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- # [00:49] <ShooterMG> Anyone know how to detect when the mobile device is turned off, or the mobile browser is closed or minimized?
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- # [00:54] <hober> ShooterMG: this isn't a complete answer, but have you tried the page visibility api?
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- # [00:54] <ShooterMG> hober no, but i'll look into it now. Thanks :)
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- # [00:57] <ShooterMG> that looks exactly like what I need! :)
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- # [08:31] <gurke_> good morning. :)
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- # [09:09] <sudosaid> Anyone familiar with html5 in here? lmao
- # [09:09] <gurke_> what a question
- # [09:10] <sudosaid> Yeah, having a problem getting canvas' drawImage to work.
- # [09:10] <yealinozph> just say it
- # [09:11] <sudosaid> Sorry, multitasking.
- # [09:11] <sudosaid> I'm declaring my image var to new Image()
- # [09:11] <sudosaid> and setting it's src to it's filename, and the file is in my projects folder
- # [09:11] <sudosaid> but when I try and draw it it doesnt work.
- # [09:12] <sudosaid> My context is being accessed properly because I can fillRect and other drawing, but drawImage just doesn't work.
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- # [09:14] <sudosaid> I'm sorry, I'm trying to remember that website so I can upload a text file of my source...
- # [09:14] <sudosaid> I'm a little scatter-brained today, forgive me. haha
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- # [09:18] <sudosaid> Here is a link to my file http://textuploader.com/199r
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- # [09:19] <sudosaid> Also, there is an error in that file. "cr.drawImage" should be "ct.drawImage" but it still doesn't work after fixing the error.
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- # [09:23] <sudosaid> And I've also tried to drawImage during the image onload event, but still had no success.
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- # [16:58] <Guest62415> it seems that absolute elements can cause overflow in it's parent element. Is there anyway to avoid this?
- # [16:58] <Guest62415> without overflow hidden on the parent?
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- # [17:01] <faustFederel> Guest62415: any element can cause overflow?
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- # [17:02] <faustFederel> Guest62415: if you keep your element in the flow, it theoretically doesn't overflow
- # [17:02] <Guest62415> faustFederel, i was always under the impression that absolute elements had no effect on anything, but when pushed beyond the boundries of the parent, i'm getting scrollbars.
- # [17:03] <Guest62415> Thing is, i'm trying to implement a mobile phone menu and need it pushed left: 100% and out of view..
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- # [17:05] <faustFederel> Guest62415: I guess your parent element has overflow: scoll somewhere?
- # [17:05] <faustFederel> Guest62415: you want to use overflow: hidden
- # [17:07] <Guest62415> faustFederel, would that still let me scroll the page?
- # [17:07] <faustFederel> Guest62415: try it and see? I don't have any context, I can't say
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- # [17:08] <faustFederel> Guest62415: if you apply it on the whole page, then no, you won't be able to scroll
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- # [17:08] <faustFederel> Guest62415: if you apply it on a container, you'll be sure that it will never let its contents overflow out of it
- # [17:08] <Guest62415> hmm i'll play around with it a bit more.. thanks for the help
- # [17:08] <Guest62415> i'm thinking so long as i don't but 100% height on the container, i will still be able to scroll..
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- # [20:17] <robierob> guys i have a question for you...or several...
- # [20:17] <robierob> can a simple localy created html page on my pc call and implament .sh files?
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- # [20:19] <moo-_-> robierob: can you eloborate your question a bit?
- # [20:19] <robierob> shure
- # [20:19] <moo-_-> with some background... why
- # [20:19] <moo-_-> and what is your goal
- # [20:19] <robierob> ok i am writting a program.. but i dont have c++ or what ever skills but i do have a bit of html...
- # [20:20] <robierob> can a simple html page call a .sh script
- # [20:20] <moo-_-> robierob: no
- # [20:20] <robierob> or can a html page call any local file?
- # [20:20] <moo-_-> if you want a HTML page to interact with your local computer
- # [20:21] <moo-_-> you need to run some sort of local web server on your computer
- # [20:21] <moo-_-> which does the operating system calls which are not possible due to HTML security
- # [20:21] <robierob> ......hmmm
- # [20:21] <robierob> so a web page cant use a local file?
- # [20:21] <robierob> then implament it?
- # [20:21] <moo-_-> robierob: only through "Open file" dialog
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- # [20:22] <robierob> hmmm maybe i am aproching this the wrong way
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- # [20:23] <moo-_-> robierob: most likely :)
- # [20:23] <moo-_-> robierob: so
- # [20:23] <moo-_-> what is your goal?
- # [20:23] <robierob> well i am creating a message encryption system....
- # [20:23] <robierob> that can interact with gmail
- # [20:23] <robierob> to send
- # [20:24] <robierob> the simplest thing i can think of is html..
- # [20:24] <robierob> lol
- # [20:25] <robierob> i load up the page...type my message click something..it does my special process then send it through my gmail account to whom ever i want to
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- # [20:27] <moo-_-> robierob: sorry, I am not following you
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- # [20:27] <robierob> lol... i its ok i got the same respone from the bash room
- # [20:27] <moo-_-> I still don't see how .sh is related to anything and what you are doing
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- # [20:27] <robierob> ...
- # [20:28] <robierob> ok...i know html can call pictures and other things from my pc as files.. to show on the page
- # [20:29] <robierob> moo-_-: whats your level of html knowlege
- # [20:29] <moo-_-> robierob: god-level
- # [20:29] <robierob> k cool
- # [20:29] <robierob> lol
- # [20:29] <robierob> ok a simple html page
- # [20:30] <robierob> with a txt window in the center and a type feild
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- # [20:31] <moo-_-> robierob: ok that's still something HTML can do :)
- # [20:31] <moo-_-> then what happens?
- # [20:31] <robierob> what ever i type apears
- # [20:32] <robierob> to buttons on the left hand or right hand.... one is encrypt/ other is decrypt
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- # [20:33] <robierob> these buttons call a .sh file of what ever file...it performs its function locally still then outputs the result into the txt body
- # [20:33] <robierob> still with me?
- # [20:33] <moo-_-> robierob: yes
- # [20:33] <moo-_-> ok this is how it happens
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- # [20:33] <robierob> we still in the realm of html
- # [20:33] <robierob> shoot
- # [20:34] <moo-_-> robierob: you either do everything on the client-side, in the browser itself using JavaScript programming (not .sh programming)
- # [20:34] <moo-_-> OR
- # [20:34] <moo-_-> you implement a mini-server where HTML file does a HTTP POST request to localhost:8080 (or something where the web server is running on the local computer) and then this local web server either does your custom code directly or passes the data to .sh
- # [20:34] <moo-_-> I recommend the former option
- # [20:35] <robierob> k
- # [20:35] <moo-_-> if your custom logic doable in JavaScript
- # [20:35] <robierob> i dont know...
- # [20:35] <robierob> ill have to look into that
- # [20:35] <robierob> moo do you have any coding knowlege other then html?
- # [20:36] <moo-_-> if you tell what your .sh file does then I can tell you right away if it's possible in JS
- # [20:36] <robierob> ok
- # [20:36] <moo-_-> robierob: know some C/C++, Java, C#, Bash, Python, JavaScript, Basic, PHP, and some not so mainstream programming languages
- # [20:36] <robierob> the .sh files or bash script files are to do encoding processes...
- # [20:37] <robierob> ok just for reference ... this program i am talking about is a roughly 10,000 bit encrytion
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- # [20:37] <robierob> give or take
- # [20:37] <moo-_-> robierob: which encryption it runs?
- # [20:38] <robierob> ,,,,lol....mine
- # [20:38] <robierob> custum
- # [20:38] <robierob> ever heard of the enigma machine?
- # [20:38] <moo-_-> robierob: implement your custom encryption in JavaScript
- # [20:38] <moo-_-> and no need to call .sh or anything that complex
- # [20:39] <robierob> i dont know java script... lol
- # [20:39] <robierob> now this is all so we could be able to send it in an email/
- # [20:39] <moo-_-> robierob: time to expand your knowledge! :)
- # [20:39] <robierob> yup
- # [20:39] <robierob> listen here... i am a genesus i am no coding guy
- # [20:40] <robierob> lol
- # [20:40] <robierob> ok moo stay with me here...
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- # [20:40] <moo-_-> robierob: I will, at least next 1,5 hours
- # [20:40] <robierob> what you are talking about will be able to send an email through gmail (after thats set up)...thought java script?
- # [20:41] <moo-_-> robierob: it depends if gmail has necessary JavaScript APIs
- # [20:41] <moo-_-> I am pretty sure it does
- # [20:41] <moo-_-> but let me check
- # [20:41] <robierob> ......ok so we are looking at what as far as process..
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- # [20:42] <moo-_-> robierob: let me ask another
- # [20:42] <moo-_-> robierob: what kind of access you need to Gmail
- # [20:42] <robierob> html page-->java script-->call to gmail
- # [20:42] <moo-_-> send email
- # [20:42] <moo-_-> read existing emails?
- # [20:42] <moo-_-> other?
- # [20:42] <robierob> umm just to send and receive...
- # [20:42] <moo-_-> sending is easy
- # [20:42] <moo-_-> you don't need to go through gmail to do that
- # [20:42] <robierob> the email receive would be a custom header/ subject grouping
- # [20:42] <moo-_-> but let me check for read messges accss
- # [20:43] <robierob> like i would send subject messeage (304 - lovley day ) and i would get back (any messages with (304 - anything)
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- # [20:44] <robierob> throught the program we are talking about
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- # [20:45] <robierob> i want all the sendings to be explicitly legal and up and up...
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- # [20:45] <robierob> just encrypted with my process
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- # [20:46] <moo-_-> robierob: ok
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- # [20:46] <moo-_-> I guess gmail can be interacted only with IMAP protocol
- # [20:46] <moo-_-> for things what you want to do
- # [20:46] <robierob> just send and receive
- # [20:46] <moo-_-> so you cannot do it purely in the client-side javascript
- # [20:46] <moo-_-> and some kind of server-side programming is needed
- # [20:46] <robierob> ohh
- # [20:47] <robierob> hey ... do you know how craigs list interacks with gmail
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- # [20:47] <robierob> its very simple and stream lilned
- # [20:48] <moo-_-> nope, never used craiglist as I am not from U.S.
- # [20:48] <robierob> hmm..
- # [20:48] <robierob> ok lets say it this way
- # [20:49] <robierob> all the writting and encoding will be done on my machine...just the sending and receiving will be with gmail
- # [20:49] <robierob> or yahoo... or any email web client
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- # [20:49] <robierob> but i like gmail... lol
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- # [20:50] <moo-_-> robierob: the technically correct approach would be use IMAP protocol which all email servers support
- # [20:50] <moo-_-> and it should be able to do what you want
- # [20:50] <robierob> and can you break down for me just a sec about what imap protocal is
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- # [20:54] <moo-_-> robierob: check wikipedia page
- # [20:54] <moo-_-> it's how email clients discuss with email servers
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- # [20:54] <robierob> ok
- # [20:54] <moo-_-> and also web mails expose IMAP API to your server
- # [20:54] <moo-_-> it is what your iPhone uses to talk to GMail
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- # [20:55] <robierob> ok....and if i wanted to (see) only messages with (304 - what ever subject line) how would that work?
- # [20:55] <Left_Turn> do all web (server) apps, involve coding on both client & server end?
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- # [20:57] <moo-_-> robierob: yes
- # [20:57] <moo-_-> IMAP provides search() function
- # [20:58] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: no, there are purely client side apps and something which can be "statically deployed"
- # [20:58] <moo-_-> i.e. only bunch of HTML, JS and CSS files
- # [20:58] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: for example, most of HTML5 games are client-side only
- # [20:59] <Left_Turn> oh i see
- # [20:59] <Left_Turn> graphics on html5 and css are different?
- # [20:59] <Left_Turn> its possible to make games with both?
- # [21:01] <robierob> moo-_-: do you know anyone interested in coding something at the level we are talking about. they gotta be good in C++, and javascript.
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- # [21:01] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: most HTML games user <canvas> or WebGL
- # [21:02] <moo-_-> robierob: I suggest you poll your local programmer community if you are in touch with them
- # [21:02] <moo-_-> robierob: I know plenty of professional developers, but this task would be probably too low-end for them
- # [21:02] <Left_Turn> oh.. moo-_- if i want to start making androids apps.. is html5 a good alternative to java?
- # [21:02] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: no
- # [21:02] <Left_Turn> oh why:(
- # [21:02] <moo-_-> or it depends
- # [21:02] <moo-_-> what kind of apps you are doing
- # [21:03] <Left_Turn> well games.. and possible apps that use a lot of data/databases
- # [21:03] <moo-_-> however if you have no background knowledge in programming and you want to develop on Android I suggest you stick on Java
- # [21:03] <moo-_-> because it is the default
- # [21:03] <Left_Turn> oh im good with python
- # [21:03] <robierob> hmmm...
- # [21:04] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: well, Python and mobile don't blend well >_< http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16082586/challenges-when-doing-mobile-application-development-with-python/16082836#16082836
- # [21:04] <robierob> what about an encryption standard that is unbreakable.
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- # [21:04] <robierob> and i will be selling it as well
- # [21:04] <Left_Turn> :(
- # [21:04] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: however there was some Python specific SDK for mobile game development
- # [21:04] <moo-_-> let me see
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- # [21:05] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: http://kivy.org/#home
- # [21:05] <moo-_-> sorry, was not game specific
- # [21:05] <moo-_-> but should get you started
- # [21:05] <Left_Turn> i was more interested in html5:(
- # [21:05] <moo-_-> if you are doing for fun
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- # [21:05] <Left_Turn> so python before html5?
- # [21:06] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: it is possible to HTML5 hybrid apps, but they have issues which you are probably not comfortable to solve unless you have serious experience in JS and HTML5 and Android
- # [21:06] <Left_Turn> oh i see
- # [21:06] <Left_Turn> so leave html5 for web apps
- # [21:08] <moo-_-> if you are serious about game development you should get some native game development kit which ports well
- # [21:09] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: here http://www.cocos2d-x.org/
- # [21:09] <Left_Turn> objective c?
- # [21:10] <Left_Turn> moo-_-, im not just interested in games but also different type of apps
- # [21:11] <Left_Turn> or mobile
- # [21:11] <Left_Turn> for*
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- # [21:12] <Left_Turn> does the cocos replace javascript get_context etc?
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- # [21:19] <Left_Turn> oh ok no worries:)
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- # [22:42] <moo-_-> you can have any wiki with HTML5 theme
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- # [22:42] <moo-_-> what are you after?
- # [22:42] <Ansem> I'm trying to find a decent wiki engine, with a front end that is html5
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- # [22:43] <Ansem> I'm not too concerned with what the backend is in (php, ruby, whatever)
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- # [22:43] <Ansem> mostly I want a frontend geared towards html5/modern UI/UX design
- # [22:43] <Ansem> (Sorry, I realize this isn't a super specific list)
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The end :)