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  45. # [00:49] <ShooterMG> Anyone know how to detect when the mobile device is turned off, or the mobile browser is closed or minimized?
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  52. # [00:54] <hober> ShooterMG: this isn't a complete answer, but have you tried the page visibility api?
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  54. # [00:54] <ShooterMG> hober no, but i'll look into it now. Thanks :)
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  58. # [00:57] <ShooterMG> that looks exactly like what I need! :)
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  344. # [08:31] <gurke_> good morning. :)
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  368. # [09:09] <sudosaid> Anyone familiar with html5 in here? lmao
  369. # [09:09] <gurke_> what a question
  370. # [09:10] <sudosaid> Yeah, having a problem getting canvas' drawImage to work.
  371. # [09:10] <yealinozph> just say it
  372. # [09:11] <sudosaid> Sorry, multitasking.
  373. # [09:11] <sudosaid> I'm declaring my image var to new Image()
  374. # [09:11] <sudosaid> and setting it's src to it's filename, and the file is in my projects folder
  375. # [09:11] <sudosaid> but when I try and draw it it doesnt work.
  376. # [09:12] <sudosaid> My context is being accessed properly because I can fillRect and other drawing, but drawImage just doesn't work.
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  380. # [09:14] <sudosaid> I'm sorry, I'm trying to remember that website so I can upload a text file of my source...
  381. # [09:14] <sudosaid> I'm a little scatter-brained today, forgive me. haha
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  385. # [09:18] <sudosaid> Here is a link to my file http://textuploader.com/199r
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  387. # [09:19] <sudosaid> Also, there is an error in that file. "cr.drawImage" should be "ct.drawImage" but it still doesn't work after fixing the error.
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  700. # [16:58] <Guest62415> it seems that absolute elements can cause overflow in it's parent element. Is there anyway to avoid this?
  701. # [16:58] <Guest62415> without overflow hidden on the parent?
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  707. # [17:01] <faustFederel> Guest62415: any element can cause overflow?
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  709. # [17:02] <faustFederel> Guest62415: if you keep your element in the flow, it theoretically doesn't overflow
  710. # [17:02] <Guest62415> faustFederel, i was always under the impression that absolute elements had no effect on anything, but when pushed beyond the boundries of the parent, i'm getting scrollbars.
  711. # [17:03] <Guest62415> Thing is, i'm trying to implement a mobile phone menu and need it pushed left: 100% and out of view..
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  720. # [17:05] <faustFederel> Guest62415: I guess your parent element has overflow: scoll somewhere?
  721. # [17:05] <faustFederel> Guest62415: you want to use overflow: hidden
  722. # [17:07] <Guest62415> faustFederel, would that still let me scroll the page?
  723. # [17:07] <faustFederel> Guest62415: try it and see? I don't have any context, I can't say
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  725. # [17:08] <faustFederel> Guest62415: if you apply it on the whole page, then no, you won't be able to scroll
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  727. # [17:08] <faustFederel> Guest62415: if you apply it on a container, you'll be sure that it will never let its contents overflow out of it
  728. # [17:08] <Guest62415> hmm i'll play around with it a bit more.. thanks for the help
  729. # [17:08] <Guest62415> i'm thinking so long as i don't but 100% height on the container, i will still be able to scroll..
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  948. # [20:17] <robierob> guys i have a question for you...or several...
  949. # [20:17] <robierob> can a simple localy created html page on my pc call and implament .sh files?
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  952. # [20:19] <moo-_-> robierob: can you eloborate your question a bit?
  953. # [20:19] <robierob> shure
  954. # [20:19] <moo-_-> with some background... why
  955. # [20:19] <moo-_-> and what is your goal
  956. # [20:19] <robierob> ok i am writting a program.. but i dont have c++ or what ever skills but i do have a bit of html...
  957. # [20:20] <robierob> can a simple html page call a .sh script
  958. # [20:20] <moo-_-> robierob: no
  959. # [20:20] <robierob> or can a html page call any local file?
  960. # [20:20] <moo-_-> if you want a HTML page to interact with your local computer
  961. # [20:21] <moo-_-> you need to run some sort of local web server on your computer
  962. # [20:21] <moo-_-> which does the operating system calls which are not possible due to HTML security
  963. # [20:21] <robierob> ......hmmm
  964. # [20:21] <robierob> so a web page cant use a local file?
  965. # [20:21] <robierob> then implament it?
  966. # [20:21] <moo-_-> robierob: only through "Open file" dialog
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  968. # [20:22] <robierob> hmmm maybe i am aproching this the wrong way
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  971. # [20:23] <moo-_-> robierob: most likely :)
  972. # [20:23] <moo-_-> robierob: so
  973. # [20:23] <moo-_-> what is your goal?
  974. # [20:23] <robierob> well i am creating a message encryption system....
  975. # [20:23] <robierob> that can interact with gmail
  976. # [20:23] <robierob> to send
  977. # [20:24] <robierob> the simplest thing i can think of is html..
  978. # [20:24] <robierob> lol
  979. # [20:25] <robierob> i load up the page...type my message click something..it does my special process then send it through my gmail account to whom ever i want to
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  982. # [20:27] <moo-_-> robierob: sorry, I am not following you
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  984. # [20:27] <robierob> lol... i its ok i got the same respone from the bash room
  985. # [20:27] <moo-_-> I still don't see how .sh is related to anything and what you are doing
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  987. # [20:27] <robierob> ...
  988. # [20:28] <robierob> ok...i know html can call pictures and other things from my pc as files.. to show on the page
  989. # [20:29] <robierob> moo-_-: whats your level of html knowlege
  990. # [20:29] <moo-_-> robierob: god-level
  991. # [20:29] <robierob> k cool
  992. # [20:29] <robierob> lol
  993. # [20:29] <robierob> ok a simple html page
  994. # [20:30] <robierob> with a txt window in the center and a type feild
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  996. # [20:31] <moo-_-> robierob: ok that's still something HTML can do :)
  997. # [20:31] <moo-_-> then what happens?
  998. # [20:31] <robierob> what ever i type apears
  999. # [20:32] <robierob> to buttons on the left hand or right hand.... one is encrypt/ other is decrypt
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  1001. # [20:33] <robierob> these buttons call a .sh file of what ever file...it performs its function locally still then outputs the result into the txt body
  1002. # [20:33] <robierob> still with me?
  1003. # [20:33] <moo-_-> robierob: yes
  1004. # [20:33] <moo-_-> ok this is how it happens
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  1006. # [20:33] <robierob> we still in the realm of html
  1007. # [20:33] <robierob> shoot
  1008. # [20:34] <moo-_-> robierob: you either do everything on the client-side, in the browser itself using JavaScript programming (not .sh programming)
  1009. # [20:34] <moo-_-> OR
  1010. # [20:34] <moo-_-> you implement a mini-server where HTML file does a HTTP POST request to localhost:8080 (or something where the web server is running on the local computer) and then this local web server either does your custom code directly or passes the data to .sh
  1011. # [20:34] <moo-_-> I recommend the former option
  1012. # [20:35] <robierob> k
  1013. # [20:35] <moo-_-> if your custom logic doable in JavaScript
  1014. # [20:35] <robierob> i dont know...
  1015. # [20:35] <robierob> ill have to look into that
  1016. # [20:35] <robierob> moo do you have any coding knowlege other then html?
  1017. # [20:36] <moo-_-> if you tell what your .sh file does then I can tell you right away if it's possible in JS
  1018. # [20:36] <robierob> ok
  1019. # [20:36] <moo-_-> robierob: know some C/C++, Java, C#, Bash, Python, JavaScript, Basic, PHP, and some not so mainstream programming languages
  1020. # [20:36] <robierob> the .sh files or bash script files are to do encoding processes...
  1021. # [20:37] <robierob> ok just for reference ... this program i am talking about is a roughly 10,000 bit encrytion
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  1023. # [20:37] <robierob> give or take
  1024. # [20:37] <moo-_-> robierob: which encryption it runs?
  1025. # [20:38] <robierob> ,,,,lol....mine
  1026. # [20:38] <robierob> custum
  1027. # [20:38] <robierob> ever heard of the enigma machine?
  1028. # [20:38] <moo-_-> robierob: implement your custom encryption in JavaScript
  1029. # [20:38] <moo-_-> and no need to call .sh or anything that complex
  1030. # [20:39] <robierob> i dont know java script... lol
  1031. # [20:39] <robierob> now this is all so we could be able to send it in an email/
  1032. # [20:39] <moo-_-> robierob: time to expand your knowledge! :)
  1033. # [20:39] <robierob> yup
  1034. # [20:39] <robierob> listen here... i am a genesus i am no coding guy
  1035. # [20:40] <robierob> lol
  1036. # [20:40] <robierob> ok moo stay with me here...
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  1038. # [20:40] <moo-_-> robierob: I will, at least next 1,5 hours
  1039. # [20:40] <robierob> what you are talking about will be able to send an email through gmail (after thats set up)...thought java script?
  1040. # [20:41] <moo-_-> robierob: it depends if gmail has necessary JavaScript APIs
  1041. # [20:41] <moo-_-> I am pretty sure it does
  1042. # [20:41] <moo-_-> but let me check
  1043. # [20:41] <robierob> ......ok so we are looking at what as far as process..
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  1045. # [20:42] <moo-_-> robierob: let me ask another
  1046. # [20:42] <moo-_-> robierob: what kind of access you need to Gmail
  1047. # [20:42] <robierob> html page-->java script-->call to gmail
  1048. # [20:42] <moo-_-> send email
  1049. # [20:42] <moo-_-> read existing emails?
  1050. # [20:42] <moo-_-> other?
  1051. # [20:42] <robierob> umm just to send and receive...
  1052. # [20:42] <moo-_-> sending is easy
  1053. # [20:42] <moo-_-> you don't need to go through gmail to do that
  1054. # [20:42] <robierob> the email receive would be a custom header/ subject grouping
  1055. # [20:42] <moo-_-> but let me check for read messges accss
  1056. # [20:43] <robierob> like i would send subject messeage (304 - lovley day ) and i would get back (any messages with (304 - anything)
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  1058. # [20:44] <robierob> throught the program we are talking about
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  1061. # [20:45] <robierob> i want all the sendings to be explicitly legal and up and up...
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  1063. # [20:45] <robierob> just encrypted with my process
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  1066. # [20:46] <moo-_-> robierob: ok
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  1068. # [20:46] <moo-_-> I guess gmail can be interacted only with IMAP protocol
  1069. # [20:46] <moo-_-> for things what you want to do
  1070. # [20:46] <robierob> just send and receive
  1071. # [20:46] <moo-_-> so you cannot do it purely in the client-side javascript
  1072. # [20:46] <moo-_-> and some kind of server-side programming is needed
  1073. # [20:46] <robierob> ohh
  1074. # [20:47] <robierob> hey ... do you know how craigs list interacks with gmail
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  1077. # [20:47] <robierob> its very simple and stream lilned
  1078. # [20:48] <moo-_-> nope, never used craiglist as I am not from U.S.
  1079. # [20:48] <robierob> hmm..
  1080. # [20:48] <robierob> ok lets say it this way
  1081. # [20:49] <robierob> all the writting and encoding will be done on my machine...just the sending and receiving will be with gmail
  1082. # [20:49] <robierob> or yahoo... or any email web client
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  1084. # [20:49] <robierob> but i like gmail... lol
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  1086. # [20:50] <moo-_-> robierob: the technically correct approach would be use IMAP protocol which all email servers support
  1087. # [20:50] <moo-_-> and it should be able to do what you want
  1088. # [20:50] <robierob> and can you break down for me just a sec about what imap protocal is
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  1092. # [20:54] <moo-_-> robierob: check wikipedia page
  1093. # [20:54] <moo-_-> it's how email clients discuss with email servers
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  1095. # [20:54] <robierob> ok
  1096. # [20:54] <moo-_-> and also web mails expose IMAP API to your server
  1097. # [20:54] <moo-_-> it is what your iPhone uses to talk to GMail
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  1100. # [20:55] <robierob> ok....and if i wanted to (see) only messages with (304 - what ever subject line) how would that work?
  1101. # [20:55] <Left_Turn> do all web (server) apps, involve coding on both client & server end?
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  1104. # [20:57] <moo-_-> robierob: yes
  1105. # [20:57] <moo-_-> IMAP provides search() function
  1106. # [20:58] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: no, there are purely client side apps and something which can be "statically deployed"
  1107. # [20:58] <moo-_-> i.e. only bunch of HTML, JS and CSS files
  1108. # [20:58] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: for example, most of HTML5 games are client-side only
  1109. # [20:59] <Left_Turn> oh i see
  1110. # [20:59] <Left_Turn> graphics on html5 and css are different?
  1111. # [20:59] <Left_Turn> its possible to make games with both?
  1112. # [21:01] <robierob> moo-_-: do you know anyone interested in coding something at the level we are talking about. they gotta be good in C++, and javascript.
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  1114. # [21:01] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: most HTML games user <canvas> or WebGL
  1115. # [21:02] <moo-_-> robierob: I suggest you poll your local programmer community if you are in touch with them
  1116. # [21:02] <moo-_-> robierob: I know plenty of professional developers, but this task would be probably too low-end for them
  1117. # [21:02] <Left_Turn> oh.. moo-_- if i want to start making androids apps.. is html5 a good alternative to java?
  1118. # [21:02] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: no
  1119. # [21:02] <Left_Turn> oh why:(
  1120. # [21:02] <moo-_-> or it depends
  1121. # [21:02] <moo-_-> what kind of apps you are doing
  1122. # [21:03] <Left_Turn> well games.. and possible apps that use a lot of data/databases
  1123. # [21:03] <moo-_-> however if you have no background knowledge in programming and you want to develop on Android I suggest you stick on Java
  1124. # [21:03] <moo-_-> because it is the default
  1125. # [21:03] <Left_Turn> oh im good with python
  1126. # [21:03] <robierob> hmmm...
  1127. # [21:04] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: well, Python and mobile don't blend well >_< http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16082586/challenges-when-doing-mobile-application-development-with-python/16082836#16082836
  1128. # [21:04] <robierob> what about an encryption standard that is unbreakable.
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  1130. # [21:04] <robierob> and i will be selling it as well
  1131. # [21:04] <Left_Turn> :(
  1132. # [21:04] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: however there was some Python specific SDK for mobile game development
  1133. # [21:04] <moo-_-> let me see
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  1135. # [21:05] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: http://kivy.org/#home
  1136. # [21:05] <moo-_-> sorry, was not game specific
  1137. # [21:05] <moo-_-> but should get you started
  1138. # [21:05] <Left_Turn> i was more interested in html5:(
  1139. # [21:05] <moo-_-> if you are doing for fun
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  1141. # [21:05] <Left_Turn> so python before html5?
  1142. # [21:06] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: it is possible to HTML5 hybrid apps, but they have issues which you are probably not comfortable to solve unless you have serious experience in JS and HTML5 and Android
  1143. # [21:06] <Left_Turn> oh i see
  1144. # [21:06] <Left_Turn> so leave html5 for web apps
  1145. # [21:08] <moo-_-> if you are serious about game development you should get some native game development kit which ports well
  1146. # [21:09] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: here http://www.cocos2d-x.org/
  1147. # [21:09] <Left_Turn> objective c?
  1148. # [21:10] <Left_Turn> moo-_-, im not just interested in games but also different type of apps
  1149. # [21:11] <Left_Turn> or mobile
  1150. # [21:11] <Left_Turn> for*
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  1154. # [21:12] <Left_Turn> does the cocos replace javascript get_context etc?
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  1160. # [21:18] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: I have no idea.
  1161. # [21:19] <Left_Turn> oh ok no worries:)
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  1238. # [22:41] <Ansem> Best HTML5 wiki solution? preferably hosted?
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  1240. # [22:42] <moo-_-> Ansem: wiki and HTML5 are decoupled problems
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  1242. # [22:42] <moo-_-> you can have any wiki with HTML5 theme
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  1244. # [22:42] <moo-_-> what are you after?
  1245. # [22:42] <Ansem> I'm trying to find a decent wiki engine, with a front end that is html5
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  1247. # [22:43] <Ansem> I'm not too concerned with what the backend is in (php, ruby, whatever)
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  1249. # [22:43] <Ansem> mostly I want a frontend geared towards html5/modern UI/UX design
  1250. # [22:43] <Ansem> (Sorry, I realize this isn't a super specific list)
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