242. # [03:55] <dkm> while you *could* do that with a single link, it wouldn't be terribly useful
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  245. # [04:01] <felixjet> yup
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  295. # [05:09] <thirdender> I dunno, I would think of each recipe as an "article" (syndicated content)... personally...
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  1012. # [14:15] <SyntheCypher> What's the difference between "-webkit-border-radius" and "border-radius"
  1013. # [14:15] <Rou> Consentual rape sex roleplay
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  1015. # [14:16] <patsToms> SyntheCypher, it's browser specific prefix
  1016. # [14:16] <patsToms> nothing else
  1017. # [14:17] <SyntheCypher> hmm
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  1021. # [14:18] <patsToms> SyntheCypher, -webkit is specific for browser which is using webkit as their rendering engine
  1022. # [14:18] <patsToms> like chrome, safari
  1023. # [14:18] <patsToms> seems like Opera too
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  1025. # [14:19] <SyntheCypher> do you know what apache cordova uses?
  1026. # [14:24] <patsToms> did you tread without prefix?
  1027. # [14:24] <patsToms> I have no idea about cordova
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  1029. # [14:28] <SyntheCypher> if I want to change background-position: 50px 50px; to 50% of the the width of the page for both values how do I do that?
  1030. # [14:29] <SyntheCypher> because if I put 50% in for both
  1031. # [14:29] <SyntheCypher> it'll take 50% of the page width and height
  1032. # [14:29] <SyntheCypher> rather than just the width
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  1095. # [16:22] <mr_lou> Any "W3C experts" here?
  1096. # [16:22] <mr_lou> I'm curious about this page: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art/Containers#Audio_Containers
  1097. # [16:23] <mr_lou> Because it mentions the music format XMF.
  1098. # [16:24] <mr_lou> But what does it mean? Will I some day be able to play XMF files on my HTML5 webpage? That would rock.
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  1101. # [16:26] <Ms2ger> Doesn't mean anything except that someone made a list of media formats
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  1105. # [16:29] <mr_lou> I'd say it's a list of selected media formats then. So why those particular formats? Where are they supposed to be used?
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  1112. # [16:42] <Ms2ger> To be investigated for something, I guess
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  1207. # [19:24] <felixjet> should comments/commenting system be inside <article></article> ?
  1208. # [19:24] <felixjet> i mean, im using <article> to show a blog post
  1209. # [19:24] <felixjet> the commenting system below, should be inside or outside article tag?
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