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  246. # [06:35] <dekiss> how will old browsers parse html5 shemantic elements - header footer section article?
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  251. # [06:54] <moo-_-> dekiss: google html5 shim
  252. # [06:54] <moo-_-> dekiss: basically they parse any HTML tags without hickups
  253. # [06:54] <moo-_-> some CSS polyfill is needed
  254. # [06:55] <dekiss> moo-_- what are hickups?
  255. # [06:55] <moo-_-> distinction between default display: block and display: inline styles for unknown elements
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  276. # [07:34] <dekiss2> moo-_- thanks
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  419. # [11:09] <pl2> Hello, i have an element that contains an element that is positioned absolutely. so, naturally, the parent element has zero height. when I set the parent's overflow-x to hidden, it also hides all the the content along the y axis. I'm guessing because the parent has no height. But why is this and is there a way to avoid it? cheers
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  421. # [11:10] <xec> don't set overflow to hidden?
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  424. # [11:13] <pl2> xec, i need to :)
  425. # [11:13] <xec> set a height? :)
  426. # [11:14] <xec> may i ask why you need to btw
  427. # [11:14] <pl2> yeah, i'm thinking i may have to. Was trying to avoid it to keep it flexible
  428. # [11:14] <pl2> phone layout.. the menu off to the side was causing x overflow
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  448. # [11:43] <anny__> i want to use to use css3 instead of canvas 2d to do my animations in my game, the basic 2 functionality that i need is moving an image and scaling it but i want to be able to do it from javascript, any pointers?
  449. # [11:44] <faustFederel> anny__: you'll need to define transitions/animations on the fly
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  451. # [11:44] <faustFederel> ?
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  453. # [11:45] <faustFederel> anny__: you'll have to modify the stylesheet rules with JS if you want to reach several elements at a time
  454. # [11:45] <anny__> fausFederel: excuse me but im not very experienced in web, but i came across this project http://visionmedia.github.io/move.js/ however, i want to roll my own implementation
  455. # [11:46] <anny__> or at least understand the underlying work
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  457. # [11:47] <faustFederel> anny__: oh ok :) mh...
  458. # [11:48] <faustFederel> anny__: it looks they're using transitions only.
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  460. # [11:49] <faustFederel> anny__: they probably select the element via JS and simply write its transition and other properties
  461. # [11:51] <faustFederel> anny__: ok. so,
  462. # [11:52] <faustFederel> anny__: here is what they do: element.style.transition = "[value of the transition CSS property]";
  463. # [11:52] <anny__> yes, it seems so, im reading the code... Using canvas 2d, i used to draw my sprites at certain positions, clear the screen, compute the new position, and redraw, can i do the same using css3?
  464. # [11:53] <faustFederel> anny__: you can then change the styles and it will apply the transition
  465. # [11:53] <faustFederel> anny__: yup, you could
  466. # [11:53] <anny__> how can i do this
  467. # [11:54] <anny__> as far as im reading, you have to specify transitions which handles the animation from point a to b
  468. # [11:54] <faustFederel> anny__: you can either rely completely on CSS3 translate(), or display your game in a wide container with overflow:hidden and use absolute positioning
  469. # [11:54] <faustFederel> anny__: exactly. transitions just take care of doing a smooth interpolation from property value A to value B
  470. # [11:55] <anny__> mmm... well, im doing the interpolation in my engine
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  472. # [11:55] <faustFederel> anny__: CSS animations will be used when you need something to be repeated x times/infinitely
  473. # [11:55] <anny__> actually i want to use CSS3 instead of canvas 2d because it uses the gpu
  474. # [11:56] <anny__> and on some mobile devices it's better then canvas 2d
  475. # [11:56] <faustFederel> anny__: if your objects have sophisticated paths, then CSS transitions won't be really useful : /
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  477. # [11:56] <anny__> but do u think setting the absolute values instead of using css3 transitions is good?
  478. # [11:56] <faustFederel> anny__: I mean for a complex path, you'll have to apply translate(x1, y1), and then translate(x2, y2)
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  480. # [11:56] <anny__> yes exactly
  481. # [11:57] <anny__> actually my path is an array of points computed by an interpolator
  482. # [11:57] <anny__> so for x,y=x1,y1->xn,yn call translate(x,y)
  483. # [11:58] <faustFederel> anny__: I see.
  484. # [11:59] <faustFederel> anny__: hm... it's hard to say what's best. CSS transitions should be used whenever possible since they're probably optimised. however, for one transition, you'll be limited to a straight line path
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  486. # [12:00] <faustFederel> anny__: .... know what? If I were you I'd forget about transitions and go with animations.
  487. # [12:00] <faustFederel> anny__: .... they're more powerful since you can set keyframes
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  490. # [12:00] <faustFederel> anny__: you'll be able to say go to x,y at start, then at 66% you must be at x2,y2
  491. # [12:00] <faustFederel> anny__: and in the end (100%), go to x3, y3
  492. # [12:01] <faustFederel> anny__: by the way, your approach will only be working on modern browsers. you can forget about IE8 compatibility
  493. # [12:03] <faustFederel> anny__: if you want to use the GPU, I'd forget about the absolute positioning and only use translate().
  494. # [12:04] <anny__> mmm...
  495. # [12:05] <anny__> ill see if i can do that
  496. # [12:05] <faustFederel> anny__: you're doing something geeky you know? :) I'm trying to anticipate the use cases you'll have,...
  497. # [12:06] <faustFederel> anny__: transitions will certainly be useful too, since you'll maybe need to switch smoothly from a sliding to a bouncing animation.
  498. # [12:07] <faustFederel> anny__: all this will start getting very tricky when it comes to collision box though...
  499. # [12:07] <faustFederel> anny__: you'll need to get the CSS value of a property at that very moment. if you can't do that, you'll have to calculate it.
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  508. # [12:11] <faustFederel> anny__: you can also go the plain and simple way? and jsut keep your existing code and apply translate() to the element in loop, quickly?
  509. # [12:11] <faustFederel> anny__: all this requires lots of testing and profiling
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  514. # [12:16] <faustFederel> anny__: good news! I just tested it in Firefox. it looks like you can get the value without any problem with this:
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  516. # [12:17] <faustFederel> anny__: var css_decl = window.getComputedStyle( your_element );
  517. # [12:18] <faustFederel> anny__: followed by css_decl.getPropertyValue( 'property_name' );
  518. # [12:19] <xec> i think you can do justs css_decl.property_name
  519. # [12:19] <xec> s/justs/just
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  521. # [12:22] <faustFederel> xec: cool, even shorter
  522. # [12:22] <faustFederel> xec: mh... if he uses translate() only, getComputedStyle seems to work but it returns a matrix() ... : /
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  524. # [12:24] <faustFederel> xec: he'll probably lose some perfs if he has to parse constantly
  525. # [12:25] <faustFederel> have to go. I'll come back later.
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  529. # [12:34] <xec> anny__: http://jsfiddle.net/4Dm3k/1/
  530. # [12:34] <xec> anny__: is something like that what you're after?
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  547. # [13:03] <anny__> sorry, i had a phone call
  548. # [13:03] <anny__> xec: yes
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  550. # [13:04] <anny__> but in your example, you're increasing the x coordinate by 10 and the css engine is handling the interpolation, whereas in my case i need to pass the interpolated values on each frame
  551. # [13:04] <anny__> and there, where im not sure if it will be efficient this way
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  553. # [13:05] <xec> why don't you want to let css do the heavy lifting?
  554. # [13:07] <xec> anny__: if you want control over every step, you might want to look at requestAnimationFrame http://www.paulirish.com/2011/requestanimationframe-for-smart-animating/
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  556. # [13:08] <anny__> im already using it to call my animation loop when using canvas 2d drawing
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  575. # [13:44] <anny__> i managed to make a simple translation, turned out to be easy, however, it's only working in firefox, here's my code http://pastebin.com/SrtGG4eW if someone has the time to take a quick look
  576. # [13:44] <anny__> thx
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  847. # [18:13] <GreatPotato> Is it valid to use a label as a container?
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  849. # [18:13] <GreatPotato> <label><div> ... </div></label>
  850. # [18:13] <GreatPotato> For example?
  851. # [18:14] <faustFederel> GreatPotato: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/label
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  860. # [18:17] <bePolite> paul_irish: Hey
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  862. # [18:17] <GreatPotato> faustFederel: Thanks, so thats a "no" :)
  863. # [18:17] <faustFederel> GreatPotato: yup. a no and some advertising to an awesome documentation website :D
  864. # [18:18] <faustFederel> GreatPotato: you could use display: block on the label though :)
  865. # [18:18] <GreatPotato> That wouldn't be valid still though would it/
  866. # [18:18] <GreatPotato> >
  867. # [18:18] <GreatPotato> ?
  868. # [18:18] <faustFederel> GreatPotato: why wouldn't it?
  869. # [18:18] <GreatPotato> I don't think it'd pass W3c HTML5 validation?
  870. # [18:19] <GreatPotato> Since CSS wouldn't apply...
  871. # [18:20] <faustFederel> as long as your HTML is logical, it is valid? you can then display it the way you want with CSS
  872. # [18:20] <faustFederel> (logical from the validator's point of view)
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  874. # [18:22] <GreatPotato> Yeh but if you look at the permitted content of https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/label
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  876. # [18:22] <GreatPotato> You'll see that only phrasing content is allowed
  877. # [18:23] <GreatPotato> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Content_categories?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Web%2FHTML%2FContent_categories#Phrasing_content
  878. # [18:23] <GreatPotato> I think it'd work in most cases, but not 100% of the time
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  880. # [18:24] <faustFederel> GreatPotato: oh, ok!
  881. # [18:25] <GreatPotato> Thats my understanding anuwau
  882. # [18:25] <faustFederel> GreatPotato: you'd like to put everything you want in it? then no, it's a bad idea :D
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  1198. # [21:21] <andrew9183> hello, can i pick someones brain on a concept
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  1223. # [21:32] <bePolite> you can pick yours
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