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  252. # [04:59] <hayuto> anyone here
  253. # [04:59] <hayuto> does hls really works with html5 video or its just a myth
  254. # [04:59] <hayuto> cause i cant get it working
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  264. # [05:18] <derryl> hayuto: http://www.jwplayer.com/html5/hls/
  265. # [05:19] <hayuto> i know
  266. # [05:19] <hayuto> i use nginx hls
  267. # [05:19] <hayuto> on freebsd machine
  268. # [05:19] <hayuto> it works localy
  269. # [05:19] <hayuto> but no browser play it when i put it in video tag
  270. # [05:19] <hayuto> rmtp works
  271. # [05:20] <hayuto> chrome just downloads the file
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  274. # [05:23] <derryl> hmm
  275. # [05:23] <derryl> sounds like incorrect MIME type being provided by the server
  276. # [05:24] <derryl> but i may be naive, since i haven't messed around with HLS
  277. # [05:24] <hayuto> no i tried both, which are provided on that website you gave
  278. # [05:24] <derryl> dang, then i'm sorry -- you've probably got more insight on it than i do
  279. # [05:24] <hayuto> i have no idea
  280. # [05:24] <hayuto> :D
  281. # [05:24] <hayuto> well
  282. # [05:24] <hayuto> it just for android tought
  283. # [05:24] <derryl> but if it's trying to download the file, smells like MIME type to me
  284. # [05:25] <hayuto> cause now when they removed flash from play store
  285. # [05:25] <derryl> Android is a cesspool of despair
  286. # [05:25] <hayuto> newbs cant watch streams
  287. # [05:26] <derryl> have you found any examples of HLS that work on your test device?
  288. # [05:26] <derryl> or is it broken for everyone
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  290. # [05:27] <hayuto> yeah
  291. # [05:27] <hayuto> wait i try this website on my phone
  292. # [05:28] <hayuto> hmm it works
  293. # [05:28] <hayuto> but i dont know if its really live stream
  294. # [05:28] <hayuto> it ends after some time
  295. # [05:28] <derryl> use CharlesProxy and see what headers it's passing
  296. # [05:29] <hayuto> its not the same as having a endless video in src
  297. # [05:29] <derryl> Charles will tell all
  298. # [05:29] <hayuto> charles proxy
  299. # [05:29] <derryl> sî
  300. # [05:29] <derryl> have you used it before?
  301. # [05:29] <derryl> very helpful for mobile dev
  302. # [05:29] <derryl> or for a variety of other things
  303. # [05:29] <hayuto> you mean test it on my website
  304. # [05:30] <hayuto> on pc?
  305. # [05:30] <derryl> to test that site you just found, on your Android device
  306. # [05:30] <derryl> you can proxy your phone through your computer, so you can see exactly what's going on
  307. # [05:30] <derryl> requests, mainly
  308. # [05:30] <derryl> it'll show you every last little thing, including POST data, headers, etc.
  309. # [05:31] <derryl> so you can see how they're serving up the video -- from the server-side
  310. # [05:31] <derryl> do you have a PC or Mac?
  311. # [05:31] <derryl> if PC, you can also use Fiddler -- it's basically the same thing
  312. # [05:32] <derryl> http://fiddler2.com/
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  317. # [05:43] <hayuto> .m3u8 is content-type text/html
  318. # [05:44] <hayuto> on my test page
  319. # [05:44] <hayuto> its just this http://37.59.202.234:13331/hls/player.html
  320. # [05:48] <hayuto> i think i must ask on nginx server channel cause obviously it doesnt put proper headers
  321. # [05:54] <hayuto> derryl: its proper
  322. # [05:55] <hayuto> http://i.imgur.com/6Kh7L56.png
  323. # [05:55] <hayuto> it should work
  324. # [05:56] <hayuto> the server is sending proper mime type
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  327. # [05:57] <hayuto> wth it suddenly start working, sorry for wasting your time
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  334. # [06:03] <derryl> it's cool -- that's what I'm here for
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  346. # [06:31] <wefo> Which fonts can I assume that people have? What about Stencil? And what happens if they do not have it installed? NOTE: In Canvas 2D context.
  347. # [06:31] <wefo> I want to guarantee pixel perfection and not have any ambiguity.
  348. # [06:31] <wefo> Pixel perfection where reasonable, that is.
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  350. # [06:32] <derryl> http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html
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  352. # [06:33] <derryl> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2065818/what-fonts-are-available-on-android
  353. # [06:33] <derryl> http://iosfonts.com/
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  355. # [06:33] <derryl> that should cover the majority of platforms -- except Linux
  356. # [06:33] <derryl> so i guess a shorter answer would be -- provide your own typeface if you want pixel perfection
  357. # [06:36] <derryl> wefo: although this also --> http://www.typography.com/cloud/the-fonts/#ssm-render-quality
  358. # [06:36] <derryl> so i guess the shorter answer would be: despair, for it is all in vain
  359. # [06:39] <hayuto> so
  360. # [06:39] <hayuto> can you test it
  361. # [06:39] <hayuto> on your phone?
  362. # [06:39] <hayuto> http://37.59.202.234:13331/hls/
  363. # [06:39] <hayuto> does it play livestream
  364. # [06:40] <derryl> i don't have a droid
  365. # [06:40] <hayuto> it kind of loses frames on nexus 4
  366. # [06:40] <hayuto> oh
  367. # [06:40] <hayuto> i dont know if its phone fault
  368. # [06:41] <derryl> actually i have a couple but they are at work
  369. # [06:41] <derryl> i could test tomorrow
  370. # [06:41] <hayuto> ok
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  399. # [07:25] <wefo> Dammit.
  400. # [07:25] <wefo> Why do people disappear?
  401. # [07:25] <wefo> Before I can talk to them.
  402. # [07:25] <wefo> derryl did.
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  687. # [14:31] <wefo> I get bizarre glitches when stroking a text in Canvas 2D: http://i.imgur.com/XWOSA4l.png
  688. # [14:31] <wefo> That is supposed to be a thick black line around the text with lineWidth 8. It looks less insane if lineWidth is 2, but still has glitches. This feels really crippling.
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  690. # [14:31] <wefo> Instead, it looks like some kind of death metal/punk font.
  691. # [14:31] <wefo> Insane, spikey thingies.
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  695. # [14:33] <dahlfors1> I always suspected canvas was the death metal of html
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  705. # [14:46] <paulrouget> wefo: this happens when you use strokeText?
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  708. # [14:47] <paulrouget> wefo: does it happen with a normal font too? Maybe the outline of your font is all messed up
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  712. # [14:48] <wefo> paulrouget: Well, let me check.
  713. # [14:48] <wefo> Yes, strokeText.
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  720. # [14:50] <wefo> paulrouget: Sorry for the delay. Yes, it still happens with a standard font such as Arial.
  721. # [14:50] <wefo> BUT it happens far less.
  722. # [14:50] <wefo> But even once is of course too many times.
  723. # [14:50] <wefo> But it clearly seems to be related to the font somehow.
  724. # [14:51] <wefo> Very, very annoying IMO.
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  726. # [14:51] <wefo> I can only decorate my text with a shadow? Not even an outline (stroke)?
  727. # [14:51] <wefo> That is very "poor"/cheap.
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  730. # [14:55] <paulrouget> it should work.
  731. # [14:55] <paulrouget> wefo: mind sharing your code?
  732. # [14:55] <paulrouget> wefo: same result with Chrome and Firefox?
  733. # [14:55] <wefo> I don't have Chrome installed.
  734. # [14:55] <paulrouget> wefo: so only Firefox?
  735. # [14:55] <paulrouget> (or IE / Safari)
  736. # [14:55] <wefo> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WTr0jzzq <- Code shared.
  737. # [14:55] <wefo> Yes. Firefox.
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  739. # [14:55] <wefo> Well, if it doesn't work in Firefox but the others, it might as well not work.
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  749. # [15:00] <paulrouget> Same result with Chrome and Firefox
  750. # [15:00] <paulrouget> and I think it's to be expected
  751. # [15:00] <wefo> How so?
  752. # [15:01] <wefo> Photoshop doesn't make those stupid things.
  753. # [15:01] <wefo> Why should Canvas?
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  755. # [15:01] <wefo> Or HTML 5. Or JavaScript. Or Firefox. Or whatever the hell is doing it.
  756. # [15:01] <paulrouget> A font is made to be filled. How do you expand a small angle when you stroke the text?
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  758. # [15:01] <wefo> Intelligently, rather than dumbly+
  759. # [15:01] <wefo> *?
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  761. # [15:01] <wefo> You certainly don't shoot it out like the spikey hair of an emo goth punk scene vampire chick.
  762. # [15:02] <paulrouget> nope. It think you're just doing it wrong :)
  763. # [15:02] <paulrouget> fill it twice instead of stroking the text
  764. # [15:02] <wefo> ?
  765. # [15:02] <paulrouget> Wait…
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  778. # [15:07] <paulrouget> right, in this case, stroking will do exactly that: connect lines and form angles.
  779. # [15:07] <wefo> I'm confused.
  780. # [15:07] <paulrouget> so thick lines will create huge angles
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  783. # [15:08] <paulrouget> wefo: so shadow is the right way to do it
  784. # [15:09] <paulrouget> filling twice might be hard to achieve
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  791. # [15:12] <wefo> paulrouget: ?!
  792. # [15:12] <wefo> What are you talking about?
  793. # [15:13] <paulrouget> what is it you don't understand?
  794. # [15:19] <paulrouget> wefo: http://i.imgur.com/XWOSA4l.png <- the bottom left spike is the angle formed by the very little spike you see at the bottom of the "T". Same for all the crazy lines you see.
  795. # [15:20] <paulrouget> "stroke" doesn't inflate. "shadow" does. Like photoshop.
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  799. # [15:23] <wefo> paulrouget: What?
  800. # [15:23] <wefo> I'm trying to use stroke. Not shadows.
  801. # [15:23] <wefo> Shadows aren't the same as outline (stroke).
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  803. # [15:23] <wefo> Why are you talking about shadows?
  804. # [15:23] <paulrouget> what's wrong with shadow?
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  807. # [15:24] <wefo> It's a shadow?
  808. # [15:24] <wefo> And has nothing to do with outlining?
  809. # [15:24] <wefo> What are you talking about?
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  844. # [15:41] <paulrouget> wefo: hmm, I just checked, we can't do font inflation with a text shadow with canvas (not like CSS)
  845. # [15:41] <paulrouget> wefo: in this case, maybe you should use "ctx.lineJoin = "round";
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  849. # [15:42] <paulrouget> wefo: I guess this will use curves instead of angles
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  854. # [15:42] <wefo> I must check that.
  855. # [15:42] <wefo> Before going to bed.
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  858. # [15:42] <wefo> AKA now.
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  863. # [15:44] <wefo> Whoa.
  864. # [15:44] <wefo> That... works.
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  866. # [15:44] <wefo> That was unexpected like hell.
  867. # [15:44] <wefo> Thanks.
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  870. # [15:44] <wefo> And that other fucking paul makes it very annoying to address you with tab auto-complete.
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  873. # [15:44] <wefo> So I guess we do have outlines/strokes after all.
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  875. # [15:45] <paulrouget> paul_irish: heard that? You're annoying :)
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  881. # [15:47] <wefo> Coding for Canvas 2D is less of a technical thing, and more of magic, voodoo and hearsay.
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  885. # [15:47] <wefo> A little documentation here, a little there... somebody heard of this and that property...
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  887. # [15:47] <wefo> Wander around in cyberspace, hear various techniques...
  888. # [15:48] <wefo> Combine them to make something after 6 months of hard work.
  889. # [15:48] <wefo> Then watch the Flash developer make it in 5 minutes.
  890. # [15:48] <paulrouget> wefo: maybe it's you
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  892. # [15:48] <wefo> Maybe it's me?
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  894. # [15:48] <wefo> Explain quickly. Bedtime in seconds.
  895. # [15:49] <paulrouget> Maybe you should read the doc :)
  896. # [15:49] <paulrouget> wefo: there's was nothing magical in your issue. It was written in the documentation.
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  990. # [17:01] <Solar77> hey all do you know the reason of error here?
  991. # [17:01] <Solar77> http://www.hababam.biz/solar/Solar.html
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  1154. # [19:10] <patrickkettner> Solar77: not seeing an error - it is probably due to something in your browser.
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  1156. # [19:10] <Bray90820_> The most annoying thing about being a web developer is having to manually code your own back button
  1157. # [19:11] <Ansem> you should (almost) never have to do that
  1158. # [19:11] <Bray90820_> Well this thing is for a damn kiosk so yea
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  1160. # [19:11] <Ansem> ah, yeah, that sucks
  1161. # [19:12] <Ansem> are you using a framework?
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  1163. # [19:12] <Bray90820_> What is a framework
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  1165. # [19:12] <Ansem> Backbone, Angular, etc
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  1171. # [19:14] <Bray90820_> I have no idea
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  1173. # [19:16] <Bray90820_> Ansem: can you explain a bit more
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  1176. # [19:17] <Ansem> Bray90820_: Imagine instead of writing every bit of code yourself, you could just fill in a few details and have an application
  1177. # [19:18] <Ansem> A framework kind of does all the repetitive crap for you
  1178. # [19:18] <Bray90820_> You mean like an ide such as dreamweaver
  1179. # [19:18] <Bray90820_> ?
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  1181. # [19:18] <Ansem> No
  1182. # [19:19] <Ansem> So, you know jQuery, right?
  1183. # [19:19] <Bray90820_> yes
  1184. # [19:19] <Bray90820_> somewhat
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  1186. # [19:19] <Ansem> imagine if there was a jQuery for your application
  1187. # [19:19] <Ansem> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application_framework
  1188. # [19:19] <Bray90820_> well I can copy and past it so doing it over and over isn't an issue
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  1190. # [19:20] <Bray90820_> It's getting the layout correct which isn't fun
  1191. # [19:20] <Ansem> Bray, how long have you been coding?
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  1194. # [19:20] <Bray90820_> not that long
  1195. # [19:21] <Ansem> Right, so, we don't usually do layouts entirely by hand anymore (sometimes we do, but, not usually)
  1196. # [19:21] <Ansem> instead we often use tools like Bootstrap to help us
  1197. # [19:21] <Ansem> http://getbootstrap.com/
  1198. # [19:21] <Ansem> Instead of having to write a bunch of complicated code and figure out specific dimensions, we just use a little bit of code to tell it the layout
  1199. # [19:21] <Bray90820_> well i can copy and past but just deciding what it should look like is what i ment
  1200. # [19:22] <Ansem> right, you shouldn't ever copy and paste
  1201. # [19:22] <Ansem> if you need to copy and paste, you are doing something poorly
  1202. # [19:22] <Ansem> look into using bootstrap and angular.js or backbone
  1203. # [19:22] <Bray90820_> Well if i copy and past the code is all good and everything just takes a bit longer
  1204. # [19:23] <Bray90820_> right?
  1205. # [19:23] <Ansem> No
  1206. # [19:23] <Ansem> that's called 'Code duplication', and it's bad
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  1208. # [19:23] <Ansem> imagine you copy and pasted line of code 400 times
  1209. # [19:23] <Ansem> 1. You just made that 399 lines longer then it needs to be
  1210. # [19:23] <moo-_-> cool to see some newbie-friendly conversation here for a while :)
  1211. # [19:23] <Ansem> 2. If you need to make a change to that line of code, you now need to make that change 399 times
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  1213. # [19:23] <Bray90820_> Yea
  1214. # [19:24] <Ansem> what if instead of having to copy and paste all that code, you could just make it really convenient?
  1215. # [19:24] <Ansem> easier for you, better for speed, so on, right?
  1216. # [19:24] <Bray90820_> I was actually looking for a way to do that
  1217. # [19:24] <Ansem> bootstrap is kind of a way to do that for the frontend
  1218. # [19:24] <Ansem> and angular is kind of a way to do that for the backend
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  1220. # [19:24] <Bray90820_> bootstrap is mostly javascript
  1221. # [19:24] <Bray90820_> i know zero javascript
  1222. # [19:25] <Ansem> well, bootstrap actually has a lot of CSS and HTML
  1223. # [19:25] <moo-_-> Bray90820_: nowadays having good grasp of javascript is must from the front-end developer
  1224. # [19:25] <Ansem> and it does use some javascript, but it doesn't require you to type any
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  1226. # [19:25] <Bray90820_> hum
  1227. # [19:25] <Bray90820_> i will have a look
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  1230. # [19:25] <Bray90820_> Thanks
  1231. # [19:26] <Ansem> No problem
  1232. # [19:26] <Bray90820_> but that wasn't even my complaint
  1233. # [19:26] <Ansem> sure, sure
  1234. # [19:26] <Ansem> so, you're making this kiosk app, right?
  1235. # [19:26] <Bray90820_> i was just saying that getting something that looks nice is a pain in the ass if you need to code your own back buton
  1236. # [19:26] <Ansem> it's all html/css?
  1237. # [19:27] <Ansem> so, with bootstrap, you can do a backbutton that looks nice like this:
  1238. # [19:27] <Bray90820_> i ment relative to everything else
  1239. # [19:27] <Ansem> <button class="btn btn-default"><span class="glyphicon glyphicon-arrow-left"></span></button>
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  1242. # [19:28] <Ansem> so you mean in regards to position, layout?
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  1244. # [19:28] <Bray90820_> like if i move a div down 30px to add the back button then the dive on the other side doen't lineup so i need to move that down as well then there is to much white space on top
  1245. # [19:28] <Bray90820_> etc...
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  1248. # [19:29] <Ansem> right, so, like I was saying
  1249. # [19:29] <Ansem> things like bootstrap can do that for us to
  1250. # [19:29] <Ansem> instead of being worried about pixels, we can just use a grid to lay everything out
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  1253. # [19:30] <Bray90820_> actually it cant do hat it's not a problem with moving it up or down to much it's just that needing to move it is the issue
  1254. # [19:30] <Ansem> right, I think you really want a grid for this project of yours
  1255. # [19:30] <Ansem> it'll make your life so much easier
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  1260. # [19:31] <Ansem> http://getbootstrap.com/examples/grid/
  1261. # [19:31] <Bray90820_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33402675/Atrium/building%20conventional%20magnets.html
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  1265. # [19:31] <Bray90820_> in that page my thinking was to move the left nav down by 30 pixels to add teh back button but then it wouldn't add up anymore
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  1267. # [19:31] <Bray90820_> ith the right nav
  1268. # [19:32] <Bray90820_> with the right nav
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  1270. # [19:32] <Bray90820_> so i would need to move the right nav down but then there would be to much white space
  1271. # [19:32] <Bray90820_> things like that is what i am talking about
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  1274. # [19:33] <Ansem> right, so, here's what that would look like in a grid
  1275. # [19:33] <Ansem> https://gist.github.com/dark12222000/ba41b87eaa2020c9309e
  1276. # [19:34] <Ansem> same layout, but 100x easier
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  1278. # [19:34] <Ansem> if we want to add a back button, it's just another line
  1279. # [19:34] <Ansem> No need to do a bunch of CSS to determine the exact size
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  1281. # [19:35] <Bray90820_> im not determining the exact size
  1282. # [19:35] <Bray90820_> that's not my issue
  1283. # [19:35] <Bray90820_> it's with the layout
  1284. # [19:36] <Bray90820_> nothing with the coding
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  1286. # [19:36] <Ansem> Add a menu bar up top
  1287. # [19:36] <Ansem> float the back button to the left
  1288. # [19:36] <Bray90820_> i could but then there would still be white space to the right of it
  1289. # [19:37] <Ansem> are you coding this responsively, fluidly, or statically?
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  1291. # [19:37] <Bray90820_> UH...
  1292. # [19:37] <Bray90820_> wanna see my code?
  1293. # [19:37] <Ansem> why don't you post your CSS?
  1294. # [19:38] <Bray90820_> alright
  1295. # [19:38] <Bray90820_> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c9a42571e933dd39bb7f
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  1297. # [19:38] <Ansem> ok, so, see how you are specifying height and width in px?
  1298. # [19:39] <Bray90820_> yea
  1299. # [19:39] <Bray90820_> yes
  1300. # [19:39] <Ansem> that is *very* bad
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  1302. # [19:39] <Ansem> it means your app won't work well on a lot of screens, even if they are just a slightly different size
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  1304. # [19:39] <Ansem> instead, we want our website to work on screens of any size, right?
  1305. # [19:40] <Bray90820_> well this is meant for one specific screen
  1306. # [19:40] <Bray90820_> for a kiosk but i see your point
  1307. # [19:40] <Ansem> Sure, but what if they change that screen and keep the app?
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  1309. # [19:40] <Bray90820_> 1080p tv is what it is
  1310. # [19:40] <Ansem> so, instead of coding exactly each size
  1311. # [19:41] <Ansem> what if we could just specify how we want everything arranged, and let it figure out the size itself?
  1312. # [19:41] <Bray90820_> that is what bootstrap does right?
  1313. # [19:41] <Ansem> yes
  1314. # [19:41] <Bray90820_> so in some sense it's like an IDE
  1315. # [19:41] <Ansem> No
  1316. # [19:42] <Ansem> an IDE, or 'Integrated Development Environment', is just a program to edit files
  1317. # [19:42] <Ansem> it's usually designed to help programmers
  1318. # [19:42] <Ansem> but really, it's just a fancy text editor
  1319. # [19:42] <Bray90820_> And doesn't bootstrap help programs edit files
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  1321. # [19:42] <Ansem> No
  1322. # [19:43] <Ansem> Bootstrap is a library
  1323. # [19:43] <Ansem> it's a bit of code that gets included with your website/app
  1324. # [19:43] <Ansem> and it makes it easier to do your own app things
  1325. # [19:43] <Bray90820_> hum then i was wrong
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  1327. # [19:44] <Ansem> So, let's see if we can get you started, ok?
  1328. # [19:44] <Ansem> what program do you use to edit files right now?
  1329. # [19:44] <derryl> Sublime Text
  1330. # [19:44] <Bray90820_> Brackets
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  1333. # [19:44] <gde33> jsfiddle!
  1334. # [19:45] <Bray90820_> is bootstrap a twitter thing
  1335. # [19:45] <Ansem> Bray90820_: It's made by some of the people who made twitter, but it is not connected to it at all
  1336. # [19:45] <Bray90820_> ok
  1337. # [19:45] <Ansem> Ok Bray, why don't you give this a try for editing your files:
  1338. # [19:45] <Ansem> http://www.sublimetext.com/3
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  1340. # [19:46] <Bray90820_> Ansem: it's $70 and brackets is free
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  1342. # [19:46] <Ansem> Go ahead and download the demo for now
  1343. # [19:46] <gde33> notepad+ isn't bad either
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  1345. # [19:47] <Ansem> don't worry, the demo is free
  1346. # [19:47] <Bray90820_> gde33: i am on a mac
  1347. # [19:47] <Bray90820_> Ansem: but i would have to buy it after a while
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  1349. # [19:47] <Ansem> Bray90820_: Nope, you can keep on using it
  1350. # [19:47] <Ansem> you just get a nag screen
  1351. # [19:47] <Bray90820_> hum
  1352. # [19:47] <Bray90820_> alright
  1353. # [19:47] <Ansem> (though you should buy it if you can, it's a wonderful program and the creator spends a lot of time on it)
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  1355. # [19:48] <Bray90820_> yea
  1356. # [19:48] <gde33> wow text editors so expensive
  1357. # [19:49] <Bray90820_> why do you recommend it over brackets
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  1359. # [19:49] <mpaarating> because its not adobe
  1360. # [19:49] <Ansem> It's fast, powerful, has every feature you will ever need except git integration, and is the single best cross platform editor for almost anything
  1361. # [19:49] <gde33> but what are you coding?
  1362. # [19:50] <Ansem> mpaarating: That too
  1363. # [19:50] <mpaarating> there are a ton of amazing plugins for ST that speed up development like crazy
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  1366. # [19:50] <gde33> I think jsfiddle is very powerful for simple to semi complex things
  1367. # [19:50] <mpaarating> ;)
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  1371. # [19:50] <Bray90820_> gde33: html/css for a kiosk browser
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  1375. # [19:50] <Ansem> gde33: jsfiddle is great for what it was meant for - fiddling around with code. It isn't a real editor (nor was it meant to be)
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  1377. # [19:50] <Ansem> You might like cloud9 IDE though
  1378. # [19:50] <gde33> you can really edit things with it
  1379. # [19:51] <Bray90820_> Ansem: me?
  1380. # [19:51] <Ansem> Bray90820_: Sorry, that was aimed at gde33
  1381. # [19:51] * Bray90820_ says whatever
  1382. # [19:51] <derryl> Sublime Text is free
  1383. # [19:52] <derryl> you just get a msg that pops up every few days, which is easy to ignore
  1384. # [19:52] <Ansem> Bray90820_: Do you have sublime installed?
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  1388. # [19:52] <Bray90820_> I just installed it
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  1397. # [19:53] <Ansem> awesome, please go ahead and download bootstrap
  1398. # [19:54] <Bray90820_> I did
  1399. # [19:54] <Ansem> cool, go ahead and extract it
  1400. # [19:54] <Bray90820_> Now i just need to figure out how it works
  1401. # [19:54] <Ansem> go ahead and create a new file in that 'dist' folder
  1402. # [19:54] <Ansem> call it 'index.html'
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  1405. # [19:55] <Ansem> copy and paste this template into it after you open it via sublime text: http://getbootstrap.com/getting-started/#template
  1406. # [19:55] <Bray90820_> isn't index reserved for your home page
  1407. # [19:55] <Ansem> yes, it is
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  1409. # [19:56] <Bray90820_> then why would i call bootstrap index
  1410. # [19:56] <Ansem> we're going to very quickly recreate this page using bootstrap for you, since it's quicker then fixing your old code
  1411. # [19:56] <Ansem> and then you'll have a template you can use for the other pages
  1412. # [19:56] <Bray90820_> Alright
  1413. # [19:57] <Ansem> Let me know when you get that template copied in
  1414. # [19:57] <derryl> can you guys sideline this to 1v1 once you're up + running
  1415. # [19:57] <Bray90820_> your telling me to copy the template into a new file and call it index.html?
  1416. # [19:57] <Ansem> yes
  1417. # [19:58] <Ansem> and then please pm me when you are done
  1418. # [19:58] <Ansem> derryl: Sorry about that
  1419. # [19:58] <derryl> s'all good, just sayin
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  1423. # [20:02] <Bray90820_> Ansem: Done and i just sent you a pm
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  1596. # [22:06] <Vloz__> Hi everyones
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  1600. # [22:10] <Vloz__> On some Google website, we can browse the pages without refreshing the whole pages (ie. youtube, play music) does anyones know how they do that? They are simply changing the url/ handling the previous&next buttons / load the new content with javascript? There is no specific html 5 tools for that?
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  1605. # [22:14] <viralfrost> Vloz__ - probably ajax
  1606. # [22:15] <Vloz__> Ok but nothing specific to use on the html side specially designed for this?
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  1608. # [22:16] <viralfrost> no, you need to use javascript to make a call using ajax to a code-behind in php or some other language
  1609. # [22:17] <Vloz__> Ok, thx viralfrost :)
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  1749. # [23:28] <paul_irish> paulrouget: SORRY!!!!!
  1750. # [23:28] <paul_irish> sorry wefo.
  1751. # [23:29] <paul_irish> better IRC clients nick complete with recency in mind.
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